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    This is the pseudoscience section right?

    So.. Has there been any experiments that attempted to prove things like ESP or the existence of a soul? I remember hearing about this experiment where they weighed dying people moments before and moments after death to find mass difference.. I don't remember the results though


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    Yes they have been attmpted. Every scientific one has failed to prove the existence of the phenomena you mention.
    There's a million bucks out there for anyone who can pass a test...


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    Oh yeah! I remember that.. The James Randi foundation challenged Sylvia Browne and she chickened out twice.. Or was it some other 'psychic'?
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    They all have chickened out. ALL.
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    True facts. But that doesn't mean psychic phenomon cannot happen..
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    Stormwolf. Allreceptor Windows must be open. The best question is, are attempts at ESP dispersal, directional, non-purposeful and random, desperate attempts to communicate helpful information to a group or to an individual? The Initiator of attempted sensory communication in special circumstances has a genuine reason for wanting to make contact. To prevent some misfortune occurring, to give warning, to prepare someone for an encounter with a new Life experience. It works the other way to. Beware of desperardoes phantoms of the opera screaming banshees wanting to enter your mind in a desparate attempt to have a controlling influence in the present existance. ( Idon't want to frighten you, just stating the facts as I have personally experienced them ) ( HE HE HE ). That explains a lot says MW. westwind.
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    Lol i thought you said allosteric windows.. :3

    You've had these kinds of experiences? Care to share some with us? Im just.. interested in this kind of stuff lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf View Post
    This is the pseudoscience section right?

    So.. Has there been any experiments that attempted to prove things like ESP or the existence of a soul? I remember hearing about this experiment where they weighed dying people moments before and moments after death to find mass difference.. I don't remember the results though
    Theres been 1000s of experiments it is a very deep subject, as I type this there are probably some parapsychologists trying to prove these things, but sadly after 150 years there is little repeatable evidence so the majority of the scientific community dismiss this stuff as pseudoscience which of course they are correct in doing as there is no current conclusive evidence, of course that does not mean it is impossible, just further research needs to be done and needs to be confirmed if we wish to consider it a science. At the moment this stuff is pseudoscience but that may change one day. Interestly many paranormal researchers have claimed that parapsychology and things like the soul are metaphysical, they would not operate to known scientific laws, so science does not cover this stuff according to them, it is metaphysics beyond the physical they say, of course this is the opinion of some researchers not all, others have claimed electromagnetism may explain things like ESP. But stuff like the ganzfeld experiments have never been replicated and secondly lots of flawed controls for example the rooms they did experiments in were not sound proof! Likewise ESP experiments carried out by Dr. Rhine have never been replicated anywear around the world by any other scientist. Science is about being repeatable so they are gonna dimiss his work.

    Regarding the soul, very little studies have ever been performed on this. A french physician claimed to of photographed the soul (his photos are up online) I created a thread about this, but users here laughed at it. Not many folk want to investigate the soul with empirical tests becuase most folk believe this to be a metaphysical entity and science can not detect it. Regarding the weight experiments of the soul yes one scientist did perform those on humans and found that at death there is a slight mass difference. Independent researchers in the 1940s also found out that at the moment of death animals such as rats and mouses also lose mass. Some are convinced this is evidence for the survival of the soul or survival of something atleast, others are skeptical and put it down just to moisture loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forests View Post
    Regarding the soul, very little studies have ever been performed on this. A french physician claimed to of photographed the soul (his photos are up online) I created a thread about this, but users here laughed at it.
    Simply because those photos are laughable in terms of being evidence for anything. Some vague blobs on an old photo that look exactly like exposure/processing problems ... not exactly compelling.

    Not many folk want to investigate the soul with empirical tests becuase most folk believe this to be a metaphysical entity and science can not detect it.
    That is a rather confused statement.

    If it is a purely metaphysical entity that cannot be detected then, obviously, there is nothing science can do about it.

    I have to say that the distinction between something that exists but is completely undetectable and something that doesn't exist is a little too subtle for me.

    However, as you say, people have attempted to detect the soul (or ghosts, spirits, whatever) using all sorts of means. None of these have ever produced any meaningful results. Most scientists would therefore rather get on with things that are more readily detectable (like dark matter).

    I'm sure there are plenty of people who will dismiss the idea of dismissing more research in this area.

    One the other hand, there will always be people who want to look into this and further research will be done, I'm sure. After all, a good proportion of scientists have religious or spiritual beliefs of various sorts. And there is nothing to stop people who are not professional scientists taking a disciplined, scientific approach.

    Regarding the weight experiments of the soul yes one scientist did perform those on humans and found that at death there is a slight mass difference. Independent researchers in the 1940s also found out that at the moment of death animals such as rats and mouses also lose mass.
    The original experiments were very poorly done and the data is inconsistent and of dubious quality. Later attempts to replicate them have not done much better.

    Some are convinced this is evidence for the survival of the soul or survival of something atleast, others are skeptical and put it down just to moisture loss.
    Well, as we know that moisture exists and will leave a warm body at a fairly predictable rate but we have no certainty about the existence of souls (and whether they would have mass) it would seem reasonable to use Occam's razor and choose moisture as the more plausible (for the present, at least).

    Especially as it seems the time required for the "soul" to leave can be hours or days ... seems like it could be moisture to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf View Post
    True facts. But that doesn't mean psychic phenomon cannot happen..
    One the other hand, with no evidence that they do happen ...

    I'll stick with the "null hypothesis"; i.e. they don;t exist.
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    I have to say that the distinction between something that exists but is completely undetectable and something that doesn't exist is a little too subtle for me.
    I totally agree with you.. Its just pure speculation if you say something exists but is completely undetectable.

    But what if science just don't have the capacity to detect things like souls at the moment? Perhaps we will be in the future.. :3
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    I feel compelled to reply to this thread because I am currently, and have been for just about five years now, experiencing life at a level that is resulting in complete reevaluations and changes in my core beliefs like spiritualism. Five years ago I was fine with never in a million years believing that there was a big hand in the sky and that there was not a force of evil and when you die you just die and there were no "spirits" to talk to and if you can't prove it it's not real, Science was science and rarely was it wrong.

    Through the combination of an intelligent mind, extensive education, research, and what I will describe as numerous, no, extensive numbers of truly rare and often quite bizarre life experiences, I have no other choice than to open my mind to possibilities Science simply cannot except. I also want to add that over the course of five years I have been in church only twice so this is really not a religeon thing.

    The current status of this journey, well next wednesday I have an appointment with a Shaman because honestly, I'm new at this spirit stuff and quite frankly I need some damn guidance. I can honestly tell you that the process of speaking with the Shaman on the phone and scheduling an appointment for an initial two hour consultation has had a very strong and significant effect on my overall mental state of mind.
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    That's very good I believe in opening your mind to new things like spirituality, sometimes science just cannot explain everything..
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