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    So I typed in "protons don’t exist" in google and up came this science forum.
    I guess some people are tweaking to the fact that particle physics (the existence of protons, neutrons and electron) is utter fabrication.
    Anyone who still considers this format the atomic structure of the Nucleus factual, is still being duped by academia in their promoting imaginary particles to explain Tesla’s electricity.
    My evidence for “Field Science” verses “Particle Science”. (the short version)
    I live in NSW, Australia in the Bush.
    My friend, who is a gifted inventor, has made about 50 devices in the last 20 years to totally dispel any existence of ‘particles’ in ‘matter’. (that’s protons, neutrons and electrons). I am affiliated with this man.
    This is only for those with open minds.
    Prototype #50? “The magnetic inline cell”.
    Take one 2 inch OD by 2 foot long water pipe.
    Add 4 donut (speaker) ferrite magnets and 2 mild steel washers. Given there are 8 poles on a magnet and a washer needs to be placed in between 2 magnets and attached to the pipe, there are over 32 ways to assemble this configuration. Then there are ratios to consider but this is the IP. Several of the configurations give totally opposite results. Most don’t give any.
    The experiment to end all debate about the structure of matter. This can be repeated to interested parties for a fee. (refundable if we cant do what we say but of the dozens of demos so far, to scientists and politicians and mining chemists we haven’t had any refunds on the contrary they cant believe what they see and want it repeated again.)
    When correctly assembled the pipe with 4 magnets and 2 washes can have hose tail fittings so water (or air) can be pumped through it.
    If ‘straight from the ocean’ water is pumped through the pipe, out the other end comes fresh, pure tasteless, saltless drinking water. If raw sewerage is pumped through the pipe (straight from the septic tank) out the other end comes fresh, pure tasteless, odourless drinking water. (it must again be stated there are no filters or attachments to this pipe.) Its also possible to reverse the alignment of the magnets and pump fresh clean mountain river like water into the pipe and out the other end comes what would best be described as “Saudi light Crude” and if left to dry out for a few days it becomes black coal. (google ‘abiotic oil’)
    Yes you can see this done. We charge a demonstration fee. No its not patented. Yes it has been demonstrated to the experts and the water and oil and coal sent away for testing. This is but a tip of the iceberg. Tesla ‘invented electricity’ (well AC anyway). He didn’t bounce or send electrons through the atmosphere to light up bulbs miles away. Electricity, as you know it today, is magnetic energy carried along wires. My associate has found a way for magnets to do the work without wires.
    To understand how to turn water into oil or coal and the reverse, oil into water, salt into water you need A NEW CONCEPT OF THE ATOMIC STRUCTURE OF MATTER. J.P. Morgan and Westinghouse have taken Teslas science and replaced it with “slavery science” where ‘they’ meter and monitor your every move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    This can be repeated to interested parties for a fee.
    I think I'll stick with peer-reviewed science rather than a money-making scam. But thanks for the offer.


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    Water into oil, oil into water, salt into water, water into wine... wine into sake...
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    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    well Strange the University of Queensland could NOT write the report from the day long demonstration on the premises of the Uni in Brisbane in front of 3 professors and 2 Head scientists from Santos and the Minister of Mines for the Qld Govt. Why? Because it would jeopardize their position and contradict all they knew. So what did they do? They asked for the day long demo to be repeated so they could get a better understanding of what they had seen.

    All we got was the test reports... which in themselves are quite interesting.

    if you wish, you can stake your reputation and write a science report and we'll do the demo for free. (you can be invited to the next demo undertaken late Oct) We just need you to have some letters after your name and what publication your planning to publish it in...


    AlexG the apparatus for turning water into wine is an interesting antenna array of 8 stainless steel 'plates' placed into a 'precharged' vessel of your favorite brew. This one will cost you for a demo but I will place in trust double the amount you put up if we dont succeed. Winner takes all. (this is better than casino odds) We call the process 'chemical emulation' and it makes most if not all other chemical process obsolete.

    Again, the whole concept of particle science and the structure of matter needs upwising.
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    Lots of wackos seem to be associated with the University of Queensland.

    I think it's because they are all standing upsidedown and the blood rushes to their heads.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    Lots of wackos seem to be associated with the University of Queensland.

    I think it's because they are all standing upsidedown and the blood rushes to their heads.
    I think you missed the line..

    "This is only for those with open minds."

    Could we have some constructive debate here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
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    Lots of wackos seem to be associated with the University of Queensland.

    I think it's because they are all standing upsidedown and the blood rushes to their heads.
    I think you missed the line..

    "This is only for those with open minds."

    Could we have some constructive debate here...
    "Water into wine" is an extraordinary claim, and thus demands extraordinary evidence. There are open minds, and there are Gruyere brains. Don't confuse the two.

    There's nothing to debate.
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    Well we havent actually done the wine demo... but we have done water into Kerosene, tea tree oil, 'crude' oil and coal to mention a few. The 'hydro carbons' are the easiest as 'carbon' is the 'simplest' or Element One of the new "Periodic Table of Stablised Magnetic Resonant Field Patterns"

    If we take Tesla's explanation that everything is energy, frequency and vibration, then it follows that to change the frequency of vibration of energy, one gets a new parcel of 'matter'.

