Notices
Results 1 to 16 of 16
Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By stander-j

Thread: It involves a mountain, a tongueless corpse, nine deaths, and radiation!

  1. #1 It involves a mountain, a tongueless corpse, nine deaths, and radiation! 
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    Well, I'm not too sure what to say about this. I'd hate to give the lot of you any spoilers, I think this incident speaks for itself. My theory?? Aliens.. Or Radioactive Yeti.. Anyone have a rational explanation for this event?

    Dyatlov Pass incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Moderator Moderator Markus Hanke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    7,172
    This is actually an interesting read, I hadn't heard of this incident before.
    The problem here is that this happened over 50 years ago, and the complete investigation files have never been made available for an independent inquiry, so it is hard to judge how much of the original story is actually accurate.
    I am somewhat of a skeptic myself, so my immediate reaction upon reading the article was that they got caught out by bad weather and simply perished from hypothermia. People do strange things when they are severely hypothermic, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if the injuries mentioned in the text are the result of the climbers fighting among themselves ( which could also explain why the tent was ripped from the inside ). A skull or chest fracture can be inflicted easily by something as simple as a piece of hard timber or wood, without needing any superhuman strength.
    I am not at all certain whether the radioactive clothing is actually a fact of the case, or just something that was invented later to make this sound a bit more mysterious. Is there any physical evidence ? It was mentioned that one of the climbers fell ill and was left behind - is there a connection ?
    If their clothes really were "highly radioactive", than this would have left traces on and in their bodies as well, and I find it unlikely that they would have been given a public burial by the authorities. Even if this is correct, there is nothing to say that the radioactivity is actually connected to this incident - perhaps these climbers were in contact with a source of radioactivity at some other time during their expedition, or even before.
    Radioactive Yeti ? I think not...


    Last edited by Markus Hanke; January 29th, 2012 at 08:09 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Moderator Moderator Markus Hanke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    7,172
    There is another possibility...looking at the image on Wikipedia, the remains of the tent look to me like what's left after an avalanch hit it...that would also explain the injuries...just thinking
    Also, they did in fact camp on an exposed mountain slope - prime avalance terrain !
    The other thing that comes to mind is a nuclear weapons test - that would readily explain the radiation, injuries and the observed bright lights.
    Last edited by Markus Hanke; January 29th, 2012 at 08:20 AM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    16,540
    I like the avalanche idea. The thing that occurred to me initially was the possibility of some/all of the group suffering a psychotic attack due to naturally occurring neurotoxin in their food (like ergot). I am also rather suspicious about the existence or relevance of radioactivity. In those days, radium was still used in fluorescent paint so it could have come from a watch dial or some other piece of equipment.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Moderator Moderator Markus Hanke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    7,172
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I like the avalanche idea. The thing that occurred to me initially was the possibility of some/all of the group suffering a psychotic attack due to naturally occurring neurotoxin in their food (like ergot). I am also rather suspicious about the existence or relevance of radioactivity. In those days, radium was still used in fluorescent paint so it could have come from a watch dial or some other piece of equipment.
    True enough, even though that wouldn't explain why the radiation was found on all the climbers' clothes, unless they had the same watches...
    Also, that still leaves the small matter of the missing tongue
    I wonder if the tongue could have been eaten by a wild animal after death ?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Moderator Moderator Markus Hanke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    7,172
    Check out this - it's in Russian, but still very interesting :

    1959

    Note that there are no visible artifacts in these photos as you would normally expect them from radiation exposure, as in, for example, photos taken in Pripyat immediately after the Chernobyl accident. So either the radiation was weak enough not to affect the camera, it was only present at the time when whatever happened to the group took place, or the radiation story was fake altogether.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    885
    Some were found wrapped in snips of ripped clothes which seemed to be cut from those who were already dead.
    do you also reach a stage, where you do this?
    sounds like the only weird thing here, to me.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
    Radioactive Yeti ? I think not...
    Haha, the radioactive Yeti was just in jest. Aliens however.. Man would I love for it to have been aliens. One can only hope.

    Like Strange, I too am digging your avalanche idea. The one thing that kind of bothers me about the possibility of it having been an avalanche is the tent, and that the woman who had lost her tongue was one of the four under four metres of snow - so if there was an avalanche she must have lost her tongue prior to the avalanche having occured. Plus it would have to have had been a massive avalanche to carry them that far away from the camp. Their belongings were littered all over the place in the area, how could an avalanche not carry that stuff away too?

    I'm thinking an avalanche might have come into play after the incident already occured. I mean, for the avalanche to be powerful enough to break ribs and fracture skulls it would definitely have carried the tent away too, am I right? Or is this jumping to a conclusion to quickly?

    This is what I'm thinking might have happened:

    1) they see the strange lights, are already somewhat hypothermic and not thinking clearly. Out of fear they rip open their tent and flee to the woods for coverage from the storm, to hide.

    2) the go out in search of firewood, or something like that, get lost, and then get into a fight with each other out of delirium from hypothermia and being generally annoyed with one another. One guy cuts the woman's tongue out, probably threatened to cut out her tongue or something if she didn't shut up - and then all hell broke loose.

    3) the other three go out to look the missing four. They can't find them, and die making their way back to the fire. The other two die at the fire.

    4) later on, weapons testing sets off a series of avalanches, and the storm is the reason their stuff was littered all over the place.

    Maybe they even survived through the storm and descended into chaos throughout a span of a couple days. Maybe they were so disorientated that they figured their cache of supplies was in the wooded area they were in, and that's what the four went out to search for.
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    Dyatlov Pass Incident - Questions and Answers

    This incident loses a lot of it's weird and mysterious circumstances after having read this.
    Markus Hanke likes this.
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    885
    if they're already in a hypothermia delirium, why would they make a camp fire?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    if they're already in a hypothermia delirium, why would they make a camp fire?
    Lol well, because they've gone insane.. Insane people don't use logic in decision making, the use crazy-person logic: "It's too damn hot to be wearing this coat, but its too cold if I take it off. BUT I can build a fire, position myself correctly, and take this coat off - the temperature will be perfect."
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    885
    and i thought, you'd tried to get away from any heat source.
    but they were found wearing the pieces of the already deceased. which leas to the question, which ones of them did?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Forum Ph.D. stander-j's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    854
    I don't really know, I skimmed over that link I posted on #9, in includes a lot more information than there is on the wikipedia article. But from the information on that link, my theory is a bust: No evidence or indications that there was at any point an avalanche, the radiation was indeed inconsequential, the tonge actually decomposed - apparently, and the article hints the injuries of the four that were in the ravine probably fell and attained their injuries from that.
    "Cultivated leisure is the aim of man."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    885
    yea, no mentioning about, which ones were at the fire place or wore the clothing.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    885
    my guess would be though, that the ones, returning to the camp did.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #16  
    Moderator Moderator Markus Hanke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    7,172
    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    Dyatlov Pass Incident - Questions and Answers

    This incident loses a lot of it's weird and mysterious circumstances after having read this.
    Thanks for this link...I think this pretty much clears up the remaining questions...
    Rest in peace, radioactive Yeti...
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Just a bit of mountain scenery
    By Bunbury in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: September 27th, 2011, 09:52 AM
  2. mountain and plain
    By dolphinbubble in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: October 22nd, 2010, 11:00 AM
  3. Life span of a mountain
    By gavinred in forum Earth Sciences
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: March 11th, 2009, 02:49 PM
  4. corpse
    By mobiustrip in forum Biology
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: July 8th, 2006, 09:48 PM
  5. Are there many ways onto mountain to God?
    By PetriFB in forum Scientific Study of Religion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: June 6th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •