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  • Yup they are there alright - just too fast to see

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  • Are they endangered with all the pollution

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  • Nope: Our scientists are too great to have this slip by

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  • Thunder and Lightning Bugs do exist

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  • What a stupid idea

    3 42.86%
  • They have high intelligence

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  • Go video you will catch them up in the thunderheads

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Thread: Are we alone with our SKY or just too slow to notice?

  1. #1 Are we alone with our SKY or just too slow to notice? 
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    I've been videoing all kinds to strange stuff up in the clouds... For Years.

    Slow motion exposes them. Some terrestrial some not.

    They seem to like ThunderHead clouds. That is where I first noticed them. Right Here:
    Mushroom Cloud : Spectate Swamp : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

    To think that the sky has been empty for Billions and Billions of years Is pure stupid.. Ya think..


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    I didn't see anything in there.

    What do you see?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    I didn't see anything in there.

    What do you see?
    A very fast object doing a 270 degree turn right as another object moves into the cloud above

    hi000171-1 : SpectateSwamp : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
    Roughly 40 seconds into the video clip. The 270 degree turns are the trademark for the Thunder and Lightning Bugs.
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    Congratulations. You have discovered birds.
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  7. #6 How could so many Smart people be fooled? They can't possibly exist 
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    demo85-pict7 : SpectateSwamp : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
    This one has at least 9 different flight paths. One is really close to the camera.

    When You shoot lots you will be amazed at what you find.

    demo76-pict13 : spectateswamp : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
    Swarm of activity and a cloaked object.

    faint shiny object at 85 secs moves behind cloud : Doug Pederson AKA SpectateSwamp : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
    a bright and shiny. I have at least 4 of these shiny things

    Check video of unusual events on the net. Slow the video down.... Stuff is up there.
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    Towering cumulus forming as the sun goes down are pretty common. A hair or something is caught in the projector at one point. (shrugs).
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    That was a waste of time, watching those videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    One is really close to the camera.
    How do you know how close it is?

    Come to that, how do you know the others are up in the clouds?

    And, therefore, how do you know how fast they are going?

    (My guess is that some may be small insects just in front of the lens, some may be birds, some may be camera noise combined with compression artefacts, and some are in the viewer's imagination...)
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    That's my interpretation; as Harold said, until there's really something there, it's a waste of time.

    Read the fable "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    One is really close to the camera.
    How do you know how close it is?

    Come to that, how do you know the others are up in the clouds?

    And, therefore, how do you know how fast they are going?

    (My guess is that some may be small insects just in front of the lens, some may be birds, some may be camera noise combined with compression artefacts, and some are in the viewer's imagination...)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U Perspective explained.

    So. Those people who are terrified of being watched, were right. These things. See EVERY thing.
    I sense a cover-up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    One is really close to the camera.
    How do you know how close it is?

    Come to that, how do you know the others are up in the clouds?

    And, therefore, how do you know how fast they are going?

    (My guess is that some may be small insects just in front of the lens, some may be birds, some may be camera noise combined with compression artefacts, and some are in the viewer's imagination...)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U Perspective explained.
    Exactly. You can't tell if they are large things a long way away or small things that are very close. Or some combination of those.
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  14. #13 Watching nearly 200 hours of video tells me so 
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    Experience tells me different. I've seen many bugs. Many Many. I've seen hundreds of birds up in the clouds. After you watch 1/2 as much video, looking for these things. You'll understand.
    Otherwise it is just another case of: if I don't know about it - then it can't be.
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    Congratulations. You've discovered birds. I happened to be watching some clouds and birds last evening for a while, and saw maneuvers that looked just like your magic dots. No extreme explanation required.
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  16. #15 Finally You can show these things the way I see them. 
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    Nearly 10 years of shooting these things and having such a hard time trying to get anybody to look at them. Has caused a lot of frustration and forced me to improve my Video Software.

    Now people can download the timeline playback text control file. The MultiMedia player executable along with links to the 12 original videos at archive.org.. Put these files on a USB stick and a couple clicks later, you will be seeing these fast flyers / thunder and lightning bugs; as good or better than me (if you have a big screen TV hooked to your PC)

    Here is the link to the screen reshoot of the first 10 minutes of this playback.
    Slow Motion Demo and Faster Than Sight Objects - YouTube

    Slow motion demo This link provides the info and software to run it. It works on both PC and Linux systems.

