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  1. #1 Do natural energy vortexes exist? 
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    I have heard that natural energy vortexes exist which you can find with an electromagnet sensor.

    Is this true? I hear there is a lot of them in California.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    I hear there is a lot of them in California.
    There is a lot of pot smoked in California. That might be the connection.

    What do you think a natural energy vortex is? To me it is a meaningless concatenation of words intended to sound significant, but having the semantic value of an overcooked pigeon. I suppose a tornado is a natural energy vortex, but it's simpler to call it a tornado. And that's not what you mean, is it?

    In a word - pseudoscience.
    In a shorter word - crap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    I hear there is a lot of them in California.
    There is a lot of pot smoked in California. That might be the connection.

    What do you think a natural energy vortex is? To me it is a meaningless concatenation of words intended to sound significant, but having the semantic value of an overcooked pigeon. I suppose a tornado is a natural energy vortex, but it's simpler to call it a tornado. And that's not what you mean, is it?

    In a word - pseudoscience.
    In a shorter word - crap.
    K thx for the info. Would had been nicer without the attitude but thx.
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    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
    You need to more clearly define vortex. As stated above you are leaving it to symantics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
    Well it was just a question and your sitting there thinking your Einstein or something. Grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
    Well it was just a question and your sitting there thinking your Einstein or something. Grow up.
    In my experiance here, the above poster isn't far off einstein haha. But your question still remains undefined thus impossible to answer. A vortex could mean a vacuum thus they exist in abundance. It could mean perhaps an electrical storm, in which case they also appear in abundance. Clarify what you are asking and you may yet get an answer to your question
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    Quote Originally Posted by somfooleishfool
    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
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    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
    Well it was just a question and your sitting there thinking your Einstein or something. Grow up.
    In my experiance here, the above poster isn't far off einstein haha. But your question still remains undefined thus impossible to answer. A vortex could mean a vacuum thus they exist in abundance. It could mean perhaps an electrical storm, in which case they also appear in abundance. Clarify what you are asking and you may yet get an answer to your question
    Yeh ok fair enough it was not clear. Would had been nicer had that guy said that to begin with with no attitude instead of acting like he some Science God or something. Bet you 100 dollars he would not have acted like that towards me or any other person if they asked this question to him in person! typical internet toughguy.

    Forget it now. Was an innocent question but that idiot killed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Would had been nicer had that guy said that to begin with with no attitude instead of acting like he some Science God or something. Bet you 100 dollars he would not have acted like that towards me or any other person if they asked this question to him in person!
    I'll take that bet. How will you be making your payment to me? Shall I setup a paypal account, perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Would had been nicer had that guy said that to begin with with no attitude instead of acting like he some Science God or something. Bet you 100 dollars he would not have acted like that towards me or any other person if they asked this question to him in person!
    I'll take that bet. How will you be making your payment to me? Shall I setup a paypal account, perhaps?
    Idiot grow up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Would had been nicer had that guy said that to begin with with no attitude instead of acting like he some Science God or something. Bet you 100 dollars he would not have acted like that towards me or any other person if they asked this question to him in person!
    I'll take that bet. How will you be making your payment to me? Shall I setup a paypal account, perhaps?
    Idiot grow up!
    Ah, the lack of self-awareness on the internet sometimes is fascinating.


    Would it be safe for me to assume then that you were lying and not being truthful when you stated that you "bet 100 dollars" that Ophiolite would not approach someone with the same bluntness and precision in person?

    I am very serious when I say I'm willing to take your bet. I've read his posts for years, and feel rather confident that I will come out on top. However, being a true bet, perhaps we should discuss how best I can transfer payment to you should I be mistaken (as unlikely as that is)?


    In fairness, at least he gave you an on-topic reply. I'd have likely told you that you're making zero sense and talking bollocks, all the while seeming to have a profound inferiority complex. Seriously... WTF is a "natural energy vortex," and where precisely is it that you "heard there are a lot of them in california?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Donald,
    this is a science forum. Natural energy vortices are seriously non-science. If I post a low key refutation of the concept you may very well have got the message loud and clear, but the chances are that several lurkers would miss it and walk away with the idea that there might be something to them.

    So, yes - I have an attitude. That attitude is that pseudoscience is to condemned vigorously; that nonsense is to be identified directly, promptly and without euphemism. I will happily go into detailed discussion with anyone on topics like this, demonstrating why it is nonsense, but I shall still call it crap.

