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    Harold, I believe just about all the technology which presently exists was at one time considered pseudoscience. We all try to recycle our wasted trash, why not our wasted energy? Can you imagine how much electricity could be produced and stored if we were to incorperate generators within the already moving wheels on cars, trucks, semis, and especially trains, connected to capacitors to store and release when needed? There are many ways to use kinetic energy. What if we were to add collector cells and capacitors to every light bulb, fixture and shades? These are just a couple. Regenerational braking has already been used on trains, trolleys, and subways, much of which has been done away with, just to be able to make more money. There's a new train in Italy using regenerational braking and replaces almost all the energy it uses. In 1967 A.M.C. had an electric car prototype using this, but failed due to special interests and internal corruption. Indy cars are using it, look up K.E.R.S. [kinetic energy recovery system], they try to say it's new technology, but this could easily be implemented in less than a few years. There are better ways and I understand how these ideas may sound presently, but soon they will be just as much a part of our lives as oil, coal, and uranium have been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Harold, I believe just about all the technology which presently exists was at one time considered pseudoscience.
    Be that as it may, we have a pseudoscience section of the forum and we try to confine the pseudoscience there. Thus please refrain from advancing theories like this in the real science section. I am speaking as a moderator now.
    We all try to recycle our wasted trash, why not our wasted energy? Can you imagine how much electricity could be produced and stored if we were to incorperate generators within the already moving wheels on cars, trucks, semis, and especially trains, connected to capacitors to store and release when needed?
    Yes, I do. None.
    There are many ways to use kinetic energy. What if we were to add collector cells and capacitors to every light bulb, fixture and shades? These are just a couple. Regenerational braking has already been used on trains, trolleys, and subways, much of which has been done away with, just to be able to make more money. There's a new train in Italy using regenerational braking and replaces almost all the energy it uses. In 1967 A.M.C. had an electric car prototype using this, but failed due to special interests and internal corruption. Indy cars are using it, look up K.E.R.S. [kinetic energy recovery system], they try to say it's new technology, but this could easily be implemented in less than a few years. There are better ways and I understand how these ideas may sound presently, but soon they will be just as much a part of our lives as oil, coal, and uranium have been.
    Please take a course in physics and learn about the laws of thermodynamics. In the meantime, confine your pseudoscience to the appropriate section of the forum.


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    Kalopin, there is a world of difference between KERs technology, that takes advantage of a deliberate reduciton in velocity, and your proposal to harvest energy from 'wheels' that are already turning. The latter involves the daydream of perpetual motion. As Harold suggested try learning some basic physics and you will appreciate these differences.
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    Just as an alternator turns on an engine, it will turn from ANY motion, as it is not only light heat and pressure that will produce electricity, but MOTION! I'm sorry that you don't see how much energy is being wasted, cause it's running up and down every road every day. As long as it's turning it can charge. How is this over your heads? It's extremely simple, and is already being used! Have you never seen a bycicle light, a small generator turning on the wheel producing light as you turn the wheel? Same principal.
    I have already made a small trailer that turns generators from its wheels and charges batteries, then inverts to A.C.. Tesla had several different designs simalar, using induction, but they were destroyed or hidden by Edison, G.E. and/or Westinghouse, who all owed him big-time! Have you read the story of Edison and Tesla? I don't want to upset you, but it is you who should do more study outside of a classroom, because this will not be taught by any professor at any school that I know of, why? Fear?, ignorance?, selfishness? Thievery? What has it cost? So why don't you at least experiment and see? Like I said, I know it will work, 'cause it's alredy being done!
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    And where do you think the energy comes from to keep it in motion? The engine!!! So you will be spending fuel to inefficiently create electricity. There will be losses, so in the end, losses are losses.
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    You are alredy spending the fuel anyway! Why not use it to its full potential? There is no downside to adding generators. And, we will have to stop using internal combustion and move on to electric, for many reasons. I have several designs to retrofit existing vehicles, electric cars, and designs that will produce enough electricity to run a mansion on! The batteries constantly recieve a charge, and the rest will charge capacitors.