    Please please people look at the control file MPEG_VIDEOSmix.txt and you will see how it works. Then you can hunt your own. Please post those you capture on archive.org and let me know. I'll watch 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    Nearly 10 years of shooting these things and having such a hard time trying to get anybody to look at them. Has caused a lot of frustration and forced me to improve my Video Software.
    Why don't you simply post a .png of the frame that most clearly shows what you are trying to show.

    If you post a single image you can then highlight the relevant part (using Paint.NET or whatever).
    You can then include the time that the frame occurred and people can watch the video after they know what they are meant to be looking for.

    Having a low-res film of yourself pointing at a film of something small is ineffective at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    Nearly 10 years of shooting these things and having such a hard time trying to get anybody to look at them.
    A life well spent.
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  19. #18 Dogged determination will get you there. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    Nearly 10 years of shooting these things and having such a hard time trying to get anybody to look at them.
    A life well spent.
    But I didn't give up. Now I can catalog everybody's FTS objects. Fill my disks; internal and external and view them randomly.

    Please hunt and upload the strange stuff you capture and I'll catalog and burn them to DVD.

    Slow Motion Demo and Faster Than Sight Objects - YouTube


    I was having problems with the random stuff but not anymore.


    Let the excitement begin..

    The latest executable will be uploaded in minutes and the following link will have the instructions and timeline playback file to randomly view.

    Slow motion demo
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  20. #19 Now you can see what I have been videoing... 
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    Check out this youtube video of the playback (screen reshoot).
    Slow Motion Demo and Faster Than Sight Objects - YouTube

    The video comments includes the link explaining how to download the original files along with a text playback control file and the MultiMedia player to do the playback.

    Slow motion demo

    To think the sky has been devoid of life for Billions of years just doesn't make sense.
    Things that move too fast to be seen are out there. Grab your camcorder and go hunting.
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    Thanks, I enjoyed watching this man film a flying bug and then identify the Cloaked Mother ship.


    Brilliant.
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  22. #21 With a large screen tv hooked up you'll see a lot more... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Thanks, I enjoyed watching this man film a flying bug and then identify the Cloaked Mother ship.


    Brilliant.
    Thanks for looking. You are more open minded than most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Thanks, I enjoyed watching this man film a flying bug and then identify the Cloaked Mother ship.


    Brilliant.
    Thanks for looking. You are more open minded than most.
    An open mind needs a screen door to keep the bugs out. But I think you misunderstood my post.

    I do not believe we have been having alien visitors. I do not believe that the vast majority of accounts of U.F.O.'s demonstrate alien visitation.
    I do not believe we can say for certain, but I am very skeptical of the many claims made.

    There's a lot of speculation out there and frankly, a lot of unwarranted and far fetched speculation. Believers show very little discrimination and a lot of wishful thinking.

    I, for one, would be astounded and pleased to see evidence that we've been silently observed by an alien race- should they come down, introduce themselves and say, "It's time to get to know eachother."
    I'd also be wary- as given two societies in which one is more advanced than the other; the greater tends to devour the lesser.

    But in the meantime, there is simply zero evidence that any such things is occurring and there is a lot of evidence of imaginative interpretation, pareidolia, claims for attention, etc.
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  24. #23 All these video artifacts could be life forms as yet undiscovered 
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    I'm not sure these are aliens or just very fast life forms. Either way. They are there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    I'm not sure these are aliens or just very fast life forms. Either way. They are there...
    Watching the videos you posted... I saw what could be insects flying very near a camera. I have done this photography myself.
    So, you will need to demonstrate that the objects are distant enough to be faster than sight.
    Then, you would need to determine what the objects are.

    We do know, quite well, that many Earth Bound aircraft move faster than sight (such as the SR-71 Blackbird, no longer in the air as it's obsolete, but I love that plane so it's my favorite example), so showing the objects to be unusual of origin would be difficult.

    We already know that faster than sight human built aircraft exist.
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    We already know that faster than sight human built aircraft exist.
    What are you talking about? On a clear day the Blackbird would be in a ground observers field of vision for about 30 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    We already know that faster than sight human built aircraft exist.
    What are you talking about? On a clear day the Blackbird would be in a ground observers field of vision for about 30 seconds.
    With a top speed of about 2,000 miles per hour, the Blackbird can, indeed, move faster than sight.
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    What I said is factually true. 30 Seconds. I would be just as easy to see as a commercial jet is overhead, only travelling about six times faster.