    This is in essence what we are doing. Using magnetic pulses of energy (electricity) and applying it to a antenna array which reformats the water the array is immersed in, in harmony with the resonant field frequency of the precharged vessel.

    The process can be improved by removing the magnetic pulses of 50 to 60 cycles per second and creating a global field pattern using just magnets giving a dynamic aspect to the water or fluid rather than a static or vessel charge. But each process has its benefits and limitations.
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    So you've done that, but there's no record of your having done it, and there's nobody who's willing to say you've done it, but you'll be happy to show us if we pay you to do so.

    Is this a scam or a clever troll?
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Well we havent actually done the wine demo... but we have done water into Kerosene, tea tree oil, 'crude' oil and coal to mention a few. The 'hydro carbons' are the easiest as 'carbon' is the 'simplest' or Element One of the new "Periodic Table of Stablised Magnetic Resonant Field Patterns"

    If we take Tesla's explanation that everything is energy, frequency and vibration, then it follows that to change the frequency of vibration of energy, one gets a new parcel of 'matter'.

    This is in essence what we are doing. Using magnetic pulses of energy (electricity) and applying it to a antenna array which reformats the water the array is immersed in, in harmony with the resonant field frequency of the precharged vessel.

    The process can be improved by removing the magnetic pulses of 50 to 60 cycles per second and creating a global field pattern using just magnets giving a dynamic aspect to the water or fluid rather than a static or vessel charge. But each process has its benefits and limitations.
    Sure. Of course. It's intuitively obvious.

    Good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post

    "Water into wine" is an extraordinary claim, and thus demands extraordinary evidence. There are open minds, and there are Gruyere brains. Don't confuse the two.

    There's nothing to debate.
    If you really think about this.... the entire world exists to dispute this claim of NO protons, neutrons or electrons and thus the ability to manipulate matter. So the only extraordinary evidence that can be presented is "live" or eye witness accounts. We have demonstrated to literally hundreds of people the above processes and more than a dozen were from Universities. Most eye witnesses have a uni degree of some sort.
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    Clearly to patent would see the IP commandeered by the Gov't. It cannot be reversed engineered so there's no need to risk it. It totally refutes the 'carbon credits' global warming scams and associated tax revenue.

    It cannot be reversed engineered as there are more than 2 poles on a magnet, everything is magnetic, and if you dont line the poles up you cant figure it out.

    AND

    the health and state of mind effects the apparatus and if 'precautions' arent taken and the observers energy field re-aligned for the demo it also fails to work (properly) This realignment process is as simple as waving ones 'wet' hands over one's head.

    Which gives rise to "mind over matter" subjects. Its possible to disrupt the field generation devices by the power of thought. This is harder to demonstrate and we generally dont mention it.

    What I am espousing here is the physics of all that is. This is the bridge between science and religion. Its how life is created even.

    Last year a couple scientists wrote a paper on "DNA teleportation", An experiment I did back in 1999 was to "cross germinate" seeds sprouting in close proximity of each other and they sharing DNA in the process in the presence of a "field generation" device. Exactly what the guys wrote a scientific paper on last year. Funny they didnt answer my emails. The field generation device is made from pure platinum and gold.

    Nothing to debate eh?
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    I've let the proverbial cat out of the bag.

    I am off for a few days so there's time to give open minds a chance to construct intelligent questions.

    As Arnie said..... "I'll be Bach"

    you can be "Beethoven".

    rest assured Ive 16 years experience with this science, I can change the way science, biology, physics and chemistry is taught and with a different view for astronomy (similar to the electric sun and electric universe theories)

    It was only a couple months ago I read some of the works of Walter Russel and he's pretty much on the mark. The difference here is... Ours isn't Theory. We have the experiments to back it up. The devices to do the experiments all exist and are operational.

    SO please, no negativity, lets be positive about what you can learn finally. And you to, can be 100 years ahead of everyone else.

    Oh and intuition is part of the 'senses' and what was once common is now called 6th. Unfortunately, it can lost as well. But its part of the biological energies course. First one has to understand 2 things.

    1. There are no protons, neutrons or electrons.
    2. You have been fed falsehoods your whole life and like an Alcoholic, the cure is only found after admitting your one.
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    grrr comp problems with page updating...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    So you've done that, but there's no record of your having done it, and there's nobody who's willing to say you've done it, but you'll be happy to show us if we pay you to do so.

    Is this a scam or a clever troll?
    In a private discourse I can give you a professor of the Perth Universities email address who witnessed some of the above described demonstrations. I'd have to ask permission first of any others.

    There's lots of records. We have shelves full of results, 100's of hours of videos and many who will testify... We are however, reluctant to publish for the aforementioned reasons.

