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    In the past 400 years, there are 4 important gravitational theories.

    1 Aether gravitational theory. (Main representatives are Rene Descartes, Christiaan Huygens and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, in about 100 years, it was widely accepted by scientists)

    2 The law of universal gravitation (Founded by Issac Newton, it's still a dominant gravitational theory)

    3 The general theory of relativity (Founded by Albert Einstein)

    4 Gravitational theory in Quantum physics. ( Founded by scientists in Quantum physics)


    my theory (active resonance) is similar to the first one. The first one, forth one and my theory have one thing in common. We all believe if 2 celestial bodies attract each, there is something between them.

    I have found many proofs which show there is a huge energy line between Sun and the Galactic core. This line is similar to a rope, because this rope, our solar system orbits around the Galactic core.

    In recent years, our Earth is going to cross this rope. Ancient Mayan understand this, they put it in their prophecy.

    There are 3 huge energy lines in our solar system, they are GC-Sun line, Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line. A lot of people died from these 3 giant lines every year.

    Five gravitational theories, which one is correct? Which one is better?

    Theories is not just theories, they are lives.

    2012, it's time for human beings to make a choice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    my theory (active resonance) is similar to the first one.
    Then it is obviously totally wrong.

    I have found many proofs which show there is a huge energy line between Sun and the Galactic core.
    What are these "proofs"?

    In recent years, our Earth is going to cross this rope.
    No it isn't.

    Ancient Mayan understand this, they put it in their prophecy.
    No they didn't.

    There are 3 huge energy lines in our solar system, they are GC-Sun line, Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line. A lot of people died from these 3 giant lines every year.
    No they don't.

    Five gravitational theories, which one is correct? Which one is better?
    Clearly not the one you made up, which doesn't seem to be based on any evidence or mathematics.

    Theories is not just theories, they are lives.
    No, really, they are just theories.

    2012, it's time for human beings to make a choice.
    No it isn't.


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    There are no energy lines, and you never supplied any physical, provable evidence for your supposed hypothesis. Also if we are to believe the 2012 apocalypse ideas, there is no choice to be made as there is no way of affecting the supposed conditions that will create the disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    In the past 400 years, there are 4 important gravitational theories.

    1 Aether gravitational theory. (Main representatives are Rene Descartes, Christiaan Huygens and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, in about 100 years, it was widely accepted by scientists)
    But since has been thoroughly disproved

    2 The law of universal gravitation (Founded by Issac Newton, it's still a dominant gravitational theory)
    Yes applicable for most uses, unless more precision is needed, then--->

    3 The general theory of relativity (Founded by Albert Einstein)
    Also well proven

    4 Gravitational theory in Quantum physics. ( Founded by scientists in Quantum physics)
    There actually is no Gravitational theory in quantum mechanics. It is being worked on but, is far from complete or viable.


    my theory (active resonance) is similar to the first one.
    Oh, the one that's been descredited for nearly a century? I'm shocked!!

    The first one, forth one and my theory have one thing in common. We all believe if 2 celestial bodies attract each, there is something between them.
    There is no connection in the old aether theory, just a medium.

    I have found many proofs which show there is a huge energy line between Sun and the Galactic core. This line is similar to a rope, because this rope, our solar system orbits around the Galactic core.
    And what are those proofs? Where are they? Can you explain them?

    In recent years, our Earth is going to cross this rope.
    Bull

    Ancient Mayan understand this, they put it in their prophecy.
    Balony. The Mayans made no prophecy, they made a freakin' calendar.

    There are 3 huge energy lines in our solar system, they are GC-Sun line, Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line.
    Total fantasy. Where is the evidence, much less a proof?

    A lot of people died from these 3 giant lines every year.
    Where? When? Why? What is the physical mechanism? Where is the proof?

    Five gravitational theories, which one is correct? Which one is better?
    #2 suffices for most circumstances. Close to large masses, # 3 is neede for refinement.

    Exactly what they heck is your theory anyway? A name "active resonance" doesn't tell us anything about it. Speak up.

    Theories is not just theories, they are lives.

    2012, it's time for human beings to make a choice.
    My choice is to wait for you to explain what your wild conjecture is before passing judgement.
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    200 years ago, Mr Henry Cavendish weighed the masses of Earth and Sun with a torsion balance. We all know there are 2 masses in the law of Universal Gravitation, if the masses of Earth and Sun are wrong, this law will become invalid. Then a lot of theories built on this law will collapse.

    Can we really trust Cavendish's experiment. When we calculate the orbit of a man-made satellite which orbits the Earth, we always put the mass of Earth and G (gravitational constant) together, and MG is a constant which we got it from the Kepler's third law. We don't need the G and the mass of Earth at all.

    Someone has to understand me, the reason why scientists accept Cavendish torsion balance experiment is they need it. Without knowing the mass of Earth, they have to accept the truth that they still don't know the average density of Earth. Because Earth science built its theory on this average density, they have to accept the truth that they still know nothing about Earth structure.

    Human beings aren't able to weigh the mass of Earth with a torsion balance. It is not a difficult question, isn’t it?

    You just need to wake up from the Matrix of Mathematics and face the truth.

    It's 2012, it's time for human beings to make a choice.
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    From 1959 to 1961, only in China, millions of people died from famine (probably more than 20 millions). They call it 3 years of natural disasters. It's a nightmare for many Chinese. On 22 May 1960, a M9.5 earthquake hit Chile, which is the biggest one ever recorded.

    During this period, Earth past by 3 huge energy lines (Gc-Sun line, Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line) almost at the same time. This kind of thing happens in about every 60 years (Chinese long calendar)

    Ancient scientists in Babylon, Maya, Greece and China understood this.

    Ancient Greek called Jupiter Zeus for a reason. They understood what Jupiter meant to them.

    Mr Issac Newton stated the gravity is from mystery, how could he really tell us a valid equation to calculate gravity between 2 objects.

    A series of natural disasters will come soon. When I look into the future, I'm worried about people in the third world countries, it's too populous there, there are not enough food for the people in these countries.

    Do something before too late.
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    Physical proof of the existence of any such lines?

    How did you find them?

    "I dont like it" is not a valid reason for asserting that the mass of the earth and sun are wrong. What is your physical, repeatable, testable evidence that proves the mass wrong?
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    By the way, what does the value of G have to do with your imaginary "energy lines" This should be 2 different threads to spread the humor around.
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    We have had this guff before, probably by the same author. Most likely a last frantic flurry of crap, as 2012 rapidly approaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    When I look into the future, I'm worried about people in the third world countries, it's too populous there, there are not enough food for the people in these countries.

    Do something before too late.
    Jin Guangnian
    When I look at these posts I'm worried about the accumulation of cranks on this forum. They are getting too populous here too.
    Do something before it is too late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    From 1959 to 1961, only in China, millions of people died from famine (probably more than 20 millions). They call it 3 years of natural disasters.
    I think you will find there was an insane egomaniac in charge of the country at the time. That seems a more plausible explanation than your fantasies.

    Mr Issac Newton stated the gravity is from mystery, how could he really tell us a valid equation to calculate gravity between 2 objects.
    By using something we like to call "science"; i.e. observations and mathematics. Not by making stuff up.

    When I look into the future, I'm worried about people in the third world countries, it's too populous there, there are not enough food for the people in these countries.
    We can grow enough food for the predicted population of the world. The problem in developing countries is not agriculture. As Amartya Sen noted, famines do not occur in democracies. The solution is to provide good governance and education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post

    "I dont like it" is not a valid reason for asserting that the mass of the earth and sun are wrong. What is your physical, repeatable, testable evidence that proves the mass wrong?
    If you assume a=b+c, after several pages’ calculation, you can still get a conclusion that a=b+c, this is mathematics.

    But you can’t say you have proved a=b+c.

    If you assume the mass of Earth is correct and prove it is correct later, it’s meanlingless.

    I believe you will understand how ridiculous when someone tell you he can weigh the mass of Earth with a torsion balance.
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    [QUOTE=Paleoichneum;299425]

    Physical proof of the existence of any such lines?

    How did you find them?

    [QUOTE]

    About one and a half years ago, I got a weird ratio in my research.

    A1=M1/M2
    A2=M2/M3
    B=A2/A1=100,

    M1 is the mass of Earth, M2 is the mass of 1kg water, M3 is the mass of a proton. This ratio really shocked me, then I looked into how we get the mass of Earth.

    After studying the law of universal gravitation for some time, I made the conclusion that human beings still don’t know the mass of Earth, we just pretend we know it.

