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    I have for some time wondered about the nightsky with all the stars up there and believe to have heard some theory long time ago about the stars only being shining spots of light 400 to 500 km above our very heads. I did not give it much thought back then because: how could that be? Then the other day I was standing out side my parents house in the garden at night and looking at the stars and I became aware of holographic laserlight technology I had seen in some show and then the theory some how made sense.

    According to the theory it mens that earth is somehow encapsulated in some holographic starcarpet that stretches no more than 4 – 500 km into space from earths ground surface where the stars are mere shining spots of light, carefully placed there as there had to be some connection with the astrological starsigns and their significance. A sun / a powerfull holographic lamp that is programmed to rise in the east at morning and sets to the east at night and a depicted moon.

    Also the science that today says that stars should be suns shining millions lighyears away from earth sounds a bit silly when you think about it. Obviously they could then not be seen with the mere eye from earth.

    The technology itself should not be so diffucult to grasp for especially young people who were brought up in the 70´- 80´ and 90´ and were constantly filled with films and documentaries about space. E.g. Startreak ( that actually gives us a lot of ideas of holographic technology, Holodeck etc. ), Mission to Mars, Total recall and so on...

    As I understand it, if we were to turn off this holographic starcarpet we would then, and only then see up close the near by 40.000 satellites, big spaceships and spacestations and other space modules orbiting around earth in the outer space atmosphere.

    I would like to hear from others what they make of it???

    Thankyou for feedback. Martin, Denmark


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    It's total bullcrap.


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    somewhat reminiscant (spelled wrong, sorry) od thw ptolemic model, prove wrong hundreds of years ago. Plus the voyager probes would have crashed into the curtain by now.
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    Never mind deep-space probes, our own satelites would be above this curtain if it were only 400km above the surface.
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    stupid me. sorry
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    Ah, but then, I think I am correct in saying that the ISS does not have carpets. Coincidence? I think not!
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    what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    Also the science that today says that stars should be suns shining millions lighyears away from earth sounds a bit silly when you think about it. Obviously they could then not be seen with the mere eye from earth.
    Quote me the scientific paper where any scientist claims that you can see the light of a single star from a distance of millions of light years. It sounds silly because it is silly- a silly assumption you have made. As far as I know, most of the stars we observe in the night sky are on the order of 100-1000 LY from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    what?
    Exactly.
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    No I think the science that says stars are suns lightning 100 -1000
    of lightyears away is bullcrap. How would we ever be able to see such
    ting with the mere eye from earth????

    And again, where are those aprox. 40.000 satellites that should be orbiting
    earth as we speak if this theory was fake. If this was right they should not be so
    differcult to se with the human eye, as somewhat big lightning metal probes hoovering around in the near or outerspace environment not so far from earth. What a show that would be to look at.

    I should not be surpriced if we find out that all the socalled satellites
    are hooked up to one big spaceserver station that manages all cable tv stations
    on earth.

    According to the theory, there would obviosly be some group that lives in
    space and monitor all underdeveloped planets with such hi-tech advanced holographic technology. And decides if earth humanity is ready to come out in open space or not. And surely some things are appearantly keept secret in the media.

    I my self is of the belief that there exists life in the universe, both human
    and non-human and have done so for billions and trillions of year.
    The last I have heard from our own science world is infact that there possible
    exist between 40.000 to 50.000 exo-planets just in our own galaxie - the Milkyway.
    That is earth alike planets with the right conditions for life.

    Why is it also that we never hear or see so many documentaries about satellites,
    and the ordinary work with on dayli basis. Where do a tv-cable station get their
    licens rights to launch a new broadcasting network. And will they send up a new
    satellite when that happens or just hook the signal to a already in space orbiting
    probe. Where do they lauch it from, and is it still only the US that has the means and rights to send up and launch cable network-satellites.

