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  1. #1 am i seeing auras or is it hallucination and suggestion? 
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    firts attention call was when i bought something from a chinese guy

    i was like wtf why is this guy so yellow?

    now i see caucasian people either green or blue, black peiople green and chinese people yellow

    never befores seen them like that

    i often wonder why they called the oriental yellow, now i aundesrtand

    aslo see a white hallo around people

    and flashes of electric blue in the top of peoples head

    and black hairs people shine blue

    hell in comics black hair people shines blue and chinese are painted yellow

    how did they know?

    so am i hallucinating? or is it real ?


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    Based on reading some of your posts here, I think you have some neurological issues which are impacting your perceptions away from the norm. An MRI and/or CAT scan from a trained professional might be useful in helping you identify any potential issues and begin taking steps to address them.

    I cannot personally say whether what you saw was real or a hallucination, but you have to ask yourself... Do others see the same things you do? If not, it's probably a hallucination or perceptual issue.


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    well do you see this yellowish?

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...EwyOU4wQ_A&t=1

    i had never before

    maybe it was before when i saw wrong
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    No, I didn't.
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    what about this one:

    in this one he is so yellow seems a ninja caught him by the balls


    http://emmgoyer7.files.wordpress.com...pg?w=316&h=340

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    also does anybody else see a purple hallo around elmo here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHROHJlU_Ng

    that makes me ponder that elmo has a soul,(hope this affirmation doesnt this get sent to the trash can

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    also in the people who seem to get in that loving feeling the white of their eyes turn black

    i see their hole eyes dark

    ive seen lights trying to emulate this but seems only to be posible with a loving feeling

    maybe thats why women first invented the dark shadow in the eyes

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    but how did they see how i see for the first time in my life?

    black hair blue:



    and chinese yellow

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    and notice how theres no confirmation bias, just noticed:

    the guy who draw superman with blue hair drwaw the white of his eyes black

    seems superman got the loving feeling
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    Maybe your mind is just trying to express something to you. People I've met that think they see halos claim the color corresponds to the person's personality. My halo was either black, or I didn't have one. (Kind of worrisome to think what that means....)

    I think the reality is that they associate colors with their own perception about the person, and their brain just kind of fills in the gaps by projecting a color around the people.
    Some clocks are only right twice a day, but they are still right when they are right.
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    yes that could be an explanantion

    but what really caught my attention is that i see oriental people yellow and black hair people shine blue

    just as they are painted

    i had so very often wonder why they called orientl yellow or drew black hair blue

    and now i know

    i bet there are people around who see as i see(probably much better) but keep it secret to keep a stage

    but smethings scape the satge like that oriental men are yellow

    come on a normal person never sees an oriental yellow

    i had never till now

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    dont you see bruce lee here yellow?

    http://emmgoyer7.files.wordpress.com...pg?w=316&h=340

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    also im the first who doesnt trust my perception, i cant say i have proof to have hallucinated but this for example is so odd that makes you wonder
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    There is a strong yellow tinge in the photographs of Bruce Lee. So what? They aren't very good photographs.

    Look at this illusion - perception is a weird thing.

    http://opticalillusions.net/viewpic....allerypicid=12
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    But granpa that really didn't look like a optical illusion.......i just couldn't understand it...........duh..... :?
    "Universe is not as weird as you think it is weirder than you can ever,ever think"- Ophiolite(My Grandpa)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    There is a strong yellow tinge in the photographs of Bruce Lee. So what? They aren't very good photographs.

    Look at this illusion - perception is a weird thing.

    http://opticalillusions.net/viewpic....allerypicid=12
    Well, it took me a while to do it, but I figured out how to pick the image and manipulate it in paint.
    Yea, the squares are the same shade.
    Fascinating. Before verifying the claim, I was ready to call BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex-The Great
    But granpa that really didn't look like a optical illusion.......i just couldn't understand it...........duh..... :?
    You think squares A and B are different colours - well one appears white the other one appears black. They are both the same colour/shade: identical. I think that counts as an optical illusion. And people ask me why I have little regard for eye witness testimony!
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    something that caught my attention is that lately i see sometimes people green

    seems im not the only one



    i see them exacly like that painting

    and here i see a blue cronw aura on her head, do you see it blue her head?



    and here lucy lius hair shine blue, do you see it shining blue?