    Because scientists in Quantum physics predict if 2 celestial bodies attract each other, they should exchange particles (gravitons). Then I imagine there are graviton lines between GC and Sun, Sun and Jupiter, Sun and Saturn. ( Jupiter and Saturn are much larger than other planets)

    I studied Japan earthquake (2011 M9), Chile earthquake (2010 M8.8), Indonesia Earthquake (2004, M9.1, tsunami later), Chile Earthquake (1960, M9.5) and many other natural disasters, I made a conclusion that the graviton lines are real.

    My theory is similar to the first gravitational theory which was widely accepted by scientists 300 years ago. I got a lot of proofs from ancient astronomy which can prove the lines are real.

    If you stop believing Cavendish’s experiment, you will see a whole different Universe.
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    None of the earthquakes are unexplained though, they all occur exactly where plate tectonics and geophysics say they should. They are not physical evidence of "gravity lines" they are a convenient excuse to asset the line exist when you done have proof of the lines.


    So in other words you DONT have proof that the Cavendish experiment is wrong other then "Idontlikeit"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    From 1959 to 1961, only in China, millions of people died from famine (probably more than 20 millions). They call it 3 years of natural disasters.
    I think you will find there was an insane egomaniac in charge of the country at the time. That seems a more plausible explanation than your fantasies.

    Mr Issac Newton stated the gravity is from mystery, how could he really tell us a valid equation to calculate gravity between 2 objects.
    By using something we like to call "science"; i.e. observations and mathematics. Not by making stuff up.

    When I look into the future, I'm worried about people in the third world countries, it's too populous there, there are not enough food for the people in these countries.
    We can grow enough food for the predicted population of the world. The problem in developing countries is not agriculture. As Amartya Sen noted, famines do not occur in democracies. The solution is to provide good governance and education.
    In many third world countries, the products from their land is just enough for people there in normal years. But if some very serious natural disasters occur and the amount of products reduced, people there will suffer from starvation.

    If the products are just enough for half amount of people and no one want to die, then war is inevitable. War will destroy agriculture as well.

    This kind of thing happens again and again in the history. You cannot always put blame on bad governance and education.

    The population on this planet is over 7 billion, most of them are in third world country. From my theory, a lot of natural disasters will keep coming.

    After about 9 years, Earth is going to pass by the three huge energy lines almost at the same time. This kind of thing happen in about every 60 years. But in 1960, there are only 3 billion people on Earth.

    Ancient scientists in Greece, Babylon, China, Maya and India all know about what Jupiter and Saturn meant to them. But we don’t.

    It’s time to abandon Cavendish’s experiment and face the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    By the way, what does the value of G have to do with your imaginary "energy lines" This should be 2 different threads to spread the humor around.
    My theory is very similar to the Aether gravitational theory, which was the dominant theory 300 years ago. But it was defeated by Mr Newton’s G.

    Actually, this is no G ( gravitational constant) in our Universe.

    Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

    In my theory, gravity between 2 objects changes all the time, which can be affected by surroundings.

    The law of universal gravitation is completely wrong. We should go back to Kepler’s third law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    None of the earthquakes are unexplained though, they all occur exactly where plate tectonics and geophysics say they should. They are not physical evidence of "gravity lines" they are a convenient excuse to asset the line exist when you done have proof of the lines.


    So in other words you DONT have proof that the Cavendish experiment is wrong other then "Idontlikeit"
    Have you ever heard about PDO(Pacific Decadal Oscillation).

    PDO is related to very serious Earthquakes. I found out every time when Earth passes by three huge energy lines, PDO will reach the climax.

    Last time is 1960.

    The time before last time is 1900.

    Next time is 2019.
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    no the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is not related to earthquakes, it is a decadal variation in the temperature of the Pacific ocean, possibly related to the El nino/La nina cycles. Again this has NOTHING to do with physical proof of "gravity lines".
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    In many third world countries, the products from their land is just enough for people there in normal years. But if some very serious natural disasters occur and the amount of products reduced, people there will suffer from starvation.
    So you need good government to manage/promote things like infrastructure, health services, storage of surpluses, education and international trade. You also need to educate the population in order to improve agriculture and reduce population growth.

    What you don't need is loony pseudoscience.

    This kind of thing happens again and again in the history. You cannot always put blame on bad governance and education.
    Funnily enough, you can.

    From my theory, a lot of natural disasters will keep coming.
    They will keep coming despite your "theory". And what is your solution, anyway?

    It’s time to abandon Cavendish’s experiment and face the truth.
    You still haven't explained where the flaw is in that experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    By the way, what does the value of G have to do with your imaginary "energy lines" This should be 2 different threads to spread the humor around.
    My theory is very similar to the Aether gravitational theory, which was the dominant theory 300 years ago. But it was defeated by Mr Newton’s G.

    Actually, this is no G ( gravitational constant) in our Universe.

    Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

    In my theory, gravity between 2 objects changes all the time, which can be affected by surroundings.

    The law of universal gravitation is completely wrong. We should go back to Kepler’s third law.


    No my friend, YOU are the one who is completely wrong here. Newton's laws have been well verified both experimentally and theoretically for over 300 years. As for yourself, all of your arguments are mere conjecture and pseudoscience; you have no actual, verifiable proof for any of your claims. Enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    no the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is not related to earthquakes, it is a decadal variation in the temperature of the Pacific ocean, possibly related to the El nino/La nina cycles. Again this has NOTHING to do with physical proof of "gravity lines".

    stronger earthquakes are related to the cold (cool) phase of PDO (Rama Bradley)

    From 1889, 90% of strongest earthquakes (above M8.5) occured during the cold phase of PDO.
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    In many third world countries, the products from their land is just enough for people there in normal years. But if some very serious natural disasters occur and the amount of products reduced, people there will suffer from starvation.
    we have to understand, no one want to die. If many people can’t get enough food, then war is inevitable. war will destroy a lot of things, including hopes.

    We should tell people in poor countries, tell them when danger comes, how to increase products, how to store surpluses, and most important thing is let them know how to control population growth.

    We can't always put blame on them and do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    We should tell people in poor countries, tell them when danger comes, how to increase products, how to store surpluses, and most important thing is let them know how to control population growth.
    Yes, EDUCATION is the key answer to most problems in developing countries; supported by good government.

    What we don't need to do is tell them about the unsuppoted fantasies of "some guy on the Internet".
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    [QUOTE]
    From my theory, a lot of natural disasters will keep coming.
    They will keep coming despite your "theory". And what is your solution, anyway?[/QUTOE]


    My solution is telling them how to predict natural disasters. People 2000 years ago knew about this, but the method has been forgotten.


    It’s time to abandon Cavendish’s experiment and face the truth.
    You still haven't explained where the flaw is in that experiment.
    someone wake up from a dream and tell me he got the mass of Earth in his dream. I don't believe him, but what I can do is telling him it's just a dream, it's not real.

    Cavendish got the mass of Earth with a torsion balance and 4 lead balls. I don't believe him, what I can do is telling people it's just a torsion balance, we can't get the mass of Earth with a torsion balance.

    if you believe he can, you should stand up and tell the world why he can weigh the mass of Earth with a torsion balance. When we calculate the orbit of a satellite or a planet, we always put M and G together, and MG is a constant from the Kepler's third law.

    Do you know how angry the scientists at Newton's time felt when Mr Newton told them he got an equation to calculate the gravity between 2 objects. And Mr Newton even didn't know where gravity comes from. He said gravity is from mystery.

    Do you know how much the scientists believed in Aether gravitational theory 300 years ago. They loved this theory from their heart.

    If you believe Cavendish's result , please stand up and tell us why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
    By the way, what does the value of G have to do with your imaginary "energy lines" This should be 2 different threads to spread the humor around.
    My theory is very similar to the Aether gravitational theory, which was the dominant theory 300 years ago. But it was defeated by Mr Newton’s G.

    Actually, this is no G ( gravitational constant) in our Universe.

    Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every point mass in the universe attracts every other point mass with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

    In my theory, gravity between 2 objects changes all the time, which can be affected by surroundings.

    The law of universal gravitation is completely wrong. We should go back to Kepler’s third law.
    just imagine we have 2 lead balls (1 kg), the distance between them is 1 meter. from Mr Newton's law, we know the gravity between them is a constant. But what will happen if we put another lead ball (100kg) in the middle of these 2 balls. Is the gravity between these 2 balls still a constant.

    Why gravity between these 2 balls can't be changed by surroundings?