    And again, today we commen citizens (earthlings He he) have Google Earth to sit and play with at our home computer and that can be fun from time to time, but really why the h... do we not get more media insight into the workingday of an Intel agency, like the CIA, FBI, INTERPOL, PET. what is it they are monitoring when sitting on their big fat asses everyday, with what we could assume were big fancy and expensive satellite equipment they are playing around with in this institutions. It should not take so long to hunt down a world know theorist or an emerging amatheurtherorgroup. I mean such small a planet as earth to overlook
    with so much personal and expensive equipment. So much for the hard earned tax money, where do they go ---> to big fat donuts, coffee and smalltalk all day.
    So much for world security, I say to you. Something is wrong somewhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    No I think the science that says stars are suns lightning millions
    of lightyears away is bullcrap. How would we ever be able to see such
    ting with the mere eye from earth????
    Science doesn't say that. Scientists don't say it either. The visible stars are much closer to us than that.
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    we are all just a computer program programmed by ancient aleins who decided our physical selves were to dangerous to themselves so they put us into the computer. When we are extra good we can come out of the program and live real lives. Thats my theory. The scientists are wrong because they are not as enlightend as me. I am the savior of the universe with this theory.

    See. two can play that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    No I think the science that says stars are suns lightning 100 -1000
    of lightyears away is bullcrap. How would we ever be able to see such
    ting with the mere eye from earth????
    Whether or not we can see them depends on their brightness and proximity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    And again, where are those aprox. 40.000 satellites that should be orbiting
    earth as we speak if this theory was fake.
    Erm, they're orbiting the Earth. Where did you think they were, in your sock drawer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    If this was right they should not be so
    differcult to se with the human eye, as somewhat big lightning metal probes hoovering around in the near or outerspace environment not so far from earth. What a show that would be to look at.
    A satelite might be, say, 3 metres across. It will also be thousands of miles away. Can you see a family car when it is thousands of miles away? No. So why would you expect to see a satelite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    Why is it also that we never hear or see so many documentaries about satellites,
    and the ordinary work with on dayli basis.
    It's boring. All they do is relay data and stream the time according to their on-board clocks.
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    This time of year, from the northern hemisphere, you can easily see 150 of those satellites in a night. Just casually observing from a seriously light polluted location, I pointed out a half a dozen in a friends back yard in half an hour. If I was making a dedicated effort, we could have seen dozens.
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    I see, I see you dont like this theory in this decade obviously and thats okay I am just trying to explain what Darwin said to people back in the days, what Don Christopher Columbus tryed to prove sailing over the seas. And that is the thanks you get. Hmmph Bullyshit. Well at least we dont get burned like witches today for such theories.

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    Okay okay Thebiologista, I hear you, then not millions of lightyears away but
    100 - 1000 lightyears then.

    But what difference does it make really:

    1 light year is the distance light can travel in vacuum in one year’s time.
    This distance is equivalent to roughly 9,461,000,000,000 km or 5,878,000,000,000 miles.

    I would say that 9,461,000,000,000 km multiplied with 100 or 1000 is a very long way, so just to make a point, it is very very very far out and I still dont believe you
    would see them from earth. Why are they aligned in such order, some stars would surely be closer than others and thereby much bigger.

    What were your feedback on the coffeedrinking Intelligence agencies that perhaps have 1000 big expensive "google earth" times 9 satellites at their disposal. Dont they talk together or is diplomacy failing for to much paperwork and doing nothing???

    And how about the media itself, we dont get nothing out the media exept crisis and chaos, wars, starving people.... so very depressive. And the latest sci-fi films to talk about them, nothing but hustile alien takeovers of some big ugly stupid alien spreading paniq in the masses and fear of something that is never going to happen anyway. What about Avatar, a typical macho military bullshit film, with people here from earth wanting to hustile take over some beutyful
    blue planet called pandora, and masacre their inhabitants. And I could go on and on and on with bullshit films going out of Hollywood these times. Just because there is a economical crisis does not mean they have to make shitty films, or make us hear of what little bit of scary things a going on in Africa or the middle-east.

    Why was the disclosure project in the 90´diminished again after area51 employees and others gave testamony before congress about UFO sightings?

    The flying car or the electrical car should have been here by now, why has that not occured.

    We landed on the moon in 1969 and almost nothing has happend sinze then regarding spacetravel, are we suppose to concider that a joke here close to 2012?

    MeteorWayne, okay fair enough, you must have been lucky seeing so many that day, I my self have only seen one of our socalled satellites.