    You all do know what an armature, field frame, commutator, carbon brushes, transformers, inverters, capacitors, and resistors are, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    You are alredy spending the fuel anyway! Why not use it to its full potential? There is no downside to adding generators.
    Yes there is. A generator presents a load, requiring more fuel to reach the same speeds. You do know how a generator works, and where it gets it's energy from, right?
    You all do know what an armature, field frame, commutator, carbon brushes, transformers, inverters, capacitors, and resistors are, right?
    Yes smartass. I've been in the electrical and electronic fields longer than you've probably been alive. And there are losses involved in every one of the items on your list.
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    Generators have only enough load as the magnets in the frame, well worth it, alternators free spin with no load. One motor can turn several generators. The gains far out-weigh the losses. And, what losses would be incurred by adding collector cells around the base of ligt bulbs, where the light is not being used? Electricity can be produced and stored in many different safe and effective ways. Magnets and copper wire coils turning is but one. The sun shines for free, the wind blows for free, the water runs downhill for free, and wheels turn downhill for free, so once the initial investment is made, the rest is profit. Do you understand how much power companies make off the middle class, and how much they have paid back in taxes? This is why I promote the use of induction, regeneration, and kinetic sources. So everyone can have their own energy sources and get off the grid, off the oil and coal addiction, and away from the misuse of uranium and nuclear power!
    Oh, hey Wayne, if you're into meteors, check out my article "1811, A Comet and A Quake".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Just as an alternator turns on an engine, it will turn from ANY motion, as it is not only light heat and pressure that will produce electricity, but MOTION! I'm sorry that you don't see how much energy is being wasted, cause it's running up and down every road every day. As long as it's turning it can charge. How is this over your heads? It's extremely simple, and is already being used! Have you never seen a bycicle light, a small generator turning on the wheel producing light as you turn the wheel? Same principal.
    I have already made a small trailer that turns generators from its wheels and charges batteries, then inverts to A.C.. Tesla had several different designs simalar, using induction, but they were destroyed or hidden by Edison, G.E. and/or Westinghouse, who all owed him big-time! Have you read the story of Edison and Tesla? I don't want to upset you, but it is you who should do more study outside of a classroom, because this will not be taught by any professor at any school that I know of, why? Fear?, ignorance?, selfishness? Thievery? What has it cost? So why don't you at least experiment and see? Like I said, I know it will work, 'cause it's alredy being done!
    You are meaning "principle", dotcomrade. When riding said bicycle, do you pedal more hard when generator is in contact with wheel or in daytime when it is not? Friction is where is the waste, you have been given the good advice here. More should follow it as well to understand issues facing debate on powering our future, is fascinating topic in its own right. If you have learned anything about history of electricity, you are capable of this task and worthy of the knowledge so acquired. Both Edison's DC and Tesla's AC play their roles in power distribution today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Generators have only enough load as the magnets in the frame, well worth it, alternators free spin with no load. One motor can turn several generators. The gains far out-weigh the losses. And, what losses would be incurred by adding collector cells around the base of ligt bulbs, where the light is not being used? Electricity can be produced and stored in many different safe and effective ways. Magnets and copper wire coils turning is but one. The sun shines for free, the wind blows for free, the water runs downhill for free, and wheels turn downhill for free, so once the initial investment is made, the rest is profit. Do you understand how much power companies make off the middle class, and how much they have paid back in taxes? This is why I promote the use of induction, regeneration, and kinetic sources. So everyone can have their own energy sources and get off the grid, off the oil and coal addiction, and away from the misuse of uranium and nuclear power!
    Oh, hey Wayne, if you're into meteors, check out my article "1811, A Comet and A Quake".
    Why not put your idea into practice, keeping careful records, and let us know how this noble experiment is turning out. Should be easy to power computer just by running refrigerator. Do not forget to put mini hydro turbine in bottom of toilet bowl to generate power with every flush...
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    if you did peddle harder, I never could tell, it must have been miniscule. I'm sure I could have had many of them on the wheel, enough to run a small electric motor to power the bike just as fast as I could peddle it, hence a perpetual machine. Does this defy, what is believed to be, the laws of physics? It is Nikola Tesla who has taught me, but not all he knew. Study his electrostatic induction concepts and his invention, The Mechanical Oscillator. These are two more ways of producing electricity without fuels, and are also perpetual. I'm sure you're aware, he invented the electric motor.
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    Funny, you joke, but it is also possible to install a waterpump on a waterline, and everytime the water runs through, it turns the pump, in turn turning a generator, as mini-hydroelectric power, and no, no pressure or volume loss! Keep it up and I might give you flying saucer technology! ;]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    if you did peddle harder, I never could tell, it must have been miniscule. I'm sure I could have had many of them on the wheel, enough to run a small electric motor to power the bike just as fast as I could peddle it, hence a perpetual machine. Does this defy, what is believed to be, the laws of physics? It is Nikola Tesla who has taught me, but not all he knew. Study his electrostatic induction concepts and his invention, The Mechanical Oscillator. These are two more ways of producing electricity without fuels, and are also perpetual. I'm sure you're aware, he invented the electric motor.
    You mean "pedal", dotcomrade. And yes, your proposal does defy the laws of physics. As you will quickly discover when you put it into practice. And did the great Tesla connect a motor to a generator thereby establishing a perpetual motion device?

    No. Keep your flying saucer, you will have hands full already, pumping water uphill using waterfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    if you did peddle harder, I never could tell, it must have been miniscule.
    Yes, but so was the amount of electricity you generated.
    I'm sure I could have had many of them on the wheel, enough to run a small electric motor to power the bike just as fast as I could peddle it, hence a perpetual machine.
    What makes you so sure?
    Does this defy, what is believed to be, the laws of physics? It is Nikola Tesla who has taught me, but not all he knew. Study his electrostatic induction concepts and his invention, The Mechanical Oscillator. These are two more ways of producing electricity without fuels, and are also perpetual. I'm sure you're aware, he invented the electric motor.
    Tesla was a great inventor, but he has also inspired generations of crackpots.
    Funny, you joke, but it is also possible to install a waterpump on a waterline, and everytime the water runs through, it turns the pump, in turn turning a generator, as mini-hydroelectric power, and no, no pressure or volume loss! Keep it up and I might give you flying saucer technology! ;]
    Yes, pressure loss.