    I found out the law of universal gravitation have 2 faces.

    pretty face: it's the Kepler's third law, when we calculate the orbit of a satellite or a rocket.

    ugly face: it's complete wrong when we use it to calculate the gravity between 2 objects.
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    Cavendish's exp covered a lot of truth.

    It blind us.
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    we don't know how to tell truth.
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    a torsion blance and the mass of Earth,

    a joke, which will last 10,000 years.
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    satellite of Jupiter.jpgEuropa.jpg

    3 satellites of Jupiter,

    why are they so weird?
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    Why galactic core is so important in many acient culture?
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    who made this?
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    how to define truth and proof?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    You still haven't explained where the flaw is in that experiment.
    someone wake up from a dream and tell me he got the mass of Earth in his dream. I don't believe him, but what I can do is telling him it's just a dream, it's not real.

    Cavendish got the mass of Earth with a torsion balance and 4 lead balls. I don't believe him, what I can do is telling people it's just a torsion balance, we can't get the mass of Earth with a torsion balance.
    That's it, you don't believe it? No logical argument? No pointing out the experimental flaw? No errors in the math?
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    My theory is very similar to the Aether gravitational theory, which was the dominant theory 300 years ago. But it was defeated by Mr Newton’s G.
    Yes, because it didn't fit the facts. It was shown to be wrong centuries ago. It wasn't just that Newton's theory was newer; it also explained things.

    What are you going to do next? Explain combustion in terms of phlogiston? Heat as caloric?

    In my theory, gravity between 2 objects changes all the time, which can be affected by surroundings.
    And your evidence for this is?

    We should go back to Kepler’s third law.
    Which can be derived from Newton's laws of gravitation. Can you derive it from your crackpot idea?
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    3 satellites of Jupiter, why are they so weird?
    Weird in what way?
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    Why galactic core is so important in many acient culture?
    Is it? What is your evidence for that?
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    who made this?
    Drunken students, probably.
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    That last flurry of posts with little pictures sure is illuminating.

    Extra Terrestrials
    The Milky Way
    The Earth on a balance
    3 Moons of Jupiter with a picture of a jellyfish, asking why the moons look "weird"
    The galactic core and its importance to ancients
    Crop circles

    It all sounds like a recipe that requires a tin-foil hat to be worn in order to consume it safely. It is your basic woo-woo galactic conspiracy nonsense, which appeals to the weak-minded amongst us (hence the need for all that extra tin-foil protection around the weak mind).

    Tomjin, if you truly believe in that stuff, get help.
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    how to define truth and proof?
    Apparently, if it is in large red letters it must be true.
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    no the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is not related to earthquakes, it is a decadal variation in the temperature of the Pacific ocean, possibly related to the El nino/La nina cycles. Again this has NOTHING to do with physical proof of "gravity lines".

    stronger earthquakes are related to the cold (cool) phase of PDO (Rama Bradley)

    From 1889, 90% of strongest earthquakes (above M8.5) occured during the cold phase of PDO.
    Provide us with the full data set you used to reach this conclusion.
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    who made this?
    People make a living by making crop circles. They use a length of rope and a wooden plank.

    The QI Crop Circle - QI Series 8 Episode 3 Hoaxes Preview - BBC One - YouTube
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    who made this?
    People make a living by making crop circles. They use a length of rope and a wooden plank.

    The QI Crop Circle - QI Series 8 Episode 3 Hoaxes Preview - BBC One - YouTube
    (I have Bacherlor master degree in computers and I'm a MCSE, CCNA, I past CCIE written exam. )

    I also have a lot of experience as a labor in factory, now I'm a local manager in a factory. I know what we can do and what we can't.

    Google crop circles and have a look, they are not form us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    (I have Bacherlor master degree in computers and I'm a MCSE, CCNA, I past CCIE written exam. )

    I also have a lot of experience as a labor in factory, now I'm a local manager in a factory. I know what we can do and what we can't.

    Google crop circles and have a look, they are not form us.
    Yes, you show good skills that indicate you have a degree
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    no the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is not related to earthquakes, it is a decadal variation in the temperature of the Pacific ocean, possibly related to the El nino/La nina cycles. Again this has NOTHING to do with physical proof of "gravity lines".

    stronger earthquakes are related to the cold (cool) phase of PDO (Rama Bradley)

    From 1889, 90% of strongest earthquakes (above M8.5) occured during the cold phase of PDO.
    Provide us with the full data set you used to reach this conclusion.

    earthquake statistics show that from 1889, the global earthquake greater than equal to 8.5 of a total of 21 times, in 1889-1924 occurred in 6 times (twice a year overseas, data 1900-1924), in 1925-1945 occurred in 1 (1), in 1946-1977 occurred in 11 (7), occurred in 1978-2003 0 (0), in 2004-2007, has occurred 3 times. What brand of liquid foundation is good law that Rama Bradley during the cold phase and the concentration of the border is the world's earthquake outbreak period. Bradley entered the 2000 Rama during the cold phase from 2000 to 2035 is the world's earthquake outbreak period [1-7].

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    Still waiting for the actual data. not something copy/pasted from a different website.
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    You still haven't explained where the flaw is in that experiment.
    someone wake up from a dream and tell me he got the mass of Earth in his dream. I don't believe him, but what I can do is telling him it's just a dream, it's not real.

    Cavendish got the mass of Earth with a torsion balance and 4 lead balls. I don't believe him, what I can do is telling people it's just a torsion balance, we can't get the mass of Earth with a torsion balance.
    That's it, you don't believe it? No logical argument? No pointing out the experimental flaw? No errors in the math?
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    Mathematics is treasure for science. But we should use it correctly.

    There are many wrong assumptions in physics.

    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)

    This assumption is wrong, but it’s extremely useful. If the light in Universe can change its speed, then the light from Universe is unreliable. Astronomers have to accept this assumption if they want to make any progress. This is the reason why astronomers love the theory of relativity so much and they are almost the sole supporter of this theory. If the speed of light isn’t a constant, then the unit of light year will become meaningless.

    I don’t want to say someone made some mistakes in the history. I have to say some wrong theories and assumptions are great. In many cases, wrong assumptions are better than standing still.

    5.9746x10^24 kg, this is the mass of Earth. Mr Henry Cavendish weighed it with a torsion balance. Of course , It’s a wrong assumption. But the problem is why almost all scientists accept it.

    This mass of Earth tells us the average density of Earth is 5.5ton/m^3. This density is the basis of Earth science. Without this mass, we have to confess we know nothing about Earth. Based on this density, we know the Earth is a solid ball, there are crust, mantle and core under our feet. We also know the thickness of every layer.

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
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    There are many wrong assumptions in physics.
    That's it? That is the sum total of your argument? No evidence? No experimental results that show current theories to be wrong? Just an unsupported assertion of your disbelief?

    Must try harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Well, every experiment to detect changes in the speed of light has failed spectacularly to do so.

    Meanwhile the postulate that light speed is constant has led to the most successful theories ever. No experiment or observation has contradicted these theories.

    That is what makes the theory "useful" and why it is not just astronomers who hold to it. If our theories of quantum physics were totally wrong then your computer wouldn't work and you wouldn't be here posting these messages. Unfortunately, current theories do work and so we have to put up with you.

    5.9746x10^24 kg, this is the mass of Earth. Mr Henry Cavendish weighed it with a torsion balance. Of course , It’s a wrong assumption.
    Repeating that doesn't make it true. Provide some evidence please.

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.
    Science isn't based on "assumptions" it is based on testing hypotheses and theories with experimental and observational data - you know, the sort of thing you have spectacularly failed to provide so far.

    Apart from your erroneous belief that science is based on "assumptions", you are right, that is how science make progress. Our current theories have passed that test already; older theories have been falsified, the current ones haven't.

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.
    Totally and utterly wrong.

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.
    Garbage. (OK, it is 2012. But the rest is nonsense.)

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Yes every actual scientific experiment (not ideas spouted without evidence like yours) has supported that.

    This assumption is wrong, but it’s extremely useful. If the light in Universe can change its speed, then the light from Universe is unreliable. Astronomers have to accept this assumption if they want to make any progress. This is the reason why astronomers love the theory of relativity so much and they are almost the sole supporter of this theory. If the speed of light isn’t a constant, then the unit of light year will become meaningless.
    No it's right, it's your pseudoscientific posts that are meaningless...