    And what about shooting stars, ha ha, be carefull what you wish for they say

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    "Shooting stars" are simply small comets/meteors entering the Earth's atmosphere and burning up as they do so- these comets can be only a few cm in diameter and very far away, but you still see them because roughly 10% of their mass is converted into light energy upon burning up. This is roughly the same principle with stars 100-1000 light years away, except they have a hell of a lot more light energy conversion than a small comet.

    I may be wrong in saying this, but I think some of those points of light are actually galaxies millions of light years away- and you can see their light because it is so intense; produced by hundreds of billions of stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    Okay okay Thebiologista, I hear you, then not millions of lightyears away but
    100 - 1000 lightyears then.

    But what difference does it make really.
    It makes this difference:

    1 million light years = 9 460 730 472 580 800 000 km

    100 light years = 946 073 047 258 080 km

    That's a fairly large difference...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    I would say that 9,461,000,000,000 km multiplied with 100 or 1000 is a very long way, so just to make a point, it is very very very far out and I still dont believe you
    would see them from earth.
    Go outside at night. Look up.

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    Why are they aligned in such order, some stars would surely be closer than others and thereby much bigger.
    Go outside at night. Look up. Some stars are brighter than others.

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    The flying car or the electrical car should have been here by now, why has that not occured.
    Both of these exist.

    flying car
    electric car

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    We landed on the moon in 1969 and almost nothing has happend sinze then regarding spacetravel, are we suppose to concider that a joke here close to 2012?
    The cold war finished, funding for such things dried up. Also, the moon is considerably closer than, say, Jupiter. We have, however, sent unmanned probes all over the solar system - does that count as progress?

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthb2000
    And what about shooting stars
    What about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    The cold war finished, funding for such things dried up. Also, the moon is considerably closer than, say, Jupiter. We have, however, sent unmanned probes all over the solar system - does that count as progress?
    That is considerable progress of which many people do not appreciate the importance and brilliance of. However, I will say that we should've achieved so much more by now- but, as always, the politicians have kept their heads buried in their wallets preventing exponential space travel growth. Such is humanity, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    I may be wrong in saying this, but I think some of those points of light are actually galaxies millions of light years away- and you can see their light because it is so intense; produced by hundreds of billions of stars.
    Yep. M31 is around 2.5 million light years from Earth, seen by the naked eye as one of the brightest stars in the Andromeda constellation. Through even a cheap telescope it is seen to be a spiral galaxy; the largest galaxy in the local group.
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    All stars are too small to be resolved by the human eye, whether they are large and close, or small and far. They are smaller than the pixel size of the human eye.

    All that matters to our perception is how much light reaches our eye (and for the brighter stars, the color), which is governed by two factors. How bright the star is instrinsically (some are far brighter than the sun, some are much dimmer) and how far away they are (the observed brightness falls as the square of the distance). 2 Planets (Venus, Jupiter) can get large enough for sharp eyed individuals to resolve a disk, or in the case of Venus a crescent.

    Regarding satellites, if you have only seen one, you have made no effort at all to see any. As I said, this time of year, at my latitude there are hundreds per night. I just did a count of predictions for my location for tonight; between dusk and dawn there are 291 predicted visible satellites brighter than magnitude +4.5. During my meteor observing sessions I typically see another 30% that are not predicted, either too faint to be listed, outdated orbital elemants. or flares from Iridium satallites, or other tumbling sats or rocket bodies. So lets say 400 a night. So if you have only seen 1 in your life, you almost have to be deliberately not looking.

    What about shooting stars? This year I have documented 85 in 16.57 hours. Over the last 6 years it's 3181 meteors in 323.06 hours. All of these observations are reported to the International Meteor Organization, and compiled in the Visual Meteor Database along with observations from hundreds of others worldwide.

    Shooting stars are not small comets BTW x(x-y). They do not have a coma in space that would make them visible before hitting the atmosphere. In space, the objects are properly called meteoroids. The visual streak as they burn up in the atmopshere is what is called a meteor. Any pieces that make it to the ground (from large, very bright meteors) are called meteorites.