    Seeing is believing... you expect less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    SO please, no negativity, lets be positive about what you can learn finally. And you to, can be 100 years ahead of everyone else..
    Yawn.
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    Crank troll.
    Its the way nature is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Nothing to debate eh?
    We could debate whether or not you actually believe this insanity, but personally I think that would be boring. Here are some of the problems with your posts so far:

    1. Mentioning Tesla is in this sort of context is nearly always associated with gross examples of pseudoscience and self-delusion.
    2. You exhibit paranoia about the government suppressing your concept if patented.
    3. Claims that the "attitude of the audience" can effect the outcome of a physical experiment are typically associated with the worst kinds of quackery.
    4. You speak of hundreds of hours of videos. Do you have no idea how science is done!
    5. I could go on and on and on, but I suspect you will take care of that for me.
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    The experiment to end all debate about the structure of matter. This can be repeated to interested parties for a fee.
    Ha, ha ! You crackpots are hilarious

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    rest assured Ive 16 years experience with this science,
    So you have wasted 16 years of your life ? Sad, really.
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    It is hard to imagine what motivates people like this. Deluded? Jokers? Scammers?

    What is implausible about people with access to free energy scams is that the only way they can think of to make money is by selling the idea to other people. Of course, if the idea worked they would keep quiet about it and become unbelievably wealthy.

    The idea that someone who could be earning billions of dollars a year would waste their time trolling Internet forums is just bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Clearly to patent would see the IP commandeered by the Gov't.
    That is a somewhat bizarre claim as well. The whole point of a patent is that you have publish the details of the invention in sufficient detail to allow anyone to reproduce it. How making it public can lead to it being "commandeered by the Gov't" is beyond me.
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    My point #2 in post #17, but then it occured to me that elpres thinks that when he submits the invention details to the patent office then the men in white coats or black suits come round and take you into government care.
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    I think it's because they are all standing upsidedown and the blood rushes to their heads.
    OI! not all us antipodeans are woowoos.



    oh, and why don't people leave poor old Tesla out of these schemes? the poor sod is dead let his memory live on in the real science and engineering he did not this rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My point #2 in post #17, but then it occured to me that elpres thinks that when he submits the invention details to the patent office then the men in white coats or black suits come round and take you into government care.
    Ah. Of course. So that is why the patent system is administered by The Government (acting on behalf of the Masons and their Alien Overlords, presumably).
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    That is correct. Since I do consultancy work for the Illuminati you are safe enough mentioning that here. I have to dash off now as I'm due to be beamed up shortly for my annual rectal probe. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    We are however, reluctant to publish for the aforementioned reasons.
    What are you doing here then? And what "aforementioned reasons"?
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    If only we listened! We'd have Tesla Coil powered Starships by now.

    John is right.. mention of Telsa is an all to reliable indicator that crackpot claims will follow.
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    It doesn't even matter if its true or not. We can take that out of the debate entirely. If this is NOT true you are trying to dupe others, but if it IS true then you are a horrible human being because you have the power to provide energy (oil, kerosene) for the entire world. You could provide food and drink to the entire world. But no, that's not your bag. You don't want to help people, you just want to get rich and famous. Either way, we are not interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaL View Post
    You don't want to help people, you just want to get rich and famous. Either way, we are not interested.
    He doesn't even want to do that (otherwise he would be rich and famous by now).
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    Fair point!
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    Not trying to defend our friend from Australia, but it is true we can now build atoms and molecules from the ground up. Nano technology actually has been used for a long time, even as we didn't know how it worked. We are now beginning to understand the physics involved.

    But to create oil from water (even if it could be done), why on earth would we want to create yet more pollution? Oil is a dirty technology. Stop thinking oil or coal for that matter. Lets just try to figure out how to convert hydrogen (the most abundant and clean element) itself into energy. Then we will really have something.
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    Well said. Sadly our friend disagrees with you and claims there is no such thing as atoms to begin with.
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    now build atoms and molecules from the ground up
    molecules yes, atoms though? hmmmm how are fusion reactors going?
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    Building atoms is perhaps too ambitious a turn of phrase, but we have certainly begun the journey. We can--at great expense--modify certain atoms to become a different kind of atom (e.x. mercury --> gold via neutron capture). But the cost is too great to be of any practical use at the moment, though it is certainly good science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaL View Post
    Building atoms is perhaps too ambitious a turn of phrase, but we have certainly begun the journey. We can--at great expense--modify certain atoms to become a different kind of atom (e.x. mercury --> gold via neutron capture). But the cost is too great to be of any practical use at the moment, though it is certainly good science.
    As I understand it, we have recently created an "element" which does not occur in nature (at least not on earth). It is a synthetic element, but fits very well into the table of elements.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununseptium
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    As I understand it, we have recently created an "element" which does not occur in nature. It is a synthetic element, but fits very well into the table of elements.
    We have been creating 'new' elements for over half a century. All elements beyond Californium (Atomic Number 98) are synthetic. At present we have synthesised up to atomic number 118, or thereabouts. Wikipedia should shed some light if you wish details for the current situation.
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    You're referring to synthetic elements. These are pretty cool, but don't help us build the natural elements. There is one exception I can think of, which is Americium. It is not synthetic in the usual sense because it does occur on earth, just in very small amounts. It is produced synthetically via bombardment and used in smoke detectors and a few other industrial uses. But at the moment all these things we're creating are radioactive (including Americium).
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    As I understand it, we have recently created an "element" which does not occur in nature. It is a synthetic element, but fits very well into the table of elements.
    We have been creating 'new' elements for over half a century. All elements beyond Californium (Atomic Number 98) are synthetic. At present we have synthesised up to atomic number 118, or thereabouts. Wikipedia should shed some light if you wish details for the current situation.
    Yes I read wiki on that and is what I was referring to in general. The point was that we are beginning (relatively speaking) to understand atomic structures and their properties, which may allow us to create energy, without the use of "burning" oil and coal. That is a left over from when we lived in caves....
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    While I agree that our understanding of atomic structure is continually improving, I think it was already pretty good fifty years ago, else Hoyle, Burbridge, Burbridge and Fowler could not have produced their classic paper, B2FH on stellar synthesis. I don't think this understanding will do much for us gaining inexpensive or non-polluting energy. To fuse anything of higher atomic number than iron requires the input of energy. Only by fusing lighter elements can we get a net energy output.
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    Sad but true. We will better off perfecting alternate energy harnessing techniques (wind power, solar power, what-have-you).
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    Despite the fancy names for theories and the continual debate to understand the atomic structure of matter, and even the dumping of my experiments in the psueudal pile, it doesnt change the facts.