    5.9746x10^24 kg, this is the mass of Earth. Mr Henry Cavendish weighed it with a torsion balance. Of course , It’s a wrong assumption. But the problem is why almost all scientists accept it.
    And of course, since then, it has been measured many other times an many ways and has become more precise, as discussed above. The current measurement is
    5.9722 × 10^24 kg.



    This mass of Earth tells us the average density of Earth is 5.5ton/m^3.

    Why do you switch to a non-SI expression for the density? It's 5.513 g/cm 3, not 5.5ton/m^3.

    This density is the basis of Earth science.
    Why?

    Without this mass, we have to confess we know nothing about Earth.
    No we don't.

    Based on this density, we know the Earth is a solid ball, there are crust, mantle and core under our feet. We also know the thickness of every layer.

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
    Yes, unforunately, the year of the woos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
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    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Yes every actual scientific experiment (not ideas spouted without evidence like yours) has supported that.
    please give one
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    5.9746x10^24 kg, this is the mass of Earth. Mr Henry Cavendish weighed it with a torsion balance. Of course , It’s a wrong assumption. But the problem is why almost all scientists accept it.
    And of course, since then, it has been measured many other times an many ways and has become more precise, as discussed above. The current measurement is
    5.9722 × 10^24 kg.
    Your answer is very typical. I really heard about someone weighes the mass of Earth and Sun with one bronze ball and someone weighes the mass of Earth and Sun with atoms.

    They are really very great.
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    This mass of Earth tells us the average density of Earth is 5.5ton/m^3.

    Why do you switch to a non-SI expression for the density? It's 5.513 g/cm 3, not 5.5ton/m^3.
    [/QUOTE]

    5.513g/cm3 or 5.5ton/m^3. it doesn't matter, they are all fake.
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    This density is the basis of Earth science.
    Why?[/QUTOE]

    5.513g/cm3 is the most important thing for Earth Science. You need to learn the history of Earth Science. How they designed the first Earth density model.

    Without this mass, we have to confess we know nothing about Earth.
    No we don't.
    Yes, You do, if you know there is an inner Universe in Earth and it's diameter is more than 10,000 km.


    Based on this density, we know the Earth is a solid ball, there are crust, mantle and core under our feet. We also know the thickness of every layer.

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
    Yes, unforunately, the year of the woos.
    2012 is not the end. but it will be remembered for a very long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    This density is the basis of Earth science.
    Why?
    5.513g/cm3 is the most important thing for Earth Science. You need to learn the history of Earth Science. How they designed the first Earth density model.
    Per what source? You have continually asserted this, but you have not provided any backing to show you actually have any experiance with earth sciences. I can tell you now that the density of the earth has little to no bearing what so ever on paleontology and related disciplines such as sedimentology.

    Without this mass, we have to confess we know nothing about Earth.
    No we don't.
    Yes, You do, if you know there is an inner Universe in Earth and it's diameter is more than 10,000 km.
    Again what is your source for hte assertion that one number, which is not used in many of the earth sciences, destroys everything.


    Based on this density, we know the Earth is a solid ball, there are crust, mantle and core under our feet. We also know the thickness of every layer.

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
    Provide your data end experiments setups that you used to prove all the seismology, volcanology, and geology theories wrong. (NO your incredulity regarding the measurement of the density of the earth is not a valid reason)

    Yes, unforunately, the year of the woos.
    2012 is not the end. but it will be remembered for a very long time.
    Only if you fall of the badly hyped propaganda of the apocalypse proponents.

    OH and we are still waiting for actual physical evidence of any sort of "gravity lines". Your circumstantial earthquake postulates do not cut it as they do not show anything off planet and are validly explained by plate tectonics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    Your answer is very typical. I really heard about someone weighes the mass of Earth and Sun with one bronze ball and someone weighes the mass of Earth and Sun with atoms.

    They are really very great.
    They are both amazing and great.(*)

    How would you measure the mass and/or density of the earth?

    (*) Bonus points for anyone recognizing the quotation!
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    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Well, every experiment to detect changes in the speed of light has failed spectacularly to do so.

    Meanwhile the postulate that light speed is constant has led to the most successful theories ever. No experiment or observation has contradicted these theories.

    That is what makes the theory "useful" and why it is not just astronomers who hold to it. If our theories of quantum physics were totally wrong then your computer wouldn't work and you wouldn't be here posting these messages. Unfortunately, current theories do work and so we have to put up with you.[/QUTOE]
    light is aether wave, because it's a kind of wave, so the speed of light is stable.

    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). This is wrong.

    100 years ago. scientists loved aether theory so much, do you know why they eventually abandoned this theory. 19th aether theory states that the light from Universe is unreliable. This is a truth, but it is a terrible truth, it blocks any chance to make progress for astronomy. Scientists had to turn a blind eye to this truth, they have no other choice.

    it's very easy to prove the speed of light is a constant if you want to prove it.

    With the help of the theory of relativity, Quantum physics defeated aether theory. Quantum physics shouldn’t build all its theories on Millikan oil drop exp. The mass of an electron is 0.0000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00091g. What will happen if Millikan couldn’t weigh the mass of electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops.

    Believe me, there is no electron in atoms. Electron is a kind of energy sent out by atoms. You don’t need to imagine how 100 electrons orbit around a nucleus.

    Why a computer still work if Quantum physics are wrong, the reason is engineers are very great.

    5.9746x10^24 kg, this is the mass of Earth. Mr Henry Cavendish weighed it with a torsion balance. Of course , It’s a wrong assumption.
    Repeating that doesn't make it true. Provide some evidence please.
    You have already been blinded by Cavendish’s exp, do you know how to recognize evidence if I give you one?

    Wrong assumption is the way to truth. We make an assumption first, then someday, someone make a better assumption to replace the old one. That’s how science makes progress.
    Science isn't based on "assumptions" it is based on testing hypotheses and theories with experimental and observational data - you know, the sort of thing you have spectacularly failed to provide so far.

    Apart from your erroneous belief that science is based on "assumptions", you are right, that is how science make progress. Our current theories have passed that test already; older theories have been falsified, the current ones haven't.
    I heard about a research team spent several years to prove Cavendish’s experiment is correct. They experienced countless failures, eventually they got a result that proved Cavendish’s experiment is correct. Then they published this result and got the reward. Can we call it a test?

    Science history is a history of choosing assumptions. Scientists only choose useful assumptions. Normally, they don’t have the ability to choose correct assumption, because if they know which one is correct and which is wrong, then assumption is not an assumption.
    Totally and utterly wrong.
    Do you know what correct or wrong mean?

    It’s 2012, it’s time to abandon old assumptions. It’s time for people on this planet to know the truth of our Universe. It’s very challenging and shocking, but it’s also very exciting.
    Garbage. (OK, it is 2012. But the rest is nonsense.)

    2012, it’s time to enter new era.
    It ‘s a war between aether theory and anti-aether theory. Aether theory was the dominant theory in 17th century and 19th century. It will be dominant theory in 21th century. No one can change this. You need to week up from the Matrix of mathematics

    Human beings is able to weigh the masses of Earth and Sun with a torsion balance. It’s a joke which will last 5,000 years. Gravity is from curved space, string theory and 10 dimensional space, big bang theory. What are these, science fiction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    light is aether wave, because it's a kind of wave, so the speed of light is stable.
    Prove it.

    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). This is wrong.
    Prove it.

    100 years ago. scientists loved aether theory so much, do you know why they eventually abandoned this theory.
    Because the evidence didn't support it. (The aether is pretty implausible, physically, as well so I imagine most people were glad to see it disproved.)

    19th aether theory states that the light from Universe is unreliable. This is a truth, but it is a terrible truth, it blocks any chance to make progress for astronomy. Scientists had to turn a blind eye to this truth, they have no other choice.
    Nonsense. (I assume you have no evidence for this bizarre fantasy?)

    it's very easy to prove the speed of light is a constant if you want to prove it.
    That is correct. And, oddly, it is impossible to prove the opposite.

    With the help of the theory of relativity, Quantum physics defeated aether theory.
    Quantum theory has nothing to do with the aether.

    Quantum physics shouldn’t build all its theories on Millikan oil drop exp.
    It doesn't.

    The mass of an electron is 0.0000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00091g. What will happen if Millikan couldn’t weigh the mass of electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops.
    Well, firstly, he didn't measure the mass of the electron; he determined the charge on a single electron. Secondly what is the point of asking "what if he couldn't" when he did.

    Believe me, there is no electron in atoms.
    Why should anyone believe you when you provide zero evidence?

    the reason is engineers are very great.
    Why, thank you. (Both amazing and great.)

    do you know how to recognize evidence if I give you one?
    Yes. Do you have any?