    The meteoroids are almost exclusively comet dust, ejected from the surface of comets as the ices sublimate when the comet nucleus gets close enough to the sun. A very small percentage come from asteroids. They range in size from the size of a smoke particle (for the fast shower meteors like the Leonids, Perseids, and Oroinids) to a few cm in size for the bright meteors (Venus brightness)

    drowsy turtle, the Andromeda galaxy (M31) does not look anything like a star to the naked eye. Rather it is a faint fuzzy blob. In the southern sky, the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds, satellite galaxies of the Milky Way, are also visible as fuzzy blobs, but they are much closer, "only" 160,000 and 200,000 light years away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    No I think the science that says stars are suns lightning 100 -1000
    of lightyears away is bullcrap. How would we ever be able to see such
    ting with the mere eye from earth????
    Did you ever bother to actually work it out before you declared it bull crap?

    At its present distance from the Earth, the Sun is some 1 x 10^13 times brighter than a star that our eyes can see. If you work out how far away the Sun would have to be in order to be as dim as that star (still visible to the eye) it would have to be 50 light years away. And our Sun is quite mediocre in total brightness as far as stars go. A star 1000 light years away would have to be 400 times brighter than the sun to still be visible by eye and that is not unusual. IOW, stars put out a lot of light.

    That just means that most of the stars you see in the sky are intrinsically brighter than our Sun. That's not to say that most stars are brighter than out Sun, more are actually dimmer. We just can't see the dimmer ones without a telescope. (In fact, of the 50 closest stars to the Sun, only 9 are visible to the eye.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    drowsy turtle, the Andromeda galaxy (M31) does not look anything like a star to the naked eye.
    I meant 'star' in the sense of 'light in the sky', but point taken, thanks.
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    Rather, fuzzy blob taken
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    I'm glad that Andromeda thing's been cleared up. I thought it was my eyes.
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    Lucky me. Lucky mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    Shooting stars are not small comets BTW x(x-y). They do not have a coma in space that would make them visible before hitting the atmosphere. In space, the objects are properly called meteoroids. The visual streak as they burn up in the atmopshere is what is called a meteor. Any pieces that make it to the ground (from large, very bright meteors) are called meteorites.
    Ah, thank you for correcting me. I thought my terminology may have been wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    This time of year, from the northern hemisphere, you can easily see 150 of those satellites in a night. Just casually observing from a seriously light polluted location, I pointed out a half a dozen in a friends back yard in half an hour. If I was making a dedicated effort, we could have seen dozens.
    You were seeing them with the naked eye? I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I'd like to know how. I never considered they were visible; that's quite fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beard Baron
    I'm not trying to derail this thread
    Let's face it, the rails this thread was on were made of marmalade to begin with :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beard Baron
    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    This time of year, from the northern hemisphere, you can easily see 150 of those satellites in a night. Just casually observing from a seriously light polluted location, I pointed out a half a dozen in a friends back yard in half an hour. If I was making a dedicated effort, we could have seen dozens.
    You were seeing them with the naked eye? I'm not trying to derail this thread, but I'd like to know how. I never considered they were visible; that's quite fun!
    Yeah, they were the easy ones, impossible to miss. Atleast Magnitude +2, like Polaris, the north star. Go to Heavens-Above.com, enter your location (as accurately as possible; not a big deal for most sats, but VERY important for Iridium Flares) then bookmark the page. Like I said, 291 in a night, not a bad haul if you can stay awake all night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeteorWayne
    Yeah, they were the easy ones, impossible to miss. Atleast Magnitude +2, like Polaris, the north star. Go to Heavens-Above.com, enter your location (as accurately as possible; not a big deal for most sats, but VERY important for Iridium Flares) then bookmark the page. Like I said, 291 in a night, not a bad haul if you can stay awake all night!

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    HAHAHA!! This is fantastic! I know what I'm doing tonight! Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars
    Okay okay Thebiologista, I hear you, then not millions of lightyears away but
    100 - 1000 lightyears then.