    I have a pipe with 4 donut magnets and 2 mild steel washers that can pass raw sewerage through it and out the other end comes pure fresh drinking water.

    so for all those skeptics who feel they must hang on to their theories I will repeat this....

    take one 2 inch ID iron pipe, take 4 donut magnets and 2 mild steel washers, assemble "correctly"

    pump ocean water from any ocean in the world in one end and out the other end comes pure fresh drinking water. WITH NO SALT.

    This simple invention makes obsolete an entire nuclear powered desalination plant.

    It also make a mockery of all your atomic theories including the existence of protons, neutrons and electrons.

    You can view this for free on the 11th Nov 2012 one hours drive from the Gold Coast Queensland Australia. (conditions apply as this is a private demonstration and numbers are strictly limited, govt employees excluded)

    So, if you want to understand the science that everything is energy, frequency and vibrations NOT particles, you have the chance.

    I am not a troll or a shill or anything of the sort. I can do what I say. The readers I have encountered so far on this forum, are nothing but very good parrots.


    there are 2 types of "scientists"
    type one... those who do the experiments and write papers or exhibit their work.
    type two... those who study type one's papers and experiments.


    I am type one...


    so far this forum has only shown me everyone here are all type two.


    A scientist does not reject an experiment but seeks to verify it.... dumping my writings in pseudo pile is neither scientific nor courteous.

    My only condition is you have to travel to study.... but the golden rule is... he with the gold makes the rules.
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    dumping my writings in pseudo pile is neither scientific nor courteous.
    They should have gone straight to the trash.

    Stop trying to hijack this thread.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Despite the fancy names for theories and the continual debate to understand the atomic structure of matter, and even the dumping of my experiments in the psueudal pile, it doesnt change the facts.

    I have a pipe with 4 donut magnets and 2 mild steel washers that can pass raw sewerage through it and out the other end comes pure fresh drinking water.
    Simply put, you are a liar if you are claiming that you have done this yourself. That is a scientific judgment, plain and simple.

    Shame on you.
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    This simple invention makes obsolete an entire nuclear powered desalination plant.
    Nuclear powered desalination plant ? Jesus. Where do you live ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Despite the fancy names for theories and the continual debate to understand the atomic structure of matter, and even the dumping of my experiments in the psueudal pile, it doesnt change the facts.
    You cannot change the facts: you are clearly either delusional, a liar or a crook.

    You can view this for free on the 11th Nov 2012 one hours drive from the Gold Coast Queensland Australia. (conditions apply as this is a private demonstration and numbers are strictly limited, govt employees excluded)
    Will you have any members of the press there? Because if this were true it would, of course, make worldwide headlines. I'll wait to read about it from a credible source not some random anonymous guy on the Internet.

    I am not a troll or a shill or anything of the sort. I can do what I say.
    If you can do that why are pretending to be a crank on an Internet forum instead of relaxing at one of your dozens of luxury homes around the world, while planning your manned Mars mission and signing cheques for billions of dollars to various charities?
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    Let's give them the benefit of doubt and say "delusional". :P
    "The only appropriate attitude for man to have about the big questions is... doubt. Doubt is humble, and that's what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting sh*t dead wrong."

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    Let's give them the benefit of doubt and say "delusional". :P
    One can be both delusional and a liar, after all. I am not as generous when the claimant says that he has already done these things. To me, that pushes it across the line into the "pants on fire" category.

    This guy seems outright dishonest, IMNHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My point #2 in post #17, but then it occured to me that elpres thinks that when he submits the invention details to the patent office then the men in white coats or black suits come round and take you into government care.