    Do you know what correct or wrong mean?
    In science, "correct" means supported by evidence and not contradicted by any evidence. Wrong means falsified by experiment or observation (like the aether and just about everything else you have said).

    Do you know what "assumption" means? Do you know how science works?

    It ‘s a war between aether theory and anti-aether theory.
    Of course it isn't. Aether theory is long dead. Why don't any cranks try and revive phlogiston, that's what I want to know.

    It will be dominant theory in 21th century.
    Of course it won't. Unless someone comes up with some exciting new evidence of course.
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    Although Millikan's result provides a good example of how science works despite human frailty and bias: Oil drop experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Even for Psudoscience, this thread is plain nutty.

    I think even trash isn't low enough.
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    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Yes every actual scientific experiment (not ideas spouted without evidence like yours) has supported that.
    please give one
    Well, we could start with the original: Michelson - Morley, and the various subsequent versions of the experiment performed for a whole year, whilst the Earth travels around the Sun, which shows the speed of light to be isotropic, regardless of the fact the Earth's velocity relative to the Sun changes over the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    light is aether wave, because it's a kind of wave, so the speed of light is stable.
    But why, then, is it constant?

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    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). This is wrong.
    Evidence for this claim? Have you managed to measure a variation in 'c'?

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    100 years ago. scientists loved aether theory so much, do you know why they eventually abandoned this theory.
    Because experiments showed that the speed of light was constant. This observation was the basis for Einstein's [special] relativity.

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    19th aether theory states that the light from Universe is unreliable.
    Should I ignore its critique on my novel, then?

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    it's very easy to prove the speed of light is a constant if you want to prove it.
    Erm, you could try looking at every single measurement ever made?

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    With the help of the theory of relativity, Quantum physics defeated aether theory.
    Nonsense. Ether theory was abandoned decades before quantum physics took off.

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    Quantum physics shouldn’t build all its theories on Millikan oil drop exp.
    No it doesn't, but anyway...

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    The mass of an electron is 0.0000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00091g. What will happen if Millikan couldn’t weigh the mass of electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops.
    He could, and we still can. And we can also measure the mass of an electron using a simple magnetic setup.

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    Believe me, there is no electron in atoms.
    I don't believe you. Why should I?

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    Electron is a kind of energy sent out by atoms.
    And being energy, it also has mass. And we also noticed that it has a negative charge. And a magnetic spin. So what?

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    You don’t need to imagine how 100 electrons orbit around a nucleus.
    True, in that the 2-d 'orbit' model is outdated and oversimplified.

    HowStuffWorks "How Atoms Work"


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    Why a computer still work if Quantum physics are wrong, the reason is engineers are very great.
    Ha, ok.

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    It ‘s a war between aether theory and anti-aether theory.
    That's fine, they can fight it out on the fringe while we pointedly ignore them.

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    Aether theory was the dominant theory in 17th century and 19th century.
    So any old theory must be right?

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    You need to week up from the Matrix of mathematics
    Sure thing.

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    Human beings is able to weigh the masses of Earth and Sun with a torsion balance. It’s a joke which will last 5,000 years. Gravity is from curved space, string theory and 10 dimensional space, big bang theory. What are these, science fiction?
    If you don't understand, it's ok to ask for help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
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    For example, the speed of light is a constant. Do you really believe no matter what your speed is , the speed of light is a constant for you.(keep same direction)
    Yes every actual scientific experiment (not ideas spouted without evidence like yours) has supported that.
    please give one
    Well, we could start with the original: Michelson - Morley, and the various subsequent versions of the experiment performed for a whole year, whilst the Earth travels around the Sun, which shows the speed of light to be isotropic, regardless of the fact the Earth's velocity relative to the Sun changes over the year.

    Michelson-Morley experiment: It's one of the most beautiful experiments in science history. I like it. I remembered Micheloson wanted to prove aether is real, but he was disappointed. Michelson was an aether supporter for the rest of his life, he didn't change his mind.

    You have to understand, scientists in astronomy need the conclusion that the speed of light is a constant. They can’t follow light from another galaxy all the way to your eyes, they don’t have a change to measure how the speed of light changes. In order to get the conclusion, they will turn a blind eye to any reasonable explanation. That’s why they support Einstein’s theory so much. Arthur Stanley Eddington was the first one.

    I give you an explanation. But no matter how reasonable it is, I don’t think you want to accept it, because you have already made up your mind to ignore any reasonable explanation. You just don't know it.

    100 years ago, every scientist believed light will change its direction if aether moves. Base on this, Michelson and Morley designed MM experiment.

    Now, with the development of ultrasonic, engineers already know high frequency ultrasonic doesn’t change it direction when air moves

    My conclusion is light doesn’t change its direction when aether moves, because the energy in light is too much for aether to move it.

    MM experiment can’t deny aether and it can’t tell us the speed of light is a constant either.

    If you accept my explanation, modern astronomy will collapse. Without light year, how to measure distance in astronomy?


    Face it or still turn a blind eye to it.

    2012, making choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    light is aether wave, because it's a kind of wave, so the speed of light is stable.
    Prove it.
    It has already been proved by scientists in 19th century.

    [QUOET]
    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). This is wrong.
    Prove it.[/QUOTE]

    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). It's nonsense, I don't need to prove it.

    100 years ago. scientists loved aether theory so much, do you know why they eventually abandoned this theory.
    Because the evidence didn't support it. (The aether is pretty implausible, physically, as well so I imagine most people were glad to see it disproved.)

    Abandon aether theory, you have to accept curved space, 10 dimensional space (string theory), big bang theory. Quantum physics tells us there is no aether, but there is a kind of particle everywhere in the Universe. Its name is Higgs boson (God particle). Can any of these be proved.

    Anti-aether theory block the way to truth.

    19th aether theory states that the light from Universe is unreliable. This is a truth, but it is a terrible truth, it blocks any chance to make progress for astronomy. Scientists had to turn a blind eye to this truth, they have no other choice.
    Nonsense. (I assume you have no evidence for this bizarre fantasy?)
    The theory of relativity gives astronomer assumption, astronomers support the theory of relativity. You should understand the relationship between them.

    it's very easy to prove the speed of light is a constant if you want to prove it.
    That is correct. And, oddly, it is impossible to prove the opposite.
    The speed of light is almost a constant on Earth surface. It’s correct, because it’s aether wave. The speed of sound is also almost a constant on the surface of Earth.

    But it doesn’t mean no matter what your speed is ,the speed of light is a constant.

    We shouldn’t keep talking it is correct just because we need it.

    [QUTOE]
    With the help of the theory of relativity, Quantum physics defeated aether theory.
    Quantum theory has nothing to do with the aether.[/QUOTE]

    You should learn some history of physics. Quantum theory defeated aether theory, from the moment Millikan weighed the mass of an electron with 2 metal plates.

    Obviously you don’t know how intense the fighting between Quantum physics and aether theory is.

    I almost never heard any famous aether supporter changed their mind and believed in Quantum physics, they kept their belief until they dies.

    When young generation grew up, they chose Quantum physics, because Quantum physics can tell them more.

    The current mass of electron is 9.10938188 × 10-31 kg, it’s widely accepted by modern scientists. Do you know how hard to get the mass of a cell. Quantum physics use this kind of super-accurate value defeated its enemy. Can’t they just tell us , probably the mass of electron is around 10^-31kg or 10^-30kg. It looks more real.

    The aether theory is an honest theory, it can’t tell us that much. But Quantum physics is almighty.

    After comparing these 2 theories, young generation chose Quantum physics without any hesitation.

    Quantum physics shouldn’t build all its theories on Millikan oil drop exp.
    It doesn't.
    YES, It does.

    [QUTOE]
    The mass of an electron is 0.0000 00000 00000 00000 00000 00091g. What will happen if Millikan couldn’t weigh the mass of electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops.
    Well, firstly, he didn't measure the mass of the electron; he determined the charge on a single electron. Secondly what is the point of asking "what if he couldn't" when he did.[/QUOTE]

    Again, you are wrong. Before Millikan oil drop experiment, no one knew the mass of electron. So it’s he who weighed the mass of electron. He not only got the mass of Electron, he also got the mass of proton. Millikan oil drop experiment also help to get the PLANCK CONSTANT. Everything in Quantum physics is on Millikan’s experiment.