    But what difference does it make really:
    It's a 1000-10000x difference. Or 3-4 orders of magnitude. Or to put it in layman's terms, it's a huge effing difference.
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    theres a tongue twister in spanish:

    the sky is full of bricks who will unbrick it? the unbricker who unbricks it good unbricker will be

    i measured earth radius: its 600 km

    ive seen the moon 90º offset from high tide

    ive seen sun and moon uin 45º angle when they should sahpe 90º
    makes you wonder what the real sky looks like

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    as shakesperare said the world is a stage seems the truman delusion extends:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
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    hey and why i i cant edit my own posts saying you can not edit post not yours?

    and i have to clear my cookies every time i post?

    maybe you belong to the 1% of the people who is real the rest the rest 99% of people act i noticed long ago
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    Tell us how you arrived at the conclusion of the Earth having a 600km radius- show your calculations in detail.
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    Okay I see a lot of things that you write may be correct. So on my behalf I have reduced the Holographic laser carpet
    to a theory. But could we for a moment please play with the idea, that people or races from other planets actually did exist
    and it was normal for them to encapsulate a planet from the day it was born through out the galaxy in a holographic technology. What notions and
    ideas do you make of that?

    And also why is holographic technology not a standard yet on earth in daily electronic devices etc.?
    Why has wap technology not been invented yet? Could it be that someone is holding back the technology development
    on earth?

    And you still have not answered my questions about what the intelligence agencies are doing with all that modern
    state of the art satellite technology to keep earth safe. From a logically point of view it should not take so long for a small
    group of men or women that have worked with observation / security in decades to
    systematically ensure and keep and "eye" on small parts of earths people everyday.
    And then find the exstremist groups and get them under observation / control to prevent a terror attack before it happen.

    Should we blaim poor uneducated muslims and other groups or the high educated Intel services that have all means and
    equipment neccesary to scan throug a small planet as earth relatively quick? And why a professional military men ( soldiers on ground )
    not mad at these Intel services that has to deliver the strategically work from air to ground and be their eyes and ears via
    satellites and up links. More attention from the public towards these agencies would be a good thing.
    Why do the filmmakers not do more film on planets laying close to eachother in space? And why do documentaries with
    computer graphics show how the dinosaurs lived back then and never show fictional stories about a planet cluster of 100 or 1000
    planets laying right up on one a nother in some starsystem, What a sight that would be. Perhaps someone have some pictures of that?


    We hear a lot a planetary force in films and fiction. Have anybody had some ideas on how it would function if it really existed?
    There would have to be some techncally side to it, perhaps some math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars View Post
    And also why is holographic technology not a standard yet on earth in daily electronic devices etc.?
    It is. Look at your credit card.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars View Post
    Why has wap technology not been invented yet?
    Because warp technology originates in works of fiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars View Post
    Could it be that someone is holding back the technology development
    on earth?
    No.

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    And you still have not answered my questions about what the intelligence agencies are doing with all that modern
    state of the art satellite technology to keep earth safe.
    Mostly, they're trying to make themselves rich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onmars View Post
    Why do the filmmakers not do more film on planets laying close to eachother in space? And why do documentaries with
    computer graphics show how the dinosaurs lived back then and never show fictional stories about a planet cluster of 100 or 1000
    planets laying right up on one a nother in some starsystem, What a sight that would be.
    Not a bad idea actually. The problem with it is that such clusters [if they existed] would be chaotic, with countless collisions between the bodies within it (and so would not be able to support life). The result is that whenever there are clusters that roughly fit your description, the various 'planetoids' accrete into distinct, seperate planets in seperate orbits. In fact, this is exactly how our own solar system formed.
    "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." ~ Douglas Adams
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    bgny.jpg

    How about this picture.

    Or this:

    planet.jpg

    IF one theoretically was brought up on Jupiter, one would see 63 moons in the sky either at day or night. What a sight
    But only one sun. I think I saw it in movies where a planet had more than 2 and 3 suns and it was also a pretty fantastic view and it should
    not be that unrealistic..

    I do blieve that there are some truth to these fictonally pictures. Ofcourse life exist other places in the universe, too bad that some of them are like lawyers, bloodsucking, oppressing but maybe to some degree fair.

    Iguess it is not always true when mankind of earth is posed as hustile incompetent people, when actually it is some ordinary groups from space beeing
    SMALLISH!!!! with space when all that room exist.

    /Martin
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    Mostly, they're trying to make themselves rich.
    Can you elaborate on that? Sounds ... like .... I dont know what
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