    So back in 2001 in Cairns, this scientist type put together 4 such devices. On the morning of the Friday before Xmass he rang the local TV station, and spoke to someone and told them to send out a camera crew. At 2 pm the manager of the TV station rang back and said they had to send an 'expert' around to verify his claims before the Station could send a camera crew out. The expense and all, over such claims. On Xmass day, his kids wondered where their father was and drove the 10 miles to his farm. All they found was new padlocks and 'do not cross' tape everywhere. 3 months later they found their father, in a vegetative state in Rockhampton hospital.

    To day we only exhibit to those who are vetted. Do you want to be vetted?

    there is no one of substance here

    No one is asking any questions, all that is offered is nonsensical disbelief at best and BS at worst.

    Inquiring minds dont spew forth BS.

    but remember you heard it here first.


    Oh for those who have actually invented things... Patents only give you the right to hire Lawyers and sue. Atlas shrugged off the office of Give It Away...

    to take one of these inventions and make a car muffler out of it (like we did) could see you putting a hose from the tail pipe into the car so you will get healthier as you drive down the road. Or attached to the aircon in a hospital so patients got out sooner.

    Kinda makes a mockery of carbon credits and global warming.


    but I feel privileged you see fit to discredit me... I must be onto something big, that stooges have to bury me too
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    Let's give them the benefit of doubt and say "delusional". :P
    One can be both delusional and a liar, after all. I am not as generous when the claimant says that he has already done these things. To me, that pushes it across the line into the "pants on fire" category.

    This guy seems outright dishonest, IMNHO.

    not only have I done these things I am offering to show you for free..

    better yet... I'll give you odds of 100 to one i can repeat it. put your money where your mouth is please.

    I'll go from charging you a fee to view it to paying you to view it, if I dont turn YOUR salt water in to fresh water before your very eyes in a device made of just a pipe, 4 magnets and 2 washers. (but you gotta pay me if I do)

    Quite frankly, Im wasting my time here.

    I have demonstrated this to Canberra politicians who voted gillard and her carbon scam into power , only to be told "we dont want to know"

    Go figure (actually you can figure it out because the same mentality of stupidity is evident even here)
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    What is you purpose in promoting this?

    Is it to make money? No, it can't be because if it worked you would be one of the richest people on Earth.

    Is it to present a world-changing technology to the world? No, it can't be because you would publish all the details on a web site so that anyone could make use of it?

    Is it to scam some money out of gullible fools? (Is that part of your "vetting" process? How much money they have.) Highly likely.

    Is it to satisfy your ego by pretending to have some great secret? Quite possible.

    Do the voices tell you to do it? Maybe.

    Is it just trolling to provoke a reaction? Also plausible.

    So, what is your motivation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My point #2 in post #17, but then it occured to me that elpres thinks that when he submits the invention details to the patent office then the men in white coats or black suits come round and take you into government care.
    Originally Posted by elpres
    Clearly to patent would see the IP commandeered by the Gov't.


    That is a somewhat bizarre claim as well. The whole point of a patent is that you have publish the details of the invention in sufficient detail to allow anyone to reproduce it. How making it public can lead to it being "commandeered by the Gov't" is beyond me.





    So we need lessons on Law too?

    Each year, 6000 patents are confiscated by the United States government. The following article describes how this atrocity developed.
    PROTECTING THE PRIVATE INVENTOR UNDER THE PEACETIME PROVISIONS OF THE INVENTION SECRECY ACT
    by Sabing H. Lee
    Obtained with permission from the Berkeley Technology Law Journal:
    PROTECTING THE PRIVATE INVENTOR UNDER THE
    TABLE OF CONTENTS
    I. INTRODUCTION
    II. THE LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF INVENTION SECRECY
    A. The First Invention Secrecy Act
    B. Invention Secrecy During World War II
    C. The Creation of Peacetime Invention Secrecy
    D. Evaluation of Peacetime Invention Secrecy as Legislative Policy
    III. THE MECHANICS OF INVENTION SECRECY
    A. Procedure for Issuing a Secrecy Order
    B. The Effect of a Secrecy Order
    C. Inventors' Rights and Remedies Under the Act
    D. Fairness Analysis
    IV. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS
    A. Constitutional Authority for Invention Secrecy
    B. First Amendment Analysis
    C. Fifth Amendment Analysis
    V. CONCLUSION
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    Given they kill brown people over oil....

    doing what the earth does, and being described as "abiotic" is not only feasible but practical too.

    my water into oil and coal and anything else liquid is clearly not in the interests of national security and would upset the oil barons no end with such an inexpensive IP.
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    What is your purpose in posting here?

    What do you hope to achieve?
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    this is a science forum.

    I am a self taught scientist.

    most, if not all major discoveries were done by people without "qualifications" and working outside their field of endeavours.

    my purpose is the same as yours...

    exchanging ideas to interested parties for the purpose of enlightening debate.

    clearly a concept that forum moderators have overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    Each year, 6000 patents are confiscated by the United States government.
    So don't file in the US first (it is generally easier and cheaper to file in your own country first anyway).