    Believe me, there is no electron in atoms.
    Why should anyone believe you when you provide zero evidence?
    This atom model is my conclusion. If you are interested, you can help to prove it.

    There is only one particle in atom, it’s proton. Neutron is no different from proton in atom nucleus. Electron is not a component of atom, it’s a kind of energy sent out by atom.


    It is a result scientists have been looking for it for more than 2000 years.

    the reason is engineers are very great.
    Why, thank you. (Both amazing and great.)

    I respect engineers very much, they are real hero in 20th century.

    do you know how to recognize evidence if I give you one?
    Yes. Do you have any?
    In theoretical physics, you call something evidence when you feel it is useful.

    Do you know what correct or wrong mean?
    In science, "correct" means supported by evidence and not contradicted by any evidence. Wrong means falsified by experiment or observation (like the aether and just about everything else you have said).

    Do you know what "assumption" means? Do you know how science works?

    It ‘s a war between aether theory and anti-aether theory.
    Of course it isn't. Aether theory is long dead. Why don't any cranks try and revive phlogiston, that's what I want to know.
    We don’t need to abandon aether, we need to know what is aether.

    It will be dominant theory in 21th century.
    Of course it won't. Unless someone comes up with some exciting new evidence of course.
    Evidence is everywhere. You will see them after stopping believing human being is able to weigh the mass of Earth with a torsion balance.
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    again with the "lalalaIDONTLIKEITlala" answer. That is all you have presented in any of your posts. You do not actually ahve any evidence that disproves the modern theories, just arguments from incredulity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    It has already been proved by scientists in 19th century.
    No, they proved the exact opposite. Unless you would like to provide an example of an experiment that confirms the existence of an aether?

    The theory of relativity tells us no matter what you speed is, the speed of light is a constant (keep same direction). It's nonsense, I don't need to prove it.
    Yes you do. The whole point of science is to provide tests of theories even if they don't match our "common sense".

    As you don't have any evidence to support this claim, we can assume it is incorrect.

    Abandon aether theory, you have to accept curved space, 10 dimensional space (string theory), big bang theory.
    String theory has nothing to do with the aether. And is not an accepted theory currently.

    The big bang theory has nothing to do with the aether, either.

    Quantum physics tells us there is no aether
    No it doesn't. Measurements intended to detect the aether tell us there is no aether.

    ut there is a kind of particle everywhere in the Universe. Its name is Higgs boson
    Well, strictly speaking, the Higg's field is everywhere. But so what?

    Can any of these be proved.
    Have you heard of the LHC? Again, do you know how science works? Clearly not.

    Anti-aether theory block the way to truth.
    Meaningless.

    The theory of relativity gives astronomer assumption, astronomers support the theory of relativity. You should understand the relationship between them.
    "Assumption"? You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    The theory of relativity gives astronomers a sound theoretical basis for their work. For example, it predicts the observed expansion of the universe.

    But it doesn’t mean no matter what your speed is ,the speed of light is a constant.
    Prove it isn't.

    We shouldn’t keep talking it is correct just because we need it.
    No, we should stick with the evidence.

    You should learn some history of physics.
    Oh, the irony.

    Quantum theory defeated aether theory, from the moment Millikan weighed the mass of an electron with 2 metal plates.
    Could you explain the relationship between that and the aether?

    Obviously you don’t know how intense the fighting between Quantum physics and aether theory is.
    There is no "fight" at all. Aether theory is dead, buried and forgotten except by historians of science and a few ignorant cranks.

    I almost never heard any famous aether supporter changed their mind and believed in Quantum physics, they kept their belief until they dies.
    Even if that factoid were true, so what. That is not scientific evidence for anything (except perhaps, something about human nature).

    The current mass of electron is 9.10938188 × 10-31 kg, it’s widely accepted by modern scientists. Do you know how hard to get the mass of a cell. Quantum physics use this kind of super-accurate value defeated its enemy. Can’t they just tell us , probably the mass of electron is around 10^-31kg or 10^-30kg. It looks more real.
    I think they should use the most accurate value they can measure. The fact you don't like it is irrelevant.

    The aether theory is an honest theory, it can’t tell us that much.
    It is dead because it is useless. It can't tell us anything.

    But Quantum physics is almighty.
    It is pretty good. I would go so far as to say it is both amazing and great.

    After comparing these 2 theories, young generation chose Quantum physics without any hesitation.
    Yep. Because it works and aether theory doesn't.

    Quantum physics shouldn’t build all its theories on Millikan oil drop exp.
    It doesn't.
    YES, It does.
    Prove it. All you do is make assertions with no evidence, no references, nothing except your opinions and incredulity. All this is based on nothing but your ignorance of science and, I assume, some blind religious belief.

    This atom model is my conclusion. If you are interested, you can help to prove it.
    You can't prove it because it is nonsense. There is no evidence for this crackpot idea and vast amounts of evidence against it.

    It is a result scientists have been looking for it for more than 2000 years.
    Of course it isn't. It is a fantasy made up by some guy on the internet.

    do you know how to recognize evidence if I give you one?
    Yes. Do you have any?
    In theoretical physics, you call something evidence when you feel it is useful.
    Is that your way of admitting you have no evidence?

    We don’t need to abandon aether, we need to know what is aether.
    No we don't. It doesn't exist. There is NO EVIDENCE for it.


    Evidence is everywhere.
    And yet, oddly, you have been able to show exactly none. Why is that?
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    "Strange" and "drowsy turtle", I applaud your patience in dealing with this. Even as far as cranks go, this is pretty high up there on the "most ignorant" list...
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    Sadly, I have nothing better to do than repeatedly point out his errors and lies.
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    Does this have something to do with a Universal Alteration or Global Apocalypse this year, 2012?
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    Does this have something to do with a Universal Alteration or Global Apocalypse this year, 2012?
    Who knows. It seems to have equally little basis in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    If you accept my explanation, modern astronomy will collapse.
    But your explanation simply contradicts the all the experimental evidence (which, for some strange reason, you do not seem to understand), so why should I accept it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Still waiting for the actual data. not something copy/pasted from a different website.
    Then I have to do it by myself.

    According to the theory of active resonance, Sun, Galactic Core, Jupiter and Saturn have the strongest influences on Earth. If GC-Sun line, Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line are very close to each other, when Earth crosses these three lines, there will be very serious natural disasters on Earth.

    In the last 100 years, this kind of thing happened once, it's from late may, 1960 to early july, 1960. You can Google Great Chilean Earthquake and have a look. The strongest Earthquake ever recorded, M9.5.


    In 1960, PDO reached its climax. From 1945 to 1975, PDO cool phase

    In 1900, PDO reached its climax From 1885 to 1915, PDO cool phase
    In 1919, PDO will reach its climax again. From 2004 to 2034, PDO cool phase.

    1. May, 1960 Chile M9.5
    2. Mar, 1964 USA M9.2
    3. Dec, 2004 Indonesia M9.1
    4. Feb 2010 Chile M8.8
    5. Mar 2011 Japan M8.8
    6. Mar 2005 Indonesia M8.7

    The most serious Earthquakes (6) in PDO cool phase. Isn’t it clear enough?

    Evidence is everywhere, as long as you abandon Cavendish's experiment. He wasn't able to weigh the masses of Sun and Earth with a torsion balance. There are 2 masses in the law of universal gravitation, if the masses are wrong, this low will become invalid, then a lot of theories built on this law will collapse.

    Please wake up from the Matrix of mathematics, and face the truth.





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    From the conclusion of the theory of active resonance (Eather dynamic theory), some very serious natural disasters will happen if Earth crosses huge energy lines. Please remember, Crossing is not passing by.

    For example, every year, Earth passes by Sun-Jupiter line, some big natural disasters always happen in this kind of situation. But if Earth crosses this energy line in the middle, thing will be quite different. It’s hard to describe how big it is.

    Because the radius of Earth orbit is about 150 million km, which means if the angle between Sun-Earth line and Sun-Jupiter line is only 1 degree, the distance between Earth and Sun-Jupiter line is still more than 2 million km.

    No matter how rare it is, Earth is going to cross Sun-Jupiter line one day. We should know about this.

    We also need to pay attention GC-Sun line and Sun-Saturn line. I believe Mayan understood GC-Sun line, this line is related to Mayan prophecy. I don’t think 2012 is the end, we already have very advanced technology.

    We should ask ourselves, why ancient Greek called Jupiter Zeus? Why ancient Chinese called Jupiter Taisui (A very scary thing ).

