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    I was wondering if there's anyone here who seriously believes in Astrology. Judging by the omnipresence of "horoscopes" (even in some newspapers!) there must be many people who believe in it. I'm really curious how they would defend their idea's.


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    Nope, never has never will, its nothing but BULLSHIT


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    I tend to agree with Zelos on this one..
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    my horoskope (wich i made) said that i would press something saying "submit"

    well i be damn, i did it after writing this post hahaha
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    As a Gemini I am in two minds about it.
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    tell us
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    I should have known :wink: Actually it's surprising that there are no astrology-believers here. According to this article (kinda old, I know) about 31% of population believe in astrology in the US (2003).
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    no one ever blammed the usas general population for bieng smart
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    astrology in the newspapers is rubbish! however there is a lot more to astrology than eccentric people telling u u gonna win the lottery...astrology is more about how planetary positions at your birth time affect who u are! it, in away determines your likes and dislikes, personality traits etc....obviously not 100% accurate since hereditory facors also play a role, but ja i believe in astrology but not te airy faery newspaper kind
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    astrology in the newspapers is rubbish! however there is a lot more to astrology than eccentric people telling u u gonna win the lottery...astrology is more about how planetary positions at your birth time affect who u are! it, in away determines your likes and dislikes, personality traits etc....obviously not 100% accurate since hereditory facors also play a role, but ja i believe in astrology but not te airy faery newspaper kind
    how can astrology have anything to do with reality with all known laws of physics?
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    how does it clash?? i tink its more spititual energy tan physical laws?? and considering a lot of astrologers are middle aged women who think they psychic coz they just KNEW he was at the bar when she phoned, and who did a crash course in astrology...u may have a valid point...but i would like to know how it goes against pysical laws....
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    The future isnt written yet so how can it be known?

    It goes agaisnt all common sense since stars and planets have absolutly nothing to do with who we are, what we are where we are or anything
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    Remember India's most famous astrologer...

    "Raman was editing his Astrological Magazine when he died of sudden unforeseen heart attack"

    Not often there's Humor, Irony, and tragedy all in one short sentence!
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    Horoscopes, palmistries, fortune telling, tarot card reading, fortune cookies, matchmaking based on astrology, psychic lines and all the other non sense..

    Fake sh*t put together to make bills.. Ms.Cleo being a prime example!
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    wonder whats gonna happen to astrology now that pluto is not a planet anymore? :wink:
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    The people on this forum are mostly likely educated. therefore the population of nutcases(astrology believers) would be very low. Sure could be 31%... just not here.
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    I would not call Isaac Newton a nutcase Draculogenes!
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    if he belived in astrology he were a bit nutty
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    most exceptionally intelligent people ARE a bit nutty
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    because they have a psykological abnormality
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    and an open mind, a mind open to possibility- unlike draculogenes :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    and an open mind, a mind open to possibility- unlike draculogenes :wink:
    their psykological abnormality allows them to see outside the box while their expertise makes them able to sort out whats relevant and what isnt
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    so u saying they will take astrology into consideration for a brief moment but then their knowledge of cold hard scientifc facts will force them to reconsider?

    astrology is about planetary positions affecting something or the other when we are born, no? how does that go against physical laws?? i would like to know, because i dont...um i guess this argument also has got to do with ones spiritual/religius belief combined with indoctrined scientific laws that are logic and often disagree or at least do not really support SOME spiritual/religious beliefs
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    so u saying they will take astrology into consideration for a brief moment but then their knowledge of cold hard scientifc facts will force them to reconsider
    no, im thinking more on new ideas, but of course any sane person not leed by emotions know astrology is bullshit

    i would like to know, because i dont...um i guess this argument also has got to do
    it goes against comon sense, their present or in-present dont change your life. If we were to remove mercery your life wont change, or anything. it doesnt make any sense or logic
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    thing is mercury wouldnt just disappear, imagine for some logical scientific reason mercury did in fact disappear or get destroyed, surely it would have some sort of an effect on the solar system and we would indirectly be affected???
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    planets and stars do have some effect on us. electromagnetic, or gravitational. but that doesn't really matter, it's insignificant. todays astrology is total shit. it's a way for people to make money... you are all pawns. the stars won't effect my life in any significant manner.

