# Thread: Rick Thielen's Theory On Black Holes, The Big Bang, and Gravity

1. When I was young I asked my second grade teacher about gravity. I asked her if she would explain what gravity was and how it worked. The teacher explained that the rotation of the earth creates gravity. I questioned her explaination in my mind. I thought to myself if I took a ball and dipped it in water then spun the ball the water would fly off. So I thought to myself what she told me didn't make sense at all. As the years past my thought process began to develop which would help me to understand the concept of gravity. Again when i was in the sixth grade i asked my teacher the same question about gravity. The teacher explained, put water in a bucket and hold the bucket in your hand and rotate your body extending your arm outward, you notice the water will remain in the bucket. I again said to myself if it wasn't for the sides of the bucket the water<br>
would be gone. There are no walls holding the oceans back, so I really didn't accept her explaination.As I approached my fourties I still on many occasions philosophized about gravity. To this point I have not heard any explainations about gravity that made any sense to me. I continued to try to understand the concepts of gravity. At one time I thought gravity could be some type of magnetic attraction, but one day a thought came to me, gravity could possibly be a push instead of a pull. I continued to toy with this idea and this is what ultimatly happened. I think that space as we know it and understand itis more than we imagined. Most of us know space as a cold empty vacuum. I believe space is more than that. If you could imagine a box filled with water, and all six sides were sealed. Now place a ball into the box directly in the center. There is an equal pressure on all the surfaces of the ball, disregarding the gravity of this planet. I believe space is similar to that water in the box theory. I believe our universe has restraints or space could be its own restraint. No one can be sure of the configuration of the restraints, box, ball, etc. When you add mass to the universe, the pressure of the space increases. The pressure of space is not thouroughly understood by myself or anyone. It's not exactly the same pressure as water. I feel that mass of any form displaces space. Laws of physics in this instance state that any mass, any size, diplaces space and space applies a force on all mass regardless of size. The larger the mass, the greater the force. the reason why objects and elements have different weights is because of the density of matter. Lead weighs more than aluminum because space can occupy the less dense material. The greatest amount of force from space (gravity) is at the point of convergance, in our case at the planets surface. That force has greater effect on the more dense matter and less effect on matter of less density. If our planet was larger in size everything on Earth would weigh more because as I mentioned before our planet in displacing space and space has a gravitational affect on everything on the planet. If you were able to place a golf ball into space it would have a very small amount of gravity because it is displacing space. The amount of gravity would be so little we could not measure it, But I am sure something would be attracted to it, maybe on a subatomic level. If you could hollow out the center of the Earth, say fifty feet in diameter, and you could go there, you would experience weightlessness exactly the same way as if you were in outer &nbsp;space. I believe the pressure of space is equal on all sides at the core of the Earth. There is a possibilty that sometime long ago, say around the time of the Big Bang, the restraints of space were much closer together. Imagine if the same amount of space that occupies our universe now was squeezed down trillions of times smaller, all the matter in the universe because of the greater force of space, would compress into one very large mass. Than imagine what would happen if the rerstraints of space expanded outward in all directions, maybe even faster than the speed of light. If the restraints &nbsp;moved faster than the speed of light, it still may have taken eons for our universe to come to its completion. There are other ideas (theories) about how the restraints actually changed positions. Suppose the restraints of space expanded to only half its intended capacity until the smaller portions of matter reached to what seemed to be to us the extremities of space, then the restraints of space expanded even more. Many of the fragments from the Big Bang may have been spinning at that time and suddenly exploded because the restraints expanded even further which could explain spiral galaxies. It's a known fact that most galaxies have a black hole in the center of them. Some are active and some are inactive, no one knows the reason for the this as of yet. Scientists know of the black holes that are active, matter is being removed from space, there are many therories as to where that matter goes. If my theory is correct, this would reduce the amount of matter and space in the universe. Therfore if the matter and space consumed by black holes were not replenish the effects of gravity would progressively become less on all matter in the universe. Everything on planet Earth would progessively become lighter. There are two things that need to take place in order to keep the effect of gravity at a constant, something that would manufacture space and matter and dump it into the universe or the restraints are receding to compensate for the loss of space and matter. I think the second of the two is more acceptable. I know that it was said that our universe is expanding. I believe it's receding. Some persons would think, my goodness were being closed in, but the amount of the restraints have moved since the Big Bang is minimal. I don't believe all that I have described was a random act, but I display of unbelievable engineering. R. A. Thielen