    Why Mayan built so many Pyramids. They just want to worship something meaningless, is it correct?
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    No one remembers how intense the war between Aether theory and Quantum physics was.

    The mass of an electron is 9.109 382 15(45) × 10^(-31) kg. It's really super accurate.

    Can it be more fake?

    Do you know how hard to get the mass of a cell.

    Super accurate value is the weapon of Quantum Physics. Can you believe Millikan weigh the mass of Electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops?

    That's how Quantum physics won the war.

    Please wake up from the matrix of mathematics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    The most serious Earthquakes (6) in PDO cool phase. Isn’t it clear enough?

    Evidence is everywhere, as long as you abandon Cavendish's experiment. He wasn't able to weigh the masses of Sun and Earth with a torsion balance. There are 2 masses in the law of universal gravitation, if the masses are wrong, this low will become invalid, then a lot of theories built on this law will collapse.

    Please wake up from the Matrix of mathematics, and face the truth.

    No it's not clear enough at all. There are some major problems with your model :

    1. Saturn lies about 2.5 degrees above the ecliptic plane, so Earth never crosses an imaginary Saturn-Sun line
    2. Jupiter-Sun and Saturn-Sun lines never coincide, because of point (1)
    3. Sun-GC line faces in an entirely different direction altogether, and never coincides with either Sun-Jupiter or Sun-Saturn axis
    4. Sun-GC line does not intersect Earth's orbit, so Earth never crosses this line at all
    5. Because of above points, these three imaginary lines can never coincide
    6. Earth crosses Sun-Jupiter line once every year, so why don't we get major disasters every year ??

    As for the Cavendish Experiment - this experiment has been repeated many hundreds of times by different people with exactly the same outcome ? In fact, you can do this experiment yourself in your very own house given a little bit of time and ingenuity. Furthermore, there are other ways to experimentally determine G, even without using the Earth's gravity. All these experiments yield the same result. Can you explain this ?
    And next time you turn on your TV at home you might ask yourself how come the satellite that transmits your TV signal stays in orbit, since Newton's laws are supposedly wrong...

    Yes, please wake up and face the truth, which is that there is no evidence for any power lines, and that Newton's laws work perfectly well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    Super accurate value is the weapon of Quantum Physics. Can you believe Millikan weigh the mass of Electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops?
    No need to believe anything, I have done this experiment myself in high school, and saw for myself how well it works
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    No matter how rare it is, Earth is going to cross Sun-Jupiter line one day. We should know about this.
    Yeah, it does so once every year...usually nothing happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    From the conclusion of the theory of active resonance (Eather dynamic theory), some very serious natural disasters will happen if Earth crosses huge energy lines. Please remember, Crossing is not passing by.
    As you haven't even provided evidence that such "energy lines" exist, this is all irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    No one remembers how intense the war between Aether theory and Quantum physics was.
    Because it ever happened.

    The mass of an electron is 9.109 382 15(45) × 10^(-31) kg. It's really super accurate.

    Can it be more fake?
    Earlier you agreed that engineers were both amazing and great. It is an engineering problem to measure things to this level of accuracy. Something that engineers are really, really good at.

    Super accurate value is the weapon of Quantum Physics. Can you believe Millikan weigh the mass of Electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops?
    Yep. I imagine several people here have repeated the experiment. You could do it yourself if your cared to.

    Please wake up from the matrix of mathematics.
    Please wake up from your matrix of ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    No matter how rare it is, Earth is going to cross Sun-Jupiter line one day. We should know about this.
    Yeah, it does so once every year...usually nothing happens
    Then, April and May, 2012,

    have a good look.

    cloud in the sky.

    don't miss it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    Super accurate value is the weapon of Quantum Physics. Can you believe Millikan weigh the mass of Electron with 2 metal plates and several oil drops?
    No need to believe anything, I have done this experiment myself in high school, and saw for myself how well it works

    next time, ask yourself.

    if the radius of oil drop is around 10^-6m, where is the Brownian motion.

    i wish you take a photo of the oil drop and get its radius, then compare it with the calculated value, result will shock you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    From the conclusion of the theory of active resonance (Eather dynamic theory), some very serious natural disasters will happen if Earth crosses huge energy lines. Please remember, Crossing is not passing by.
    As you haven't even provided evidence that such "energy lines" exist, this is all irrelevant.
    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    i wish you take a photo of the oil drop and get its radius, then compare it with the calculated value, result will shock you.
    Huh? The radius is measured not not calculated. So you suggest taking a picture and measuring the radius to compare with the measured radius?

    What exactly is the point of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
    No you haven't. You have provided fairy stories.
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    No matter how rare it is, Earth is going to cross Sun-Jupiter line one day. We should know about this.
    Yeah, it does so once every year...usually nothing happens
    Then, April and May, 2012,

    have a good look.

    cloud in the sky.

    don't miss it.
    Oh boy, you really have no idea what you are talking about, do you ?
    Earth is nowhere near the imaginary Sun-Jupiter line in April/May 2012 - in fact Jupiter is on the opposite side of the sun during that time ??
    And since we are already at it - I have run a quick simulation, just out of interest, and it turns out that the Earth was not near your alleged lines on any of the dates given by you in the earlier post. The only time when it was anywhere near the Sun-Jupiter line was in May 2005, albeit still with a 5 degree difference ( that's a couple million miles ! ).
    So how do you explain that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post

    next time, ask yourself.

    if the radius of oil drop is around 10^-6m, where is the Brownian motion.

    i wish you take a photo of the oil drop and get its radius, then compare it with the calculated value, result will shock you.


    The only thing that shocks me here is your complete refusal to accept physical reality !
    I already told you that I have myself performed this experiment, and so have countless generations of physics students. It's a standard experiment in any physics course, and everytime you perform it right you get exactly what you are supposed to get. It is repeatable, one of the basic requirements of scientific investigation. You measure the oil drop, you know it's density, and you know gravity and electric field strength. That is all there is to it - couldn't really be any simpler ! You don't need any photos, nor do you need to calculate the drop's size - what's this about ??
    What does Brownian motion go to do with this anyway ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
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    From the conclusion of the theory of active resonance (Eather dynamic theory), some very serious natural disasters will happen if Earth crosses huge energy lines. Please remember, Crossing is not passing by.
    As you haven't even provided evidence that such "energy lines" exist, this is all irrelevant.
    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
    No you haven't, in fact any solar system simulator ( loads of them available free online ) will immediately proof you wrong. Your model has been conclusively disproved. You are finished here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
    No you haven't. You've provided no evidence whatsoever. You've just said this is true and that is true. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word evidence as it pertains to the scientific method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne View Post
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    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
    No you haven't. You've provided no evidence whatsoever. You've just said this is true and that is true. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word evidence as it pertains to the scientific method.
    Is there anything between Galactic core and Sun, Sun and Jupiter, Sun and Saturn? Only 2 answers for this question. Yes or No.

    Aether gravitational theory(17th century), Quantum physics, and the theory of active resonance say yes.
    The law of universal gravitation and the theory of relativity say no.

    In 2011, Jupiter, Sun and Saturn formed one line, which means Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line overlapped. This kind of situation not only causes trouble to Earth, it also causes trouble to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn.

    At the beginning of April, Earth past by this line. In about 2 months, Earth was seriously affected by this line.

    You can find out what had happen during this period. Japanese Earthquake, USA tornado, Chinese drought, and many other huge natural disasters.

    In October, Earth crossed this line again and a lot of natural disasters hit Earth again, which includes flood in Thailand and Central America.

    Many ancient cultures understood this, they called it a cycle. They knew this kind of thing represents starvation and war.

    Do you know why there were so many political instability in Middle East, and even in western countries. Because of serious natural disasters, the supply of food reduced, which caused inflation. People didn't have enough money for other products, which caused economic crisis.

    The cycle is about 20 years. Last time, when Sun, Jupiter and Saturn formed one line, serious natural disasters caused the radical change of Eastern Europe and the breakup of the USSR.

    In 2012, Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are still near a line. In April and May, pay attention to the sky. You will notice splendid cloud change if the sky in your town hasn’t been badly polluted.