    Also, do you have a source for that number? (It sounds way too large to me.) And given the large numbers of patents filed every year, that is a tiny percentage.

    p.s. thanks for reminding me why I had private messaging disabled until recently.
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    tmy purpose is the same as yours...

    exchanging ideas to interested parties for the purpose of enlightening debate.
    So why not publish the full and exact details of your system? That way you can stop the Evil Government getting control of it and stop Big Oil patenting it.
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    this is but the tip of the iceberg

    I could give you the mathematical formulas for the new "Periodic Table of the Stablised Magnetic Resonant Field Patterns" of which Carbon is Pattern ONE ('element 1') remove all the energy and what do you have? 'carbon'

    whats the easiest 'element' to transmute? carbon into diamond and petrified rock ! Just add energy in the form of heat and pressure.

    but I am willing to hear how you make trees into rock with the present atomic structure of particles and bonds, valencies, electron shells, ions, isoDOPES, hell where does quarks fit in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Each year, 6000 patents are confiscated by the United States government.
    So don't file in the US first (it is generally easier and cheaper to file in your own country first anyway).

    Also, do you have a source for that number? (It sounds way too large to me.) And given the large numbers of patents filed every year, that is a tiny percentage.

    p.s. thanks for reminding me why I had private messaging disabled until recently.

    in OZ we have the commonwealth secrecy thingie

    i keep a low profile and im still breathing
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    if you were one of the 6000 who were threatened with jail for continuing to publish or manufacture after the secrecy order was given... YOU wouldnt be saying is a small or TINY deal.


    follow the embedded links
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    i keep a low profile and im still breathing
    Posting on a public forum is not "keeping a low profile". It is making yourself visible to anyone who wants to find you.

    Now, why not publish the full and exact details of your system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    I am a self taught scientist.
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    That could explain a great deal.

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    most, if not all major discoveries were done by people without "qualifications" and working outside their field of endeavours.
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    Unmitigated bollocks.
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    you disable messages because everything is beyond you IMHO without a link.

    try researching the 'electric sun' or electric universe theory,. these guys have it close to right on a macro scale.... on a micro subatomic scale a parcel of 'matter' the size of an atom of hydrogen would look like....

    ever been to a science fair where they have them plasma balls about a foot in diameter where you place your hand on the ball and 'lightning' strikes attract to your hand? well for a graphic visual representation of a parcel of 'matter' about the size of an atom there is approx 1.4 million "lightning" strikes make a kinda kaleidoscope pattern for each "element"

    thats why sliver, lead and zinc are found in the same ore body, their "Magnetic reasonant field patterns" differ only at the extremities of their "lightning strike patterns". Infinitely small parcels of energy are reasleased in "decay" and picked up as "radio" activity.

    one day these govt types back in 1995 from some where in OZ pulled up with a drum of "radio" active waste in a 44 gallon drum. it was wheeled into the workshjop and they were dressed in the most elaborate protective clothing. they were told even before they opened the drum that there was no more "radio" activity. where upon they got their 'radio' meters out and sure enopugh, no 'radio' activity.

    who said (words to the effect) "magic is only a level of technology one doesnt understand"

    what is radio? what did tesla broadcast to light bulbs without wires?

    Oh I forgot, thats a hoax. Not un similar to the "ghost images" of crop circles in the following years crops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    i keep a low profile and im still breathing
    Posting on a public forum is not "keeping a low profile". It is making yourself visible to anyone who wants to find you.

    Now, why not publish the full and exact details of your system?


    find me
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    if you were one of the 6000 who were threatened with jail for continuing to publish or manufacture after the secrecy order was given...
    How many of the 6,000 (*) inventors were threatened? Why did they continue to publish? I assume (and this is supported by the document you referenced) that the overwhelming majority of cases are patents filed by Government agencies or companies working under contract to the Government.

    By the way, I have worked in patent and IP protection for over a decade and have never had to worry about this. That was quite an interesting article. So thanks for that.

    (*) The 6,000 number was a bit of a peace-time peak. The average seems to be 5000 or less.
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    I am not The Government that you are so scared of. (And I can't be bothered to hire a private detective or hack the forums database.)

    Now, why not publish the full and exact details of your system? Could it be because you are lying?
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    I am not The Government that you are so scared of. (And I can't be bothered to hire a private detective or hack the forums database.)

    Now, why not publish the full and exact details of your system? Could it be because you are lying?
    Its not my system.

    and dont be so presumptuous....

    you go to university to learn a system that is fundamentally flawed at best and totally wrong at worst and pay 100,000's $$ for the privilege and you want me to give you the truth for free?

    all in good time grasshopper. unless you care to contribute to the hat. or better still after the demo, you may wish to buy some IP along with the right to patent it yourself.... ground floor entry and all you gotta do is jump on a plane to OZ.


    or is it easier to denigrate rather than investigate?