    There is a long, sad, history of perpetual motion inventions. You should study and learn from it.
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    Prince Finger, Shall I attempt to peddle the truth harder about pedalling harder? It's not "Do you pedal more hard when generator is in contact with wheel", it's, "do you have to pedal harder when the generator is in contact with the wheel?" Is this English class? Anyway, I think you're starting to get it. Any motor can actually produce more energy than it consumes. As a fan clutch cools a motor by spinning faster than the crankshaft, using centrifigal force, such as spinners on rims. A motor or a wheel turning that's not also turning generators is wasted energy, as one vehicle can pull several, with only a little more fuel, just as carpooling saves gas.
    Roldi, Being an Electrical Engineer, I totally understand. There are solutions the public need not know, but those days are numbered. We have to accept the fact that the world needs clean, safe, and personal energy. Soon everyone will know how badly the present "laws of physics" are wrong! There ARE perpetual machines, at least machines that can outlast all of existence. We must think on a much larger scale. It is in our face everyday, the sun, our solar system, the galaxy, the universe are all proof of perpetual, maybe not eternal machines. Dr. Nikola Tesla had already scaled these machines down for us. Time to think outside the box. Understand what a gift to the struggling middle class that free and safe electricity would present. Maybe we could stop spending so much time and money protecing ourselves from each other and, I don't know, attempt to populate another world.
    I still, only hint at the technology!
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    That's right. You only hint at the technology. That's because you can't actually show us any perpetual motion machines.
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    Here's one, look it up Dr. Nikola Tesla, "Mechanical Oscillator". Ever heard of "Telegeodynamics"? There have been several, actually, but all have been stiffled from the greed, selfishness, and ignorance of the ones to make a profit. And, like I said, there are many natural perpetual, maybe not infinite, machines, such as any plant or animal. Think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Prince Finger, Shall I attempt to peddle the truth harder about pedalling harder? It's not "Do you pedal more hard when generator is in contact with wheel", it's, "do you have to pedal harder when the generator is in contact with the wheel?" Is this English class? Anyway, I think you're starting to get it. Any motor can actually produce more energy than it consumes. As a fan clutch cools a motor by spinning faster than the crankshaft, using centrifigal force, such as spinners on rims. A motor or a wheel turning that's not also turning generators is wasted energy, as one vehicle can pull several, with only a little more fuel, just as carpooling saves gas.
    Roldi, Being an Electrical Engineer, I totally understand. There are solutions the public need not know, but those days are numbered. We have to accept the fact that the world needs clean, safe, and personal energy. Soon everyone will know how badly the present "laws of physics" are wrong! There ARE perpetual machines, at least machines that can outlast all of existence. We must think on a much larger scale. It is in our face everyday, the sun, our solar system, the galaxy, the universe are all proof of perpetual, maybe not eternal machines. Dr. Nikola Tesla had already scaled these machines down for us. Time to think outside the box. Understand what a gift to the struggling middle class that free and safe electricity would present. Maybe we could stop spending so much time and money protecing ourselves from each other and, I don't know, attempt to populate another world.
    I still, only hint at the technology!
    Regrettably, dotcomrade, you are NOT starting to get it. Carpooling saves gas because fewer vehicles are consuming fuel to transport same number of persons, you are using bad analogy(worse than Prince's English, even, oy gevalt!) Instead of giving the hints, you should take a few, and some clues since you seem to have none at the moment. Thanks for joke if this is what you are doing deliberately...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Here's one, look it up Dr. Nikola Tesla, "Mechanical Oscillator". Ever heard of "Telegeodynamics"? There have been several, actually, but all have been stiffled from the greed, selfishness, and ignorance of the ones to make a profit. And, like I said, there are many natural perpetual, maybe not infinite, machines, such as any plant or animal. Think!
    We ARE thinking, dotcomrade. And you mean "stifled". All the plants and animals Prince has known or known of have not been perpetual, much less infinite. Indeed, many are extinct.
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    Intelligence will soon replace ignorance.

    I guess depends on your meaning of perpetual, mine says nothing of permanant. Sorry, if I write ahead of myself, you were still able to understand the meaning on that level, just go another up. Sorry again, that I ass-u-me=d you would understand the, what I believed to be simple, analogy of carpooling as saving gas, as to adding generators to save electricity, hence, less fossil fuels burned. Hint, hint...

    Some of those extinctions were man-made, from the same unknowing, uninformed, lack of investigation, and just a lack of intelligence thow hast shown.

    AND... Now you speak with the bravest, with the clearest vision, feeling the glory, surpassing the danger any may invoke!

    Kalopin wonders, Do we now speak in third person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Intelligence will soon replace ignorance.
    But apparently not in your case. Prove me wrong, embarrass us all and save the world economy by showing us the maths of your concept. It shouldn't be difficult for one such as you who has been gifted with such insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Any motor can actually produce more energy than it consumes.
    Evidence? You have a working prototype, I assume? Have you been providing all your own domestic power in this way for the last few years?

    Being an Electrical Engineer ...
    So why haven't you gone into business selling machines to generate "clean, safe, and personal energy"?

    I still, only hint at the technology
    How about you stop hinting and provide details; along with proof it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Intelligence will soon replace ignorance.
    But apparently not in your case. Prove me wrong, embarrass us all and save the world economy by showing us the maths of your concept. It shouldn't be difficult for one such as you who has been gifted with such insight.
    Prince has little math to offer, but some schoolboy Latin may be appropriate: "Quid Pro quo", and, "Caveat emptor".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Intelligence will soon replace ignorance.

    I guess depends on your meaning of perpetual, mine says nothing of permanant. Sorry, if I write ahead of myself, you were still able to understand the meaning on that level, just go another up. Sorry again, that I ass-u-me=d you would understand the, what I believed to be simple, analogy of carpooling as saving gas, as to adding generators to save electricity, hence, less fossil fuels burned. Hint, hint...

    Some of those extinctions were man-made, from the same unknowing, uninformed, lack of investigation, and just a lack of intelligence thow hast shown.

    AND... Now you speak with the bravest, with the clearest vision, feeling the glory, surpassing the danger any may invoke!

    Kalopin wonders, Do we now speak in third person?
    Prince has not mastered use of first person singular pronouns, no others on forum suffer from such incapacity, mercifully. And you mean "thou", second person, singular pronoun, now archaic.

    Would so that he could overcome this handicap as you have transcended laws of physics and English vocabulary:

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    Hey Princey, Kalopin says "wouldst thou, Basia Culos Meos?!" It seems as though your complacancy, arrogance, and total lack of investigation would be embarrassment enough for you, my little snowflakes.

    Yes you actually can supply your own power in several different ways. Induction has been one, some ways are already considered illegal. there are many different ways to create electricity, and several that have been around for many thousands years. Read up on "The Bagdad Battery", look up "Our Electrostatic Earth and The Powers of The Pyramids". Why do you think uranium was being mined in Libya more than fifteen thousand years ago? Our ancestors, mostly haven't been given credit.

    Understand, these days it takes money to make money. I, many times, wish I had access to the facilities Tesla, Edison, and Bell enjoyed, as I'm sure they are all spinning in their graves at all this.