    And I call these evidences.
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    the lines dont exist except in your mind so the assertion that event happened because of them fails
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
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    I predict they are real and I have already provided evidence.
    No you haven't. You've provided no evidence whatsoever. You've just said this is true and that is true. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word evidence as it pertains to the scientific method.
    Is there anything between Galactic core and Sun, Sun and Jupiter, Sun and Saturn? Only 2 answers for this question. Yes or No. .
    The clear answer is NO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    No matter how rare it is, Earth is going to cross Sun-Jupiter line one day. We should know about this.
    Yeah, it does so once every year...usually nothing happens [IMG]file:///C:/Users/tom/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.png[/IMG]
    Then, April and May, 2012,

    have a good look.

    cloud in the sky.

    don't miss it.
    Oh boy, you really have no idea what you are talking about, do you ?
    Earth is nowhere near the imaginary Sun-Jupiter line in April/May 2012 - in fact Jupiter is on the opposite side of the sun during that time ??
    And since we are already at it - I have run a quick simulation, just out of interest, and it turns out that the Earth was not near your alleged lines on any of the dates given by you in the earlier post. The only time when it was anywhere near the Sun-Jupiter line was in May 2005, albeit still with a 5 degree difference ( that's a couple million miles ! ).
    So how do you explain that ?
    I should say thank you.

    You are a person who really study my theory carefully, that's why you can give this reply.

    In the theory of active resonance (Aether dynamic theory), there is a rope between Sun and Jupiter, it's a kind of energy line. This line is from Sun, after crossing Jupiter, its energy become stronger and it goes to deep Universe.

    This line also has very strong influence on the opposite direction. We know Moon not only causes tide on the surface of Earth near it, it also causes tidy on the opposite surface. The explanation is similar.

    I treat Sun-Jupiter line as a straight line, which crosses Sun and Jupiter. The diameter of this energy line is about the diameter of Jupiter.

    When the angle between Sun-Earth line and Sun-Jupiter line is less than 30 degree, Earth will be affected. (the period is about 2 month every time, 4 month a year. 1 day is about 1 degree, that's why ancient scientists defined a circle 360 degree).

    Sun-Jupiter line can cause big problem to us, but if this line is too close to Sun-Jupiter line and GC-Saturn line, things will become quite different.
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    I introduce you a software, the name of this software is astrolog32. It's a good one to study the position of planets and stars.

    tips

    1 choose sun as the middle point
    2 choose Sun Earth Jupiter and Saturn, ignore other planets.
    3 pay attention to GC, which is in the middle of Sagittarius and Capricorn. (actually it's between Scorpio and Sagittarius in the sky)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    In the theory of active resonance (Aether dynamic theory), there is a rope between Sun and Jupiter, it's a kind of energy line.
    Why? What is the physical mechanism?

    This line is from Sun, after crossing Jupiter, its energy become stronger and it goes to deep Universe.
    Why does it become stronger?

    This line also has very strong influence on the opposite direction.
    Why? Whjat is the physical mechanism?

    We know Moon not only causes tide on the surface of Earth near it, it also causes tidy on the opposite surface.
    That's the first thing in this thread that you've said that is true and makes sense. Congratulations!

    The explanation is similar.
    Still waiting for that explanation...

    I treat Sun-Jupiter line as a straight line, which crosses Sun and Jupiter. The diameter of this energy line is about the diameter of Jupiter.

    When the angle between Sun-Earth line and Sun-Jupiter line is less than 30 degree, Earth will be affected.
    Well, back to not making sense. If the diameter of the line (the mechanism of which you still haven't explained), is that of Jupiter, why would it affect the earth when it was 30 degrees away?

    (the period is about 2 month every time, 4 month a year. 1 day is about 1 degree, that's why ancient scientists defined a circle 360 degree).
    So basically, any disaster that happens on earth during 1/3 of the year, can be claimed by your preposterous, ridiculous "hypothesis" to be caused by this unexplained, unexplainable, magical "line of energy"

    Sun-Jupiter line can cause big problem to us, but if this line is too close to Sun-Jupiter line and GC-Saturn line, things will become quite different.
    Why? How? How wide is that window?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    In the theory of active resonance (Aether dynamic theory), there is a rope between Sun and Jupiter, it's a kind of energy line. This line is from Sun, after crossing Jupiter, its energy become stronger and it goes to deep Universe.

    This line also has very strong influence on the opposite direction. We know Moon not only causes tide on the surface of Earth near it, it also causes tidy on the opposite surface. The explanation is similar.

    I treat Sun-Jupiter line as a straight line, which crosses Sun and Jupiter. The diameter of this energy line is about the diameter of Jupiter.

    When the angle between Sun-Earth line and Sun-Jupiter line is less than 30 degree, Earth will be affected. (the period is about 2 month every time, 4 month a year. 1 day is about 1 degree, that's why ancient scientists defined a circle 360 degree).

    Sun-Jupiter line can cause big problem to us, but if this line is too close to Sun-Jupiter line and GC-Saturn line, things will become quite different.
    1. You have not addressed the fact that none of your supposed lines was anywhere close to earth during any of the events mentioned
    2. Very conveniently you now introduce a new conjecture - that the line extends in the opposite direction as well - once again without giving any explanation or evidence
    3. And yet another conjecture - the 30 degree claim - without explanation or evidence.
    4. We are still waiting on an explanation about the exact mechanism that is at work when your alleged lines supposedly interfere with the Earth

    And btw, please don't call this a "theory" - that's an insult to the word itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    I introduce you a software, the name of this software is astrolog32. It's a good one to study the position of planets and stars.

    tips

    1 choose sun as the middle point
    2 choose Sun Earth Jupiter and Saturn, ignore other planets.
    3 pay attention to GC, which is in the middle of Sagittarius and Capricorn. (actually it's between Scorpio and Sagittarius in the sky)
    Thank you, but not interested. I am using my own software which I know to be reliable and highly accurate; besides, I don't use Windows anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomjin2000 View Post
    In 2011, Jupiter, Sun and Saturn formed one line, which means Sun-Jupiter line and Sun-Saturn line overlapped. This kind of situation not only causes trouble to Earth, it also causes trouble to Sun, Jupiter and Saturn.
    As I said to you before already - Jupiter, sun and Saturn never form any line, because Saturn lies above the ecliptic plane.

    Do you know why there were so many political instability in Middle East, and even in western countries. Because of serious natural disasters, the supply of food reduced, which caused inflation. People didn't have enough money for other products, which caused economic crisis.
    This has always been true; the reasons are political and economical in nature and have nothing whatsoever to do with "energy lines".

    And I call these evidences.
    I call it conjecture.
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    Btw, would you care to explain why your alleged "energy lines" only effect the earth, and seem to have no effect on any of the other planets when they cross your lines ?
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    Also why are there only 4 line in the entirety of the universe? what is so special about earth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    i wish you take a photo of the oil drop and get its radius, then compare it with the calculated value, result will shock you.
    Huh? The radius is measured not not calculated. So you suggest taking a picture and measuring the radius to compare with the measured radius?

    What exactly is the point of that?
    In about 400 years (from René Descartes), Aether theory is dominant in science for more than 200 years. Anti-Aether theory (The law of universal gravitation, the theory of relativity and Quantum physics) is dominant in science for about 150 years. (in 19th century, the main representatives of Aether electromagnetic theory are Michael Faraday and James Clerk Maxwell, they are all from UK. For some reasons, they should but they didn’t abandon Mr Issac Newton’s theory [some Germans already knew the problems of the law of universal gravitation]. But Aether theory is still a dominant theory in 19th century. Different from scientists in 17th century and early 18th century, scientists in 19th century believed they could calculate the gravity between 2 objects with the law of universal gravitation.)

    I believe you belong to Anti-Aether theory group. If you belong to Anti-Aether theory group, you should understand the 3 most important experiments in Anti-Aether theory.

    The first one is Cavendish’s torsion balance experiment. This experiment is the basis of the law of universal gravitation.

    The second one is Michelson-Morley experiment, this one is where the theory of relativity came from.

    The third one is Millikan oil drop experiment, Quantum physics built all its theory on this experiment. It’s the most basic experiment.

    If you call yourself a supporter of Anti-Aether theory, you should understand every detail about these three experiments.

    You said the radius of oil drop was measured, which shows you still don’t know the first thing in Millikan oil drop experiment.

    Millikan couldn’t measure the radius of oil drop, so he used the Stokes' law to calculate the radius of Oil drop. I don’t think Millikan was sure about whether this law is still valid when the oil drop is that small.

    As I know, if the radius of oil drop is really as small as 1um, we can observe Brownian motion on it.

    Engineers have already invented very advanced microscope, we don’t need the Stokes law in this experiment, we just need to take a photo of the oil drop, then we can get the so called charge of Electron easily.

    Then you will understand there is no unit charge at all.

    2012, it’s the end of this experiment.
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