    This is how we chose to sell the knowledge. Literally 100's of patentable processes. This would be confiscated by the govt so fast and if you dont think so..... put your money where your mouth is.

    but this is not why Im here.....
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    Its not my system.
    Ah, I see. You have been taken in by the con-artist then? Your post #61 shows you have a terminal case of gullibility.

    or better still after the demo, you may wish to buy some IP along with the right to patent it yourself.... ground floor entry and all you gotta do is jump on a plane to OZ.
    Look, don't be a mug. If this idea actually worked the scumbag who has conned you would be making billions from it.

    This always the way with "free energy" scammers. For some reason they choose not to make themselves phenomenally rich but prefer to sell paper plans (that obviously don't work) to mugs for a few dollars a time.

    Pathetic, really.

    or is it easier to denigrate rather than investigate?
    It is when the claims are obviously nonsense.

    but this is not why Im here.....
    So, why not answer the question: WHY ARE YOU HERE?

    Post #61 suggests you are insane. This post suggests you are simply trolling.

    Insane troll, then.
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    Then why are you here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    you go to university to learn a system that is fundamentally flawed at best and totally wrong at worst and pay 100,000's $$ for the privilege and you want me to give you the truth for free?

    all in good time grasshopper. unless you care to contribute to the hat...
    And there we have it. You're a lying huckster. "Give me money and I'll show you the truth."

    What a load of horse pucky.

    One can learn about science for free online and by reading books. Libraries have lots of them. They don't charge you for the privilege. You don't have to "go to university...and pay 100,000's" to learn.

    You are obviously a fraudster. You should be sentenced to drinking only the output of your magic "raw sewage to pure water" converter. À santé!
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    [QUOTE=tk421;361415]

    And there we have it. You're a lying huckster. "Give me money and I'll show you the truth."




    No... you get to see it for free....

    but the offer is there for you to either make a wager or buy what youve seen... no obligation.

    now where else are you going to see and learn about the complete alteration of the atomic structure.... This is what is on offer...

    Its rather sad that some one can have a breakthrough in science and the world not only shuns but Crucifies the bearer of truth.

    Not much has changed in 2000 years except the medium and type of crucifixion.

    good one people

    I must say


    even the attitude of scientists has changed.... once they actually studied and DID the field work..

    looks like now they just abuse, slander and libel and do so as a coward behind anonymity.


    "he who tells the truth must have one foot in the stirrup" now has to be modified to

    "he who speaks his mind must do so from behind an anonymous handle"

    whether it be a science discovery or a criticism of a science discovery
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    It5s rather sad that some one can have a breakthrough in science and the world not only shuns but Crucifies the bearer of truth.

    Not much has changed in 2000 years except the medium and type of crucifixion.
    Spare us the martyrdom BS. It's a tired, pathetic dodge.

    Again, you're a huckster. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post

    You are obviously a fraudster. You should be sentenced to drinking only the output of your magic "raw sewage to pure water" converter. À santé!

    See heres the thing.

    when you change the entire concept of the atomic structure it also changes the concept of Biology and thus medicine.

    It is possible to infuse the frequency of a pathogen into the water thus making the water when drank like a "vaccine" or "antidote" for someone. This process too is available for demonstration as the prototype has been field trialled for many years. Alas the FDA and here in Oz the TGA exists to keep people like you sick and in your case specifically, sickness of the mind... you can lead a person to knowledge but you cant makem think.

    this biology changing atomic structure can be further developed into creating new life forms.

    the present barbaric method of using bacteria to do gene splicing made even Dolly the sheep age prematurely. with Soyabeans the seed is effectively useless after the 3rd generation... Just what monsanto wants and people like you think this it progress and the future. You science is fundamentally flawed and its affecting your food and thus your mind as you are what you eat.

    But last year some clever scientists published a paper on "DNA Teleportation" google it. In the presense of a magnetic field DNA frequency will transfer into another parcel of 'matter'.

    I did this experiment back in 1999. and I called it "cross germination". The guys from dna teleportation naturally ignored my emails as they want to be known for this breakthrough in understanding the correct structure of ALL matter whether organic or inorganic.


    seriously is all you can do is reject change?
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    the mind set on this forum is quite childish.

    you go to the movies to see some ones creation and handiwork and find it entertaining and if its a bad movie you grumble but dont ask for you money back

    BUT

    if a creation is for commercialisation...

    You demand it be for FREE or its a hoax and the person is a liar.


    how pathetic is that...


    whats wrong with selling front row seats to exhibitions of new inventions.

    come on people get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    It5s rather sad that some one can have a breakthrough in science and the world not only shuns but Crucifies the bearer of truth.

    Not much has changed in 2000 years except the medium and type of crucifixion.
    Spare us the martyrdom BS. It's a tired, pathetic dodge.

    Again, you're a huckster. Period.

    591 posts in 9 months and all youve displayed to me is how to reject new ideas, new inventions and an offer of proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
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    It5s rather sad that some one can have a breakthrough in science and the world not only shuns but Crucifies the bearer of truth.

    Not much has changed in 2000 years except the medium and type of crucifixion.
    Spare us the martyrdom BS. It's a tired, pathetic dodge.

    Again, you're a huckster. Period.