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3. Originally Posted by rick
When I was young I asked my second grade teacher about gravity. I asked her if she would explain what gravity was and how it worked. The teacher explained that the rotation of the earth creates gravity. I questioned her explaination in my mind. I thought to myself if I took a ball and dipped it in water then spun the ball the water would fly off. So I thought to myself what she told me didn't make sense at all. As the years past my thought process began to develop which would help me to understand the concept of gravity. Again when i was in the sixth grade i asked my teacher the same question about gravity. The teacher explained, put water in a bucket and hold the bucket in your hand and rotate your body extending your arm outward, you notice the water will remain in the bucket. I again said to myself if it wasn't for the sides of the bucket the water<br>
would be gone. There are no walls holding the oceans back, so I really didn't accept her explaination.As I approached my fourties I still on many occasions philosophized about gravity. To this point I have not heard any explainations about gravity that made any sense to me. I continued to try to understand the concepts of gravity. At one time I thought gravity could be some type of magnetic attraction, but one day a thought came to me, gravity could possibly be a push instead of a pull. I continued to toy with this idea and this is what ultimatly happened. I think that space as we know it and understand itis more than we imagined. Most of us know space as a cold empty vacuum. I believe space is more than that. If you could imagine a box filled with water, and all six sides were sealed. Now place a ball into the box directly in the center. There is an equal pressure on all the surfaces of the ball, disregarding the gravity of this planet. I believe space is similar to that water in the box theory. I believe our universe has restraints or space could be its own restraint. No one can be sure of the configuration of the restraints, box, ball, etc. When you add mass to the universe, the pressure of the space increases. The pressure of space is not thouroughly understood by myself or anyone. It's not exactly the same pressure as water. I feel that mass of any form displaces space. Laws of physics in this instance state that any mass, any size, diplaces space and space applies a force on all mass regardless of size. The larger the mass, the greater the force. the reason why objects and elements have different weights is because of the density of matter. Lead weighs more than aluminum because space can occupy the less dense material. The greatest amount of force from space (gravity) is at the point of convergance, in our case at the planets surface. That force has greater effect on the more dense matter and less effect on matter of less density. If our planet was larger in size everything on Earth would weigh more because as I mentioned before our planet in displacing space and space has a gravitational affect on everything on the planet. If you were able to place a golf ball into space it would have a very small amount of gravity because it is displacing space. The amount of gravity would be so little we could not measure it, But I am sure something would be attracted to it, maybe on a subatomic level. If you could hollow out the center of the Earth, say fifty feet in diameter, and you could go there, you would experience weightlessness exactly the same way as if you were in outer &nbsp;space. I believe the pressure of space is equal on all sides at the core of the Earth. There is a possibilty that sometime long ago, say around the time of the Big Bang, the restraints of space were much closer together. Imagine if the same amount of space that occupies our universe now was squeezed down trillions of times smaller, all the matter in the universe because of the greater force of space, would compress into one very large mass. Than imagine what would happen if the rerstraints of space expanded outward in all directions, maybe even faster than the speed of light. If the restraints &nbsp;moved faster than the speed of light, it still may have taken eons for our universe to come to its completion. There are other ideas (theories) about how the restraints actually changed positions. Suppose the restraints of space expanded to only half its intended capacity until the smaller portions of matter reached to what seemed to be to us the extremities of space, then the restraints of space expanded even more. Many of the fragments from the Big Bang may have been spinning at that time and suddenly exploded because the restraints expanded even further which could explain spiral galaxies. It's a known fact that most galaxies have a black hole in the center of them. Some are active and some are inactive, no one knows the reason for the this as of yet. Scientists know of the black holes that are active, matter is being removed from space, there are many therories as to where that matter goes. If my theory is correct, this would reduce the amount of matter and space in the universe. Therfore if the matter and space consumed by black holes were not replenish the effects of gravity would progressively become less on all matter in the universe. Everything on planet Earth would progessively become lighter. There are two things that need to take place in order to keep the effect of gravity at a constant, something that would manufacture space and matter and dump it into the universe or the restraints are receding to compensate for the loss of space and matter. I think the second of the two is more acceptable. I know that it was said that our universe is expanding. I believe it's receding. Some persons would think, my goodness were being closed in, but the amount of the restraints have moved since the Big Bang is minimal. I don't believe all that I have described was a random act, but I display of unbelievable engineering. R. A. Thielen
Perhaps that explains why He can walk on water.

4. Two things:

1) Paragraphs are your friend. I gave up reading after (what felt liek) 10,000 words so I didn't get much out of that.

2) You had some really dumb teachers. Gravity is pretty well understood. Feel free to ask some (short) questions.

5. Rick, you haven't really offered any evidence to support your hypothesis. I have moved it to pseudoscience.

You refer to the big bang and black holes as though they were observed facts. They are actually inferred from the current cosmological theories based on Einstein's theory of special relativity, which has its own explanation of gravity. So, if you don't accept special relativity, then you cannot talk about the big bang and there aren't any black holes.

Your hypothesis almost sound like push gravity but that has been pretty well discredited.
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