    How's this though. if i believe that the star placements will effect me, therefore resulting in me changing my plan for tomorrow(or whatever). would that inadvertently be the stars effecting me? :P :P

    ps i am very closed-minded, good call on that... by the way did i mention the world is flat?
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    surely it would have some sort of an effect on the solar system and we would indirectly be affected???
    if you live for millions of years then yes it effect you, else its to insignifican for anyone to notice
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    hahaha! It IS flat! i keep finding myself falling of the edge... :wink: um i think we slightly on a different page with this astrology thing...in my opinion astrology is NOT about that crap in the newspaper, yes those are people making money....people cannot tell the future according to the satrs or planetary arrangement however as u say planetary positions affect us couse of electromagnetic fields...however it is something we have no control over or no need to have control over therefore can carry on with our daily lives. however i do tend to believe that theses planetary positions "determine" certain personality traits....iv observed it myself with people who are of the same sign, there are certain key characteristics they share....dont u think so?
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    no i dont, im still sane
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    ok Mr. Cynical :wink: i think il leave the discussion at that then! il go do some googling and maybe il come back to u and tell u that u were right....or maybe not, we will see!
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    when it comes to this you cant come with any proof that cant be questioned
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    the only reason you have "similar traits" is because you are looking for them. If you took a bunch of scorpios (you're a virgo) you'd have just as many similar traits with them. they'd jsut be different traits. Also if i read in some astro-mag that leo's are flair, or they have a flair for card tricks, i will immediately try to find aspects of myself that relate to those. You can read any sign's traits, and most of them would fit in for you. don't be such a rook, wahahaha
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    u have a valid point, and i have thought about it before but i dont know whatthe true answer is, not everyting can be explained away by science
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    not everyting can be explained away by science
    everything that has any relevans in this universe can.
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    I don't think a matter of faith can be proven or disproven by science. it's like proving if there is a god, we just won't know.
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    I don't think a matter of faith can be proven or disproven by science
    faith cant be proven by anyone else than the person in question

    but science can prove the possibility of a super natural bieng by investigating the fundamental laws of the universe. any thing related to this universe must follow those laws aswell, even "gods"
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    . any thing related to this universe must follow those laws aswell, even "gods"
    Ever heard of a black hole?
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    I saw a newspaper article recently about a large study done (I think in Denmark or Norway maybe?) on the relation of astrological predictions to real life. Funny enough, they came up with nothing.

    It was then followed by a subnote saying that the newspaper would still continue to print horoscopes.
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    DrNeedles I'm happy you're stepping up as the 'devil's advocate' for astrology :wink: It allows us to learn a bit more about this subject.

    I wonder, how do you think planets/moons/stars can influence human personality?
    Take into account that these objects are nothing but heaps of inanimate matter, located at enormous distances from the Earth. In fact I see no difference between claiming that the sun influences a person, and that a tennisball at 100 km distance influences him/her. What's the special characteristic of the Sun (which is basicly a heap of hydrogen, some helium and some other materials) that makes it influence human personality, while a man-made object with the same properties can not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leukocyte
    I saw a newspaper article recently about a large study done (I think in Denmark or Norway maybe?) on the relation of astrological predictions to real life. Funny enough, they came up with nothing.

    It was then followed by a subnote saying that the newspaper would still continue to print horoscopes.
    Real pity.. newspapers should be managed in a responsable way, but for some reason superstition is tolerated by them.
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    Btw I've decided to go to some astrology forums and pose roughly the same questions there. I'm really curious about how they'll react :wink:

    The threads are located here, and I've posted under the fitting nickname 'Reality': http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=3189
    and: http://www.zodiacal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3167#3167

    This may turn out a very amusing game
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    Ever heard of a black hole?
    yes they follow this laws. its a extreme object under extreme circumstances therefor follow the laws a bit different than we are used to. like QM and relativity are extreme cases
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    update: some ppl responded at the astrological forums. The battle begins
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    i am starting to understand how astrology contradicts accepted scientific laws....lol, i had to laugh Pendragon when the one forum member that space rocks are conscious beings thought that was quite funny... astrology might not make much sense, YET, but i think that some day we might get more understanding into astrology when we know more about science... i mean back in the day people thought the earth was flat and eventually as people gained more knowledge and technology developed etc people found it was in fact round so what i am saying is that maybe right now our understanding of astrology is somewhat promitive but maybe in the future it will make more sense. i find that i seem to be drawn to people of the same sign as me....coincidence?? i think not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    i mean back in the day people thought the earth was flat
    Can I ask who you think thought the earth was flat and at what period in history?
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    i remember learning it when i was still at school....i think it was people in the bible but i am not sure- nor is it mportant alll i was trying to say is that future scientific discoveries may one day lead to the supporting of astrology. we should not discard something just because it has been abused and misused by the ignorant masses and by that i mean so called fortune tellers and people who wrie "the stars" every week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    i remember learning it when i was still at school....i think it was people in the bible but i am not sure- nor is it mportant alll i was trying to say is that future scientific discoveries may one day lead to the supporting of astrology. we should not discard something just because it has been abused and misused by the ignorant masses and by that i mean so called fortune tellers and people who wrie "the stars" every week.
    Flat earth is a myth, it was proposed by some English eccentric in victorian times, he seems to have assumed that everybody believed the earth was flat before it was proven as round.