    And Princey, will you stop with the "fingering" out the tyyyppooss, I see 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Understand, these days it takes money to make money. I, many times, wish I had access to the facilities Tesla, Edison, and Bell enjoyed, as I'm sure they are all spinning in their graves at all this.
    Surely, by your theory, all you need is a motor (a few dollars) and an alternator (a few dollars) and some cable (cents) to produce a working demo. At that point people will throw millions at you.

    And Princey, will you stop with the "fingering" out the tyyyppooss, I see 'em!
    Then why not frickin' correct them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    And Princey, will you stop with the "fingering" out the tyyyppooss, I see 'em!
    Yet you do nothing to correct these errors. Obviously. Yet one with your vast vision and talent should surely be able to master the challenge of backing up your words with deeds, as you have been REPEATEDLY asked to do. Or are you all talk, and erroneous talk at that, "my little flake"?
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    I think I have a finger for ya' Princey, lol. The special, little comments are proof to the reasons why the planet suffers! I still have faith the little angel of intelligence will overcome the big ole testy demon of ignorance. I am sure that once you have studied regeneration and the use of kinetic energy, then you'll understand what I have been talking about. ButT, I refuse to type out all this information. The wheels are in motion, use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    I think I have a finger for ya' Princey, lol. The special, little comments are proof to the reasons why the planet suffers! I still have faith the little angel of intelligence will overcome the big ole testy demon of ignorance. I am sure that once you have studied regeneration and the use of kinetic energy, then you'll understand what I have been talking about. ButT, I refuse to type out all this information. The wheels are in motion, use them.
    The wheels in motion are subject to FRICTION, which is one of the reasons your idiotic proposal will never work- but do not take my word for it, TRY it. Let us know how it turns out.
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    I do feel a little friction, but not from the wheels on the road, they are running smoothly, unlike the thoughts in your head. lol

    Seriously, you have no idea what you don't know. There's alot of people who don't want you to know. Though, it seems the simplest of ideas could easily be figured out. A wheel that's turning on a car, train, or whatever has plenty of strength, pressure, and motion to turn several generators, that is well worth any friction loss, that will be minimal, which can easily charge capacitors, then the electricity can easily be used for any reason. A light bulb is already lit, adding collector cells, to the top, will not cause any friction, it will only collect electricity, to charge batteries or capacitors, which will, in turn be used to operate other electrical devices. Not complicated.
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    Kalopin you are displaying a level of understanding of physics that is euqivalent to second year in secondary school at best. At present you are preaching an idea, offering no substantiation other than your own misguided misinterpretation of physical reality. Take a deep breath and go get some elementary texts on basic mechanics. You will go through a period of embarrassment as you realise how foolish you have been, but you will be a wiser man as a result.
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    Not complicated.
    So why not build a working prototype, demonstrate it (powering your home for a few months with no energy input, say) and become as rich as Croesus?

    I am always puzzled why people who claim know how to build a "free energy" machine are so reluctant to exploit it...
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    Dear John,
    Do you understand how a "solar" powered calculator works? Have you ever even looked into regenerational braking? Do you understand how a simple little bicycle light works, and do you really believe that you have to PEDAL any harder to turn that little generator? Poor thang. It is you, my friend, who will feel pretty embarrassed, if you will not even learn simple electrical production.

    Strange one, if you only knew! Well, I tried to help. Obviously, it's not "free" energy, it's saving wasted energy, and there are parts, time[biggest problem], work, effort, caring,...I understand your point of view, though, as most are obsessed with The Almighty Dolla'!
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    Dear John,
    Do you understand how a "solar" powered calculator works? Have you ever even looked into regenerational braking? Do you understand how a simple little bicycle light works, and do you really believe that you have to PEDAL any harder to turn that little generator?
    Kalopin no one is disputing the use of solar cells. They work. They absorb a portion of the solar energy falling on them and convert a portion of that into useful electricity. But a portion is lost as waste heat. The conversion process is inefficient.

    In regenerational breaking we use a different way of breaking. We put a load on the breaking mechanism to slow the vehicle. This load is, in essence, a generator. What would have been waste heat in a conventional system is converted electrical energy stored in a battery, or kinetic energy stored in a flywheel. The point is that all we are doing is recovering a portion of the energy we already put into the system in the first place and in so doing we are reducing the speed of our vehicle. And all the way, at every step, there is inefficiency.

    Of course you have to pedal harder to make your little cycle light light up. If you do not understand this simple, basic point there is no hope for you. I will not waste my time any further with such willfull ignorance. Do not bother replying to me - I shall have you on ignore.
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    Harold, I believe just about all the technology which presently exists was at one time considered pseudoscience. We all try to recycle our wasted trash, why not our wasted energy?
    As far as I know, "recycling" energy is not a pseudoscience. We recycle vehicular kinetic energy through regenerative braking (most efficient in pure or hybrid electric cars). But be that as it may...

    I can see some applications for energy recycling. For example, room lighting. We want to light a room to read a book or newspaper, but do we really want the ability to read at the ceiling, along the walls, or on the floor (or the tables and chairs themselves)? No, just the book, magazine, newspaper, etc. So, what to do with the light energy impinging on these surfaces? Answer: Produce and apply to these objects a photovoltaic surface that captures the stray light energy and converts it into electricity. They could be made to simulate wood, or metal, or other "finishes" so your house doesn't look like Max Headroom lives there. Or do we merely install reading lamps that focus the light onto the reading material?

    We could put piezoelectric devices in the heels of our shoes so that, every time we take a step, it generates a little electricity ... but what do we do with it?

