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  1. #1 Fractals, the Key to True Artificial Intelligence 
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    I had one of my mini-epiphanies this morning. I recently watched a science documentary on fractals, and the fact that "nature" is essentially a construct of fractals, on virtually every level. One of the things that they said was that eye motion was also fractalated. It then occurred to me that in all likelihood all of the functions of the brain, including intelligence, are fractalated. Then I was hit by another mini-lightning bolt and realized that in all likelihood the key to creating true, creative, artificial "intelligence", of all kinds, sub-human, human, and superhuman, is understanding the fractals that govern intelligence both in the physiology and function of brains and nerve systems of all kinds.


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    Documentaries are nice and all, but usually short on concrete details. Do you have any idea what a fractal governing intelligence would be, or what fractals in general are? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's all too vague to be excited about.


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    the brain is a factal.
    it consists of 3 parts.
    input
    output
    executive

    each of these 3 parts likewise consists of 3 parts and so on till you get to neurons.

    alot of info goes straight from input to output and never gets to the executive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by granpa View Post
    the brain is a factal.
    it consists of 3 parts.
    input
    output
    executive

    each of these 3 parts likewise consists of 3 parts and so on till you get to neurons.

    alot of info goes straight from input to output and never gets to the executive.
    No it isn't. Why are there so many ignoramuses on a science forum>?

    Wikipedia's definition of a fractal:

    A fractal is "a rough or fragmented geometric shape that can be split into parts, each of which is (at least approximately) a reduced-size copy of the whole"

    That isn't even entirely accurate, as a fractal is really just a formula, where points falling on one side of a line are shaded. Since you never reach 0 with division, they become infinitely self-similar.

    You are blathering about nothing and it's completely offtopic in the first place.
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    I dont normally respond to trolls but I was wanting to add this image anyway.


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    You're the troll, the brain isn't composed of "3 parts", never mind the fact that you aren't even coherent.

    Someone needs to seriously get a banhammer out on these forums and remove the people who spam HOKUM.

    Because as it is, it's more like the entire site is a pseudoscience forum.
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    not composed of 3 parts?
    this is basic high school biology stuff.
    its clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Anatomy of the Brain

    The Central Nervous System

    The brain of all vertebrates develops from three swellings at the anterior end of the neural tube of the embryo. From front to back these develop into the
    • forebrain (also known as the prosencephalon — shown in light color)
    • midbrain (mesencephalon — gray)
    • hindbrain (rhombencephalon — dark color) The human brain is shown from behind so that the cerebellum can be seen.
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    That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The brain has more than three parts by a lot. So obviously you just stopped at the highschool level. Some of us went to college.

    That doesn't make the human brain a fractal in any way, form, or fashion. You have failed to show me how the human grey matter is an infinitely recursive algorithm.
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    you know what?
    this is starting to sound a lot like "I want know more about it but it would kill me to ask so I'll just act like a total creep and trick you into doing my homework for me"

    do your own homework
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmounes View Post

    Someone needs to seriously get a banhammer out on these forums and remove the people who spam HOKUM.

    Because as it is, it's more like the entire site is a pseudoscience forum.
    I agree! My knowledge is pretty basic and there are posts I can't follow and others that are clearly nonsense.
    I am also certain there are posts, couched in technical jargon, that have nothing to do with real science.
    TSF lost something when some individuals left or post much less often than before.
    In particular, DrRocket appeared to have the ability, knowledge, and time to spot these posts in a number of sub forums.
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    I would like to hear a more elaborate explanation of the human brain as a fractal. How does the assignment of various functions to various parts of the brain play into this?
    Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid would be a good book for those who'd like to see the connection between recursion and intelligence.
    Last edited by VnnE4aEXxfhkrjPX; April 14th, 2012 at 08:09 PM.
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    i want something else... can we make artificial inteligence as smart as harware can be? what i mean is that: if a play a game, and there some rules, there are some enamies, and they have a scope to kill me... so can i make them to act as smart as my hardware can handle? example: i start the game with a processor of 10ghz, and then i play the same game but on another more powerfull processor of 20ghz, that ressoults in 2 complicatet artificial intelect, and more complex actions waited from his side... so can it be posible? beacause if yes... then we are in deep shit.
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    CDT (causal dynamic triangulation) has been proposed as a fundamental universal structure. So far it does not seem in conflict with GR and/or QM.
    Fractals show up everywhere and clearly play an important role in the universe at every level.
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    This is natural fractals:
    http://blogs.ethz.ch/kowalski/files/...al-cabbage.jpg

    A brain a fractal? A brain is less fractal that a dice for games.
    In the information age ignorance is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerling View Post
    This is natural fractals:
    http://blogs.ethz.ch/kowalski/files/...al-cabbage.jpg

    A brain a fractal? A brain is less fractal that a dice for games.
    Almost everything in nature is fractal.

    Actually our nervous system, our arterial system, our brain are all fractal systems.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...actal-thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kerling View Post
    This is natural fractals:
    http://blogs.ethz.ch/kowalski/files/...al-cabbage.jpg

    A brain a fractal? A brain is less fractal that a dice for games.
    Almost everything in nature is fractal.

    Actually our nervous system, our arterial system, our brain are all fractal systems.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...actal-thoughts
    If it interests you check out Renate Loll's CDT (causal dynamic triangulation).
    Causal dynamical triangulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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