    Astrology is an ancient idea. It has no basis in fact, simply people could tell by the stars at night that the seasons were changing, they knew when they saw a particular constellation just after dark the winter was coming. Obviosly someone then decided that maybe everything could be told by the night sky. There has never been any correlation between astrological predictions and reality.
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    i understand how astrology and science do not go together but time will tell :wink:
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    ..or logic will tell :P

    Look at it this way: if a hypothesis makes no sense whatsoever (I don't see how it makes sense that concentrations of rock and gas at millions km away influence our personality) and nobody has ever shown any proof or even shreds of evidence that support the idea, then we don't have to wait before casting it in the dustbin of superstition :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    i understand how astrology and science do not go together but time will tell :wink:
    no, we already know this for sure. it has no base in reality
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    i understand how astrology and science do not go together but time will tell :wink:
    Since astrology has been 'practised' for some 4500years or so just how much more time do you actually need?
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    lol! i love how truth can be so humorous! all of you have very valid points! and it is severely difficult to argue them. i borrowed a book on astrology from my mother over the weekend and...well lets just say it put doubt in my mind! airy-faery nonsense! HOWEVER i am sure that there is some relevance in the principles behind astrology somewhere. pendragon u say how matter far far away cannot have influences over personality, well surely the moon has an influence over the earth, it has a gravitational pull, no? so if there is a force between a planet and its moon, surely there can be forces between other planets? unless the fact they are in different orbits dispute this? i think they main aspect of astrology is cycles....like the moon is ful and eventually becomes cresent and 3/4 and new etc over a month so do planets orbit around the sun and repeat the cycle every so many light years or whatever. so although astrology is nonsensical with regard to influencing personality it can have relevance with regard to time! or eras/ages etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    pendragon u say how matter far far away cannot have influences over personality, well surely the moon has an influence over the earth, it has a gravitational pull, no? so if there is a force between a planet and its moon, surely there can be forces between other planets? unless the fact they are in different orbits dispute this?
    There's a (huge!) difference between having gravitational interaction between objects and having a flying pile of rock influence our personality! Think about it, what is personality? Is it something physical, which can be altered by a physical interaction? How does this work practically?

    Nobody disputes that there is gravitational force between planets, in fact we used this to calculate the position of Neptune. But you have to think about interaction in very practical terms: gravitation means pulling at something, no more and no less. Influencing personality and behaviour are of a completely different order, and I can't imagine any way in which a pile of rock and gas can do this, no matter the distance. Otherwise your computer would also influence your personality, and your chair etc.


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    i think they main aspect of astrology is cycles....like the moon is ful and eventually becomes cresent and 3/4 and new etc over a month so do planets orbit around the sun and repeat the cycle every so many light years or whatever. so although astrology is nonsensical with regard to influencing personality it can have relevance with regard to time! or eras/ages etc
    I don't really see what you mean with era's/ages. Yes astronomical bodies circle eachother, although this is never a perfect circle (as far as I know). But there's nothing mystical about this, the earth spinning around the sun is no more special then your arms not falling off your body when you're spinning around your own axis. We don't need strange metaphysics to explain these movements, we can measure and calculate them and that's it.
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    i am ashamed to admit this - but you guys are right! HOWEVER!!! There is somthing "more" that influences our being - but this is somewhat a philosophical debate. what i meant by eras is simply patterns in time i guess- but then again one can find patterns in anything. scientifically astrology makes no sense- and if it did exist it would be more evident - i suppose my thinking -of astrology - is/was a result of being brought up in an airy faery home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNeedles
    ..but then again one can find patterns in anything.
    Exactly, that says it all. Good point :wink: It's fascinating how much 'meaning' people can attribute to inanimate matter. I guess it says a lot about human nature: we try to explain everything in terms of meaning. It's like walking through a forest at twilight and seeing faces in every shaded branch. We know they are just objects and shades, but unconsciously the mind keeps looking for something more.
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    yes! the question is why? why are we always looking for something more? wanting more? it is evident in many things...once we have achieved something no longer are we satisfied and move onto something else. we always want to improve, progress, explain everything etc.
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