    Other ways to capture/utilize stray, wild, or already-utilized "spent" energy. We capture "wild" geothermal energy (for example in Iceland). We have been capturing wind energy (via windmills) and hydrodynamic energy (first via watermills, then hydroelectric plants) globally for centuries. Earthquakes and other geologic movements spend energy to produce changes in the Earth's crust. So, we could anchor structures on either side of a geologic fault line and run cabling/etc between them to capture the energy involved in these movements. How much energy was expended during the 2004 earthquake/tsunami? 1017 Joules. If only we could predict where and when these movements will occur. Capturing/utilizing lightning always sparks debate.

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    You are alredy spending the fuel anyway! Why not use it to its full potential? There is no downside to adding generators [to the wheels of vehicles].
    Well, negatives ("downsides") do exist. First, they are added weight and cost to the vehicle. Second, mobile powerplant size, generation efficiency, and environmental cleanliness suffer for their application in moving objects. That is, these qualities are compromised in order to use these powerplants in vehicles. For example, we don't want a 1,000-lb powerplant to power a 2,000-lb vehicle due to efficiency/space concerns, so we have been using relatively small, lightweight ICEs that convert energy (chemical → thermal → mechanical) using air. But they need lots of air, and they develop lots of heat, and so, a lot of this heat energy in the fast-moving air goes out the tailpipe (lost efficiency). Due to the speed of the chemical reactions necessary inside ICEs, environmentally bad reaction products result, which make them polluters. Therefore, if you want to produce electric energy, do so with a stationary powerplant dedicated, designed and fine-tuned to produce electric energy and where, for example, the use of exhaust scrubbers can remove pollutants.

    What I mean to say here, is that we design, produce, fine-tune, and use powerplants for specific purposes. To add other purposes to the main purpose will mostly likely reduce the efficiency of its use for that main purpose. So, we're talking trade-offs that, in the big picture, most likely do not do what we want to the levels or efficiencies that we had in mind.

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    Nikola Tesla [...] taught me
    I'm not about to entertain anything about Tesla and the pseudoscientific hype that others have attached to his name.

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    install a waterpump on a waterline, and everytime the water runs through, it turns the pump, in turn turning a generator, as mini-hydroelectric power, and no, no pressure or volume loss!
    Not true. It diverts energy from kinetic to electric, and something is lost ... mostly pressure it seems to me (seeing as how water is incompressible).

    However, I have toyed with the idea of using pico-hydroelectric powerplants (ie, <5kW) for when electric power failures occur. Houses almost always have water pressure during electric power failures, so in the event of such a failure, simply hook up a pico-hydroelectric powerplant to the water system, and use the small amount of electricity to power something critical, such as the oil/gas furnace if it's wintertime, or the ventilator for grandma who has emphysema, or the electric stove to cook meals, or essential lighting at night negating the dangerous use of candles, etc.

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    Being an Electrical Engineer, I totally understand
    I have been an EE for decades, and quite frankly, I have a hard time accepting a fellow EE suffering from such an epic lack of fundamental engineering/scientific knowledge.
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    Reality check, You just gave ALL my ideas an O.K.! Finally, you studied!, and Nike already has shoes that charge for an Ipod or phone. What have I been saying? Residual energy can be re-used, and it's well worth the friction or any losses incurred. As I have stated, it's not only light, heat, and pressure, but MOTION that creates electricity. Also, yes it works, I have run a waterwheel turning a generator from the spill-way of a small lake, and at times had pretty good results, as mini-hydro-electric. I say thank you, jmonroe, at least someone else is putting forth ideas [even though those were silly, collecting the energy from an earthquake may be a little extreme and difficult]rather than putting mine down. Oh, yea, whether this is pseudoscience or not, you'll have to discuss that with Roldi [Harold]!

    I have a design for a car that utilizes solar [on the body of the car], wind [as turbines on the side,caught low and funnelled up for downforce, as an Indy car, which with enough speed can actually ride, if there were a place for it, upside-down], and motion [using several small generators, in balance, mounted within rubber boots]. Also kinetic heat from the motor [electric or internal combustion] can be re-used. Only one problem, this will produce more electricity than the amount or strength of the capacitors in which I have found a place to mount! Not a problem with a train, though, every wheel would be easy to add generators, and you could have capacitors in many places, even have a boxcar just to store them alone.

    John, no inefficiency, it works when YOU WANT to slow the vehicle down. And, I have a couple of those bicycle lights, how weak are you? I can't even tell the difference when they are put in contact with the wheel!
    And, John,that's why it was a "Dear John" letter. I knew, once you got it, as I see you finally did, how you would feel. So if you ever read this, I hope you find that special someone and have a good life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Oh, yea, whether this is pseudoscience or not, you'll have to discuss that with Roldi [Harold]!
    Maybe we should call it pseudo-engineering. Sure, you can get a few milliwatts (maybe) out of a shoe, but is it worth it? No. Clearly you have never used your solar powered calculator to calculate the energy produced by such a device versus the energy needed to manufacture it, store the energy, and utilize it.
    I have a design for a car
    Quit yapping about it and build the damn thing then.
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    Yea, beats me, but Nike is doing it. I haven't tried them, so don't know, maybe if you were to run really fast. You gonna help me build that car?

    They are now starting to produce a new solar panel designed to go on the outside walls of buildings, to soak up the sun, seems they could, somewhat be used in the interior also [maybe not so far off].
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    John, no inefficiency, it works when YOU WANT to slow the vehicle down.
    Been done.