    591 posts in 9 months and all youve displayed to me is how to reject new ideas, new inventions and an offer of proof.
    I've properly rejected wrong ideas. This being an internet forum, most posters are not experts, so it is inevitable that most of what they propose will be wrong. What of it? That's what science is about. It's not fantasy time, where any "novel" idea is accepted uncritically solely because of its novelty. History has shown that most new ideas -- from scientists and lay people alike -- are wrong. That's a fact, bub.

    As to your offer of "proof", it is hollow, for you know full well that I am not going to take the time, trouble and expense to fly to see your demo, which will probably be rigged, or mysteriously will malfunction when I get there, or any number of tired maneuvers that hucksters have used since time immemorial. Look up "Orbo" on the internet for a somewhat recent example.

    But I have a counter offer that any honest inventor of an epoch-shattering, paradigm-smashing achievement would jump at: Contact the James Randi Educational Foundation. They have had a standing $1M offer for proof of exactly the sort of extraordinary claim you are making. The money is in escrow, with statement available for viewing. Simply coordinate with them to set up a mutually-agreed upon protocol for proving your claim, then prove it. Collect $1M. Keep the money or donate it to a worthy cause; your choice.

    It's that simple.

    Now let me make a prediction: You will contrive some lame excuse for why you won't or can't present your work to JREF for the test. You'd much prefer a more easily fooled clientele, because you are a huckster.

    Prove me wrong.
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    See heres the thing.

    when you change the entire concept of the atomic structure it also changes the concept of Biology and thus medicine.
    Let's see the details. Details matter. Without them, you're just some Random Guy on the Internet (RGOTI).

    It is possible to infuse the frequency of a pathogen into the water thus making the water when drank like a "vaccine" or "antidote" for someone.
    Meaningless crap. Total crap. One does not "infuse" a frequency of a pathogen. Pathogens don't have frequencies. You have not shown that pathogens have a frequency, nor have you defined what that even means.

    Huckster alert! Classic misappropriation of scientific-sounding terms to fool the gullible.

    This process too is available for demonstration as the prototype has been field trialled for many years. Alas the FDA and here in Oz the TGA exists to keep people like you sick and in your case specifically, sickness of the mind... you can lead a person to knowledge but you cant makem think.
    Again, easy to charge, hard to prove. And you haven't come anywhere near proving your claim.

    Huckster alert, Level 2. "They're out to suppress my breakthrough. I'm obviously telling the truth about my invention, otherwise why would 'the established powers' be so afraid of me?"

    this biology changing atomic structure can be further developed into creating new life forms.
    How? What is the mechanism? Where is the proof? Who did the analysis? What are these new life forms? Where's the proof of their existence?

    Huckster alert, Level 3: Escalating grandiosity, still wholly without any proof whatsoever. None. Just hot air that smells really, really bad.

    the present barbaric method of using bacteria to do gene splicing made even Dolly the sheep age prematurely. with Soyabeans the seed is effectively useless after the 3rd generation... Just what monsanto wants and people like you think this it progress and the future. You science is fundamentally flawed and its affecting your food and thus your mind as you are what you eat.
    Complete non-sequitur. What the hell does Dolly have to do with your claims of a breakthrough? Are you even remotely capable of logical argument?

    But last year some clever scientists published a paper on "DNA Teleportation" google it. In the presense of a magnetic field DNA frequency will transfer into another parcel of 'matter'.
    ETA: I see that one of the "clever scientists" is Nobelist Luc Montagnier. He's a sad case, and proof that winning a Nobel does not inoculate one against foolishness. Witness his claims about homeopathy and curing autism. Again, easy to make a claim. It's much harder to back them up.

    I did this experiment back in 1999. and I called it "cross germination".

    So you claim. Now it's my turn: I just jumped so high that I made it to Mars and back before suffocating. Believe me? No? Why not? Anyone can claim anything on the internet. Shocker: Not all claims are true. That's why scientists ask for evidence. And the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the required proof. Why is that so hard to understand?


    The guys from dna teleportation naturally ignored my emails as they want to be known for this breakthrough in understanding the correct structure of ALL matter whether organic or inorganic.
    Maybe they ignored you because they detected, as have others here, that you are some blend of delusional and dishonest. ETA: Or maybe it's because you don't share their particular variety of delusion.


    seriously is all you can do is reject change?
    Seriously, all I can do is insist on evidence. I'm not going to accept what anyone says without evidence. Are you proposing that everyone simply accept all claims uncritically, just because they represent change?

    Ridiculous and idiotic.
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    Quite frankly, Im wasting my time here.
    Indeed you are.

    So what do we got here ? A length of pipe with some magnets attached to it. In other words, a pipe with a weak magnetic field present.
    What happens if you pass salt water through a magnetic field ? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
    Does it matter how the field is oriented, i.e. in what configuration the magnets are attached ? No, it doesn't.
    So, to make a long story short - what comes out the other end when you pass salt water through such a length of pipe ? You guessed it - salt water !

    You know elpres, your knowledge of basic physics has that adorable property of not existing
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    Quote Originally Posted by elpres View Post
    the mind set on this forum is quite childish.
    Stop reading only your own posts.
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