    What do you mean by faster than sight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    What I said is factually true. 30 Seconds. I would be just as easy to see as a commercial jet is overhead, only travelling about six times faster.
    Yeah... I hate you. Did a back of the envelope calculation and I stand corrected. It cannot reach top speed when altitude is too low. At high altitude, even mach 3 is quite visible. Very, very fast... but quite visible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    I'm not sure these are aliens or just very fast life forms. Either way. They are there...
    Your probably allowing your vivid imagination cloud your better judgment regarding the invisible mother ship. Maybe try taking a more skeptical approach towards your own work.

    I’m certainly no photographer but I feel I can advice you not to make the mistake of believing everything you see taken by your camera.

    For example, I suspect your aware of the so called “Flying Rods” that only camera's pick up? Some people eagerly believe the flying rods to be angels or E.T. But in fact, it’s nothing but a demonstration on how the camera can “lie”.
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    If I was E.T., I'd be radar stealthy, fly about 35,000 feet just below the speed of sound with one port red and one starboard green blinking light.
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    Have a little row of lights down the side and stay on recognized jetways.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    This beautiful mushroom cloud that formed one day in 2003 got me going.



    To extend the viewing I played it in slow motion. There were all kinds of things moving in and out of this cloud formation.

    I showed this clip to a coffee shop owner a couple weeks later and she said that she saw that cloud by the golf course. Yesterday. Same cloud, same spot.

    I'm sure the Explain-It-Aways will say we are both crazy. Once EIA's have dug their heels in professing there is no probability of anything existing that They don't know about; they put the blinders on and keep them there. The EIA's should just pack up and go to a skeptics forum. What a closed minded bunch. If they don't have one in a pickling jar. It can't possibly exist.

    If only people were as skeptical of what government and science tells them. Now go eat your GMO cornflakes and read the "news" paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    If only people were as skeptical of what government and science tells them. Now go eat your GMO cornflakes and read the "news" paper.
    I think your been a little harsh on sceptics

    If you discovered a trail of track marks in the shape of hoofs located in a field whilst walking in a remote countryside and the locals claimed that to be evidence for a unicorn that was once sighted in those parts. Would you yourself not be sceptical? After all, it might just be a horse?
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    This "strange" cloud is what sparked all this skepticism, but my question to you would be, "Do you understand atmospherics enough to claim this cloud formation IS actually strange?"
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    It's a cloud. Cumulus nimbus, I think. Nothing particularly unusual about it, unless you're conspiracy nut.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    It's a cloud. Cumulus nimbus, I think. Nothing particularly unusual about it, unless you're conspiracy nut.
    This.

    Towering cumulus clouds are far from uncommon or strange. They are very interesting, but if you understand the mechanics that cause them to form, you understand this particular cloud is very cool, but it is not suspicious in any way.

    You would probably be very interested in mammatus or shelf clouds. Very cool, very strange, still not suspicious.
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    So are you saying that the insects are taking to skies to take us over and are contacting their motherships in the clouds....

    Man check into rehab....
    (warthog) an ugly little animal in Africa that is hunted, killed and eaten by lions.

    Sorry i'm no scientist so don't expect me to use those terms which scientist use
    to explain things.... I am only an observer of things....

    Every dream i've dreamed isn't the life I live in....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpectateSwamp View Post
    This beautiful mushroom cloud that formed one day in 2003 got me going.



    To extend the viewing I played it in slow motion. There were all kinds of things moving in and out of this cloud formation.

    I showed this clip to a coffee shop owner a couple weeks later and she said that she saw that cloud by the golf course. Yesterday. Same cloud, same spot.

    I'm sure the Explain-It-Aways will say we are both crazy. Once EIA's have dug their heels in professing there is no probability of anything existing that They don't know about; they put the blinders on and keep them there. The EIA's should just pack up and go to a skeptics forum. What a closed minded bunch. If they don't have one in a pickling jar. It can't possibly exist.

    If only people were as skeptical of what government and science tells them. Now go eat your GMO cornflakes and read the "news" paper.

    It's a towering cumulus cloud. Nothing unusual about it. I'll resist urge to bore you with a thousand details about them, other than mention that terrain and wind patterns often make their development more likely over some place than others--hence a similar pattern of formation day after day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    It's a towering cumulus cloud. Nothing unusual about it. I'll resist urge to bore you with a thousand details about them, other than mention that terrain and wind patterns often make their development more likely over some place than others--hence a similar pattern of formation day after day.
    Is it too nerdy that I would actually like to hear a real meteorologist discuss supercell development?
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