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    Drowsey Turtle's just wakin' up. Catch up man. Although I realise, I had discussed K.E.R.S. [Kinetic Energy Recovery System], the old subways and trolleys, the A.M.C. prototype electric car in 1967, and the new high speed train in Italy, that all had or have regenerative braking systems, on a different thread, entitled "Solar/Wind Vs. Nuclear, Who Will Win" it should probably be obvious, everyone here knows that regenerative braking is rather old, about a hundred years. Like I had stated, they had this on trains, trolleys and subways instead of "dynamic braking" that is commonly used today. Why did they remove the capacitors and put up a resistor wall to just burn off the "extra" electricity generated when the polarity was reversed to slow the train? PROFIT! They somehow are trying to act like it's a new discovery, yet I know for a fact Frisco and Illinois Central had this on all of their first trains with electric motors. I believe first electric motor on a train was like 1879, and the first regenerative braking system was around 1903 or 1906. Oh, check out the other thread, nuclear lost, and it was locked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Drowsey Turtle's just wakin' up. Catch up man. Although I realise, I had discussed K.E.R.S. [Kinetic Energy Recovery System], the old subways and trolleys, the A.M.C. prototype electric car in 1967, and the new high speed train in Italy, that all had or have regenerative breaking systems, on a different thread, entitled "Solar/Wind Vs. Nuclear, Who Will Win" it should probably be obvious, everyone here knows that regenerative braking is rather old, about a hundred years. Like I had stated, they had this on trains, trolleys and subways instead of "dynamic braing" that is commonly used today. Why did they remove the capacitors and put up a resistor wall to just burn off the "extra" electricity generated when the polarity was reversed to slow the train? PROFIT! They somehow are trying to act like it's a new discovery, yet I know for a fact Frisco and Illinois Central had this on all of their first trains with electric motors. I believe first electric motor on a train was like 1879, and the first regenerative braing system was around 1903 or 1906. Oh, check out the other thread, nuclear lost, and it was locked!
    Okay, I'll bite. How would changing from regenerative braking to dynamic braking increase the profit?
    Where is your evidence that regenerative braking was removed, anyway?
    Dynamic braking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In electrified systems the similar process of regenerative braking is employed whereby the current produced during braking is fed back into the power supply system for use by other traction units, instead of being wasted as heat. It is normal practice to incorporate both regenerative and rheostatic braking in electrified systems. If the power supply system is not "receptive", i.e. incapable of absorbing the current, the system will default to rheostatic mode in order to provide the braking effect.

    Yard locomotives with onboard energy storage systems which allow the recovery of some of this energy which would otherwise be wasted as heat are now available. The Green Goat model, for example, is being used by Canadian Pacific Railway, BNSF Railway, Kansas City Southern Railway and Union Pacific Railroad.
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    NO, ya' got it backwards, we need to change from dynamic braking to the use of regenerative braking. Oh, I got ya', well oil companies and electric companies lobbied Washington to stop the use of these energy saving technologies, so they may sell more, hence more profit for electric companies with subways and trolleys and oil companies with the diesel powered trains and more money for the politicians. Can you imagine how much could have been saved over the past hundred years, how much fewer fossil fuels would have been needed? It really is a sin against the environment., and it's really not even a secret!

    In dynamic braking the "extra electricity is burned off in the form of heat on a resistor wall. Regenerative braking collects this electricity through the use of capacitors, stores it and releases it when needed. As you have seen, they are just now making this available AGAIN, after all the time that they purposely had done away with it. Probably, mainly because Canada owns most of the U.S. railroads![,and the Indonesians own most stores, and the Chinese own the rest, and we're worried about the poor Mexicans!], anyway, as you can see, once the system hits point of overload it will default back to just the rheostatic [conventional] brakes, so apparently the rest is still burned off. it makes me wonder if the storage sytems are made large enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    NO, ya' got it backwards, we need to change from dynamic braking to the use of regenerative braking. Oh, I got ya', well oil companies and electric companies lobbied Washington to stop the use of these energy saving technologies, so they may sell more, hence more profit, and it's really not even a secret!
    You missed the part where I asked for evidence. You seem to be implying there is or was a law against using regenerative braking. What law was that and when did it get repealed?
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    They never really had a law against regenerative braking, but in the early 1900s there was some sort of serious accident and in 1911 an embargo was placed on it, but that only lasted about twenty years, so there is really no excuse for the subways, trolleys, and trains to not have used this, that I can think of, other than the greed of the power companies. You can just google "first regenerative braking systems" or go to this link http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake ,They also got a little bit about the AMC car, GM EV1, The Tesla, Prius, Honda Insight and the Chevy Volt. Although you should look up the whole story about the 1967 AMC prototype and the GM EV!, two more long, sad stories that have to do with greed.
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    There is another (somewhat obvious) issue. Storage of the energy regenerated. It costs money (and loses efficiency) to do that. Modern battery technology has improved the equation. Such technology did not exist scores of years ago. Hauling around a ton of lead-acid batteries is HIGHLY inefficent as well, since engine power must be used to accelerate the mass involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    They never really had a law aginst regenerative braking, but in the early 1900s there was some sort of serious accident and in 1911 an embargo was placed on it, but that only lasted about twenty years, so there is really no excuse for the subways, trolleys, and trains to not have used this, that I can think of, other than the greed of the power companies. You can just google "first regenerative braking systems" or go to this link http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake ,They also got a little bit about the AMC car, GM EV1, The Tesla, Prius, Honda Insight and the Chevy Volt. Although you should look up the whole story about the 1967 AMC prototype and the GM EV!, two more long, sad stories that have to do with greed.
    The Wikipedia article says they were embargoed in England from 1911 to 1931 due to a serious accident, not "greed." You have not demonstrated that the failure of electric vehicles is caused by greed. Who do you allege is greedy? If the electric power companies had as much influence as you think, they would have forced people to buy electric cars.
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    Wayne, Yea , that's why it was mainly used on trolleys and subways. They could easily feed the energy back to the grid by rail and wire, although this could also be done with trains, there would be several problems to overcome, obviously.

    Harold, I really wasn't trying to prove that electric cars failed due to greed, but there is proof, just read the stories behind the AMC prototype and the GM EV1. It's not really the electric companies that were the problem, it was big oil with the lobbyists and weak politicians [or greed]. I did say there was some kind of an accident to cause the embargo. Once problems were corrected regenerative brakes were commonly used until the late fifties, this is when politics again stood in the way of progress, as it commonly does today. Otherwise, we'd be closer to The Jetsons not The Flintstones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Wayne, Yea , that's why it was mainly used on trolleys and subways. They could easily feed the energy back to the grid by rail and wire, although this could also be done with trains, there would be several problems to overcome, obviously.