    I regret that this attitude was not to your liking, but for the reasons outlined above I shall be continuing with it.
    Well it was just a question and your sitting there thinking your Einstein or something. Grow up.
    I most certainly do not think I am Einstein. Were you foolish enough to read through my 7,000 plus posts you would see that on many occassions I have declared my serious weakness in physics and my abyssmal skills in maths. Despite these limitations it was easy to identify your 'natural energy vortexes (sic)' as pure nonsense. As noted above, it is not beneficial to sugar coat an identification of lunacy. Crap is crap and should be called such, openly, directly, immediately.

    You seem to feel that my dismissal of these vortices was somehow an attack on you! I might give you some of your own advice here - grow up. I don't know you. I know nothing about you. So far there has been little to attack, or applaud. I was attacking the nonsense of these natural vortices.

    If you intend to maintain and develop an interest in science then you need to learn to distinguish between attacks on an idea (an essential part of the scientific process) and attacks on people.

    You say it was 'just a question'. Well I gave you 'just an answer'. You might wish to ask yourself why you are now so upset at that answer. (Here's a clue, the answer is inside you not out here with me.)
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    All matter is fashioned from energy vortices, you could say they are the common denominator to the entire material universe.

    I am just a guy who thinks - not a qualified scientist.

    You may enjoy :-

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31065
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Quote Originally Posted by Donald_Patterson
    Would had been nicer had that guy said that to begin with with no attitude instead of acting like he some Science God or something. Bet you 100 dollars he would not have acted like that towards me or any other person if they asked this question to him in person!
    I'll take that bet. How will you be making your payment to me? Shall I setup a paypal account, perhaps?
    Idiot grow up!
    Ah, the lack of self-awareness on the internet sometimes is fascinating.


    Would it be safe for me to assume then that you were lying and not being truthful when you stated that you "bet 100 dollars" that Ophiolite would not approach someone with the same bluntness and precision in person?

    I am very serious when I say I'm willing to take your bet. I've read his posts for years, and feel rather confident that I will come out on top. However, being a true bet, perhaps we should discuss how best I can transfer payment to you should I be mistaken (as unlikely as that is)?


    In fairness, at least he gave you an on-topic reply. I'd have likely told you that you're making zero sense and talking bollocks, all the while seeming to have a profound inferiority complex. Seriously... WTF is a "natural energy vortex," and where precisely is it that you "heard there are a lot of them in california?"
    afaik he's talking about shit like Santa Cruz Mystery Spot. It's actually pretty cool, and the phenomena is not entirely explained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathematician
    afaik he's talking about shit like Santa Cruz Mystery Spot. It's actually pretty cool, and the phenomena is not entirely explained.
    You may very well be correct, but part of the issue is that none of us really know what he's talking about. Also, AFAICT the mystery spot is just another illusion.

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkele...0909/spot.html
    http://www.sandlotscience.com/Myster...ry_Spots_1.htm
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    I've actually been to one of these, the one in Oregon.
    http://www.oregonvortex.com/

    From what I had seen there, I would like to return with some item's to do my own test's. Two atomic clocks would be ideal, but so would having that kind of money. (Slight Chuckle)

    Of course there was a tilted shack, and some hand waving and woo about magnets and blurry polaroids with light streaks etc...
    They did have some bubble levels on hand, and invited people to bring their own bubble levels.
    I of course had chosen to divert my attention (surreptitiously) away from wherever the guide was attempting to focus it.
    The tour group and guide were outside the tilted shack. The guide stood between the group and the shack while addressing the group.
    I could see into the shack through a paneless window behind the guide.
    There was a weight hanging on a chain from the ceiling of the shack.
    If one considered the spine of the guide as a Y axis, the chain suspending the weight would correspond to a line with a negative slope of around 1.5 or so.
    Later, when the group was taken into the shack (which was blatantly askew, floor and all), I personally manipulated the chain and verified that it was an honest flexible chain. And I pushed the weight around to check for electromagnetic influence but could detect none.

    I currently consider there to be some possibility that the Oregon Vortex is an honest site of unusual phenomena, of course I seriously doubt that anything "vortexial" is involved.
    That is, if ghost's are ever proven, it'll also prove that ghost's ain't supernatural.
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    Has anyone tried digging to the centre of this phenomenon ? Perhaps a new element is waiting to be found. It could be caused by meteoric debris. If there is nothing to be found at the centre then this phenomenon is an illusion of some sort.

    Circumpunct, you have seen the circum(stance) get to the point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    Has anyone tried digging to the centre of this phenomenon ? Perhaps a new element is waiting to be found. It could be caused by meteoric debris. If there is nothing to be found at the centre then this phenomenon is an illusion of some sort.

    Circumpunct, you have seen the circum(stance) get to the point
    It's beyond likely an illusion of sorts, and the suggestion you make is asinine without any understanding of known science.
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