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  1. #1 Need someone to create my magnet powered generators. 
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    Anyone interested in working on these with me? I'm looking to mass produce them and sell them.

    I have nothing but time and will provide whatever is needed.

    I am not a scientist, that's why I'm here. Good opportunity for someone with the time to kill.

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    What are they?


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    Magnet powered motors. Unlimited free energy. The idea is to create one the size of a household air conditioning unit (abut 3x3x3ft) and install them at peoples homes. Unlimited energy for life.
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    You realise unlimited free energy using magnets goes against the laws of physics, right?
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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    Thats what some are saying, but people are already creating models that work. I just need to make a large version of it.

    magnet motor FREE POWER PERENDEV NO GASOLINE - YouTube
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    By "some people" you mean any respectable scientist. On this forum you will only get one thing and that is people telling you that no manipulation of magnets can generate more energy than you put into the system. That is a proven scientific law and any refutation is pseudoscience, or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    By "some people" you mean any respectable scientist. On this forum you will only get one thing and that is people telling you that no manipulation of magnets can generate more energy than you put into the system. That is a proven scientific law and any refutation is pseudoscience, or worse.
    What about maintaining the energy that was put into it?
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    Sorry Resendiz, but by definition, this is Pseudoscience and if you make and sell these, you will be committing fraud.

    Question: IF you make these and they don't work, will you refrain from trying to peddle them?

    In any case, I am moving this to Pseudo. Word of advice: don't post your email address in the open like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resendiz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    By "some people" you mean any respectable scientist. On this forum you will only get one thing and that is people telling you that no manipulation of magnets can generate more energy than you put into the system. That is a proven scientific law and any refutation is pseudoscience, or worse.
    What about maintaining the energy that was put into it?
    Sure, you could do that, no problem. The problem is that you cannot use that energy to power anything because you would then be taking the energy out of the system. Once again you will need to put the energy in for you to take it out.

    There have been engines build by using huge, heavy cylinders that are first spun to a very high rotation and then using that energy to power, say, a car. But once the energy runs out, you will have to spin the weight up again.
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    "maintaining" energy requires work of some kind. Work of whatever kind requires energy. So your proposal fails as do all such schemes.

    There is no way to maintain a supply of energy if the maintenance in itself requires any amount of energy no matter how small. It will use, extract or diminish some of the energy that would otherwise be output. Unless you're proposing that this energy be augmented in some way by a renewable source such as solar or wind, the process must fail.

    This goes to Pseudo until and unless there's a description of how this process can be shown to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resendiz View Post
    Thats what some are saying,
    It's called the "Second Law of Thermodynamics", and is one of the fundamental laws of nature.
    You are wasting your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Resendiz View Post
    Thats what some are saying,
    It's called the "Second Law of Thermodynamics", and is one of the fundamental laws of nature.
    You are wasting your time.
    Let's give a useful example. Imagine I'd put your engine in a space where for some reason all friction could be neglected. Then yes, It would spin indefinitely.
    However to do useful work with it, I'd need some means to withdraw this energy from the system. So I'd need to introduce friction. This takes out the energy and makes the system stop.

    A perpetual mobile doesn't exist.
    In the information age ignorance is a choice.
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    I may be a student, but I'm capable of PhD-level work when it comes to physics. I would be happy to run over a few ideas with you, as magnet powered generators are something that I think about all of the time! The main question that I have for you is... would you be willing to build a few models or run a few tests? I can analyze the data and build from that. If anything comes from our work I would expect 50/50 credit ;P

    The one flaw that I can say by reading the other posts id that you're looking for perpetual motion, which is impossible because of friction and other external forces. Magnetism is also something that I may need to revise when given your theories.

    However, unlike the others I want to work AROUND that and fix your theories. You may not be able to make an UNLIMITED source, but we can definitely figure out a way to make an alternative and eco-friendly power source that will last for a longer duration.

    Don't people realize that science isn't about figuring out what ISN'T possible, but figuring out what IS? You can't make progress by simply restating what we already know
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    Quote Originally Posted by LucasRuault View Post
    I may be a student, but I'm capable of PhD-level work when it comes to physics.
    Sure you are.
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    I may be a student, but I'm capable of PhD-level work when it comes to physics
    High School student?
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by LucasRuault View Post
    Don't people realize that science isn't about figuring out what ISN'T possible, but figuring out what IS? You can't make progress by simply restating what we already know
    No. Science is about devising a model that accurately describes how the universe works.

    If someone comes along making a claim that is in direct contradiction with what we already know about how the universe works, it is our duty to point this out.

    Science is all about building upon the previous work of others - "standing on the shoulders of giants" as Newton put it. You cannot do good science if you completely ignore what we already know.

    When proposing a theory that doesn't restate what we already know, that theory will be subjected to the rigours of peer-review, where people who actually understand what we already know will pull the proposed theory apart, looking for flaws. If nobody can find any flaws, the theory lives on to fight another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucasRuault View Post
    I may be a student, but I'm capable of PhD-level work when it comes to physics.
    I'm hoping you're a PhD student...

    Personally, I'm just glad someone finally broke down the laws of physics and showed us to them for what they are; rubbish. See, magnets didn't exist when Einstein was working on his theories. How could he have known?
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