    Harold, I really wasn't trying to prove that electric cars failed due to greed, but there is proof, just read the stories behind the AMC prototype and the GM EV1. It's not really the electric companies that were the problem, it was big oil with the lobbyists and weak politicians [or greed]. I did say there was some kind of an accident to cause the embargo. Once problems were corrected regenerative brakes were commonly used until the late fifties, this is when politics again stood in the way of progress, as it commonly does today. Otherwise, we'd be closer to The Jetsons not The Flintstones.
    I've read the stories and they are crap. Your vague allegations of conspiracy hold no water. Conspiracy theories are standard fare for crackpots.

    Is that why you don't build the car you designed? Is big oil holding you back?
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    One thing is for sure: SELFISHNESS, IGNORANCE, LYING, THIEVING-COSTS-TIME, WEALTH, HEALTH, AND HAPPINESS!

    Where's your brilliant ideas Roldi? You sure got a smartass mouth, enough to piss a M.F. Off! Not sure what "stories you read", but the documentaries told all about how the A.M.C. car lost out 'cause of internal corruption and special interests [big oil], lobbyists and politicians who were involved, trying to say it was dangerous, and gasoline's not dangerous? The same with the G.M. EV1. Many famous people had one for a while, but G.M. wouldn't sell them, they would only lease them, and after G.M. was approached by the special interest groups [oil companies], who saw what it would do to their precious industry, they took them back from everyone, took them out to the desert and everyone of the cars were destroyed!, Why did they do that, Mr. know it all? G.M was hit with several law suits, from several famous people, like Mel Gibson for one, That's when they tried to make him look crazy, but a judge threw the law suits out, 'cause they never owned the cars. I know what you're thinking, but G.M. playing bankruptcy was just another ploy to get more money. Have you seen what they were doing behind everyones back, giving Wall Street, companies like this, and banks more than three and a half TRILLION dollars on 0.001 interest loans! Apparently theres a lot going on, that you don't know, oh, and that conspiracy has been proven!

    Although this thread was about how there is more than enough alternative energy without having to use oil, coal, or uranium.AND, yea, I could probably afford to build one, if I weren't paying all this money for gas!
    You don't even have a clue to what these selfish people within these outdated industries are costing, do you? They are the reasons the cost is so high for everything, they are the reasons for the wars, they are the reasons so many are starving to death, they are the reasons the future is bleak, and you stand with them! Shame and pity! "The meek shall inherit the Earth...", "And the men who hold high places..."


    BUTT, It is special little comments, from people like you, who are the exact reason the human race will destroy the environment and eliminate their own dumbass selves. Some idiots aren't worth the effort, now if you want to have a descent discussion, about how we can change what these idiots are doing, let me know. But, at this point, calling me a crackpot only makes me believe you are the ignorant crackpot, and makes me wonder how and why so many of you type people have had so much control over progress! Why don't you grow a brain cell, your mentalmasturbation is frustating at best. Really, you definitely should read the book "Kalopins Legacy". Really my work here is done. Yea, I know, Lock this thread, chickenshit. You got nothin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    One thing is for sure: SELFISHNESS, IGNORANCE, LYING, THIEVING-COSTS-TIME, WEALTH, HEALTH, AND HAPPINESS!

    Where's your brilliant ideas Roldi? You sure got a smartass mouth, enough to piss a M.F. Off! Not sure what "stories you read", but the documentaries told all about how the A.M.C. car lost out 'cause of internal corruption and special interests [big oil], lobbyists and politicians who were involved, trying to say it was dangerous, and gasoline's not dangerous?
    One man's "documentary" is another man's crackpot conspiracy theory.
    The same with the G.M. EV1. Many famous people had one for a while, but G.M. wouldn't sell them, they would only lease them, and after G.M. was approached by the special interest groups [oil companies], who saw what it would do to their precious industry, they took them back from everyone, took them out to the desert and everyone of the cars were destroyed!, Why did they do that, Mr. know it all?
    G.M.'s explanation was that they destroyed them because of California's law requiring them to provide spare parts for 15 years. This sounds like a pretty good reason to me. No cars on the road, no need to make spare parts.
    G.M was hit with several law suits, from several famous people, like Mel Gibson for one, That's when they tried to make him look crazy, but a judge threw the law suits out, 'cause they never owned the cars. I know what you're thinking, but G.M. playing bankruptcy was just another ploy to get more money. Have you seen what they were doing behind everyones back, giving Wall Street, companies like this, and banks more than three and a half TRILLION dollars on 0.001 interest loans! Apparently theres a lot going on, that you don't know, oh, and that conspiracy has been proven!
    What's this got to do with electric cars?
    Although this thread was about how there is more than enough alternative energy without having to use oil, coal, or uranium.AND, yea, I could probably afford to build one, if I weren't paying all this money for gas!
    Perpetual motion inventors always have some excuse why they can't make a perpetual motion machine.
    You don't even have a clue to what these selfish people within these outdated industries are costing, do you? They are the reasons the cost is so high for everything, they are the reasons for the wars, they are the reasons so many are starving to death, they are the reasons the future is bleak, and you stand with them! Shame and pity! "The meek shall inherit the Earth...", "And the men who hold high places..."


    BUTT, It is special little comments, from people like you, who are the exact reason the human race will destroy the environment and eliminate their own dumbass selves. Some idiots aren't worth the effort, now if you want to have a descent discussion, about how we can change what these idiots are doing, let me know. But, at this point, calling me a crackpot only makes me believe you are the ignorant crackpot, and makes me wonder how and why so many of you type people have had so much control over progress! Why don't you grow a brain cell, your mentalmasturbation is frustating at best. Really, you definitely should read the book "Kalopins Legacy". Really my work here is done. Yea, I know, Lock this thread, chickenshit. You got nothin!
    No, I'm not locking it. I want you to post some evidence.
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    Aweright then Roldi, you don't mind it if I call you Roldi do ya"? If we can remain civil, I'll tell ya'. They [G.M.] were leasing the cars to the ultrarich for big bucks [but the oil industry had G.M. by the cojones].They [G.M.] would have only had to replace batteries and brushes [every four or five years], not much for what they were getting, and the law suit was only so they [the leasers] could purchase the cars to have, and they wanted no warranty, just the vehicle, this is the truth, and you can check it.

    Now you want proof of perpetual machinery? Read these sites: Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver , The Resonate Coil Project - Transforming Cosmic Energy using Over Unity Devices , Directory:Atmospheric Electrostaic Energy - PESWiki ,also check out this new material called "Erbium Chloride Silicate" [rather than using erbium randomly as a dopant, it is introduced as part of a uniformed compound allowing a factor of 1000 times more erbium atoms, with no "clustering" effect] at http://asunews.asu.edu/20111115_ningerbiumdiscovery ,and there are plenty more, but be careful, there are many that don't want you to learn this. I also used to believe in the goodness of people, and conspiracies are for "crackpots",but once you study you'll find out, lose that little innocence, and understand, it's "Live and Let Die!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalopin View Post
    Aweright then Roldi, you don't mind it if I call you Roldi do ya"? If we can remain civil, I'll tell ya'. They [G.M.] were leasing the cars to the ultrarich for big bucks [but the oil industry had G.M. by the cojones].They [G.M.] would have only had to replace batteries and brushes [every four or five years], not much for what they were getting, and the law suit was only so they [the leasers] could purchase the cars to have, and they wanted no warranty, just the vehicle, this is the truth, and you can check it.
    Warranty or not, the law said they had to make spare parts.
    Now you want proof of perpetual machinery? Read these sites: Nikola Tesla Page, Tesla's power receiver , The Resonate Coil Project - Transforming Cosmic Energy using Over Unity Devices , Directory:Atmospheric Electrostaic Energy - PESWiki ,also check out this new material called "Ebrium Chloride Silicate" [rather than using erbium randomly as a dopant, it is introduced as part of a uniformed compound allowing a factor of 1000 times more erbium atoms, with no "clustering" effect] at New material can enhance energy, computer, lighting technologies | ASU News ,and there are plenty more, but be careful, there are many that don't want you to learn this. I also used to believe in the goodness of people, and conspiracies are for "crackpots",but once you study you'll find out, lose that little innocence, and understand, it's "Live and Let Die!"
    You are so gullible.
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    And yet, you still got nothin". I tell ya' what, Your right, let's just keep on doin' it this way and see, let's keep drillin', minin', burnin', frackin' it up,and smokin' it up, breathin' the lead, mercury, dust, smog, and radiation. Who cares what the next generation thinks about us, or what they have to put up with, you got yours, right? Screw that bleedin' heart, skatin' on thin ice, teared up Indian, right?
    Here's another chance for you to understand Nikola Tesla: Mechanical Oscillator ~ US Patent # 514,169 & # 517,900 ~ Tele-Geodynamics . If you read all of this, maybe you will have an epiphany.lol

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    NO, truthfully, it is you who has been the gullible one, in not understanding the better alternative, in helping destroy the middle class, in letting the oil, coal, and nuclear industries rule your life and take away the future of all, for a dolla'. Good luck, buddy. You must be one of those that evolved from a chimp=chump! Maybe the justice is me, slammin' the truth in your face. So, Jacob Marley, make a change, 'cause the links are gettin' heavier. A carbon footprint up yours!
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    The choice is not between environmental destruction and crackpottery. It is between environmental destruction and solid scientific solutions, or between crackpottery and solid science. Your solutions are no solutions at all.
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    Believe it or not, just read this and they are going to use my idea! Although I have been preaching this everywhere for the past 5 years, noone has given me any credit yet, so once you read this, could you at least say, "Well I'll be, congratulations Tony!"? Go to this site at http://energynow.com/video/2011/06/0...ations-0652011 , or google kinetic energy at energy now. THANKS!

    Recently on "Living with Ed", Ed Begely Jr. had a car that ran solely on kinetic energy, but I didn't see the whole show, and don't think it was explained.

    Actually, everyone of the solutions I mentioned have been used in one form or another, and to the results that were wanted and expected. It is quite difficult to educate one that doesn't want to learn, esoecially like this, how does the saying go "teach an old dog a new trick", but soon these same greedy companies will see how much they can make on these new technologies and take them over as well, so you got my word, mark it! I just hope it's before it gets so bad none of us can breathe.

    Want more to ponder? Look up "Our Electrostatic Earth and The Powers of The Pyramids", oh also check this out http://www.pyramidcode.com/ !
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    Soapbox racer runs solely on kinetic energy, more properly potential energy provided by gravity. All you must do is build hill where you are which is higher than intended destination. Not so good for round trips.

    If Kalopin spent less time at TSF and more in workshop, world would be saved sooner.

    Get Ed to help you.

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    with envy, lol, yea that helps! Wouldn't you miss me? Did ya' read the article? Makes you wonder, why start this in Israel, why not the U.S.?

    And, although you joke, I have a design for a track between and along highways, above, and if necessary below, ground that uses gravity, also electro-magnetics, simalar to a roller-coaster, to carry semis [goods and services] and/or cars and trucks, using little or no electricity, from one city to another. Like you said, just elevate the starting end at the right amount to travel at a higher rate than highway speeds, cut down considerably on traffic, and have a much safer commute. Maybe pay a little toll, probably a little less than the gas used would cost. Watcha' think?
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