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    Yes. One is a painting, the other have effects added to the photograph. The odd thing is that you find this in any way significant.
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    Please be advised that the "Aura" is a multifaceted extension of the physical body. If you see the etheric body this is usually confined beneath the skin and can be seen in the hollows of the eyes and palms and mouth and is always reported as a greenish gray hue, although in excited states it will flare particularly from the orifices. It is also very much almost indistinguishable from the bloodflow beneath the skin. You will unlikely see the etheric body unless you've been recently doing astral projections.

    The mental body and the "astral" body are almost indistinguishable FROM ONE ANOTHER. The true fact is that these are transparent in the main and extend outward from the body by varying degrees but the only body in which you are likely to see colors is the mental body and this may extend from about 1 foot to 3 feet usually around an individual. Any colors that you see are generally based upon your inability to see the various thought forms playing on the surface. Color systems of the aura are in general a bunch of hogwash, and none of this has anything whatsoever to do with anything you described because as you describe it you are referring to the color of a person, their skin and not the surrounding atmosphere. Thus, if you are not seeing the etheric body then you might want to visit an ophthalmologist. Of course these could be unconscious projections by you upon Chinese people as being yellow, for example. Unfortunately I couldn't say because I'm not prejudiced.

    If you ever see anyone who's aura extends over 30 feet from their body, congratulations on having become aware, and watch out because the dude might be a little scary and push you over from across the street.
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    Wow. More nonsense. I see that yet another set of unfounded claims have been added to the thread, and that we now have another participant who is perfectly happy to make claims in the absolute with zero evidence in support. Gee willickers... How perfect for a science forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Wow. More nonsense. I see that yet another set of unfounded claims have been added to the thread, and that we now have another participant who is perfectly happy to make claims in the absolute with zero evidence in support. Gee willickers... How perfect for a science forum.
    Pseudoscience forum...
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    That's just why I don't like to address directly any of the paranormal topics on this forum. Where I thought someone might have a possible problem I could help with, or perhaps where I believed that my "opinions" or "insights" might be useful I have made a few comments in such threads. Every time I do I learn the same lesson.

    People who clearly have absolutely no experience or qualification to discuss such matters post comments about them believing that they have an apparent obligation to ridicule and scoff. Clearly any paranormal topic is incompatible with the background and experience of such individuals.

    I have no power to make other men see the truth. Clearly those who have the background of knowledge, experience, education (not least of all the genetic potential) to approach any rational understanding of this class of human experience is significantly in the minority. So you happen to be wrong about saying that I'm wrong about what I said which I said because I knew what I was talking about. That's my perception and so we must agree to disagree. My position and statements come from direct personal experience (backed up by observations) and reinforced by the recorded experience of so many others' psychologically valid perceptions set down in hundreds or thousand of volumes that a majority of people will never read.

    Further, it is clear that the vast majority of readers on these forums that are outspoken are aggressively biased against these notions. How could a person be convinced of something science can't prove and which neither have they personally ever experienced nor have any of their peers (who are likely to be indoctrinated just as they themselves are in a framework of mental rigidity)? Those who have such outspoken opposition to such notions, in my estimation, have had this attitude ingrained into them from a lifetime of avoidance, ignorance and active denialism which is common to the majority in our society -- and which could be considered tantamount to brainwashing. I am guessing that my antagonist is not opposed to these ideas because of being steeped in fundamentalist Christianity so I must presume he is of the scientific priesthood.

    I am a man of science and I am a man of God. I do not affiliate myself with any fundamentalist institution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    Every time I do I learn the same lesson.
    Apparently, this is not true, either. If you'd learned the lesson, well...


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    People who clearly have absolutely no experience or qualification to discuss such matters...
    Which specific people are those, and how do you know their qualifications? Did it come to you telepathically?


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    Clearly any paranormal topic is incompatible with the background and experience of such individuals.
    Not really, no. However, it is incompatible with available evidence. More specifically, there is none in support of it. If there was, it would no longer be "paranormal," it would just be "normal."


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    I have no power to make other men see the truth.
    Again, pure nonsense. All it takes is evidence which actually supports your claims. Now, if you're saying, "If I continue doing little more than making bald assertions and engaging in hand waving in an internet forum with individuals who respect the scientific methodology," then yes... you have no power and no credibility, that is true.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    So you happen to be wrong about saying that I'm wrong about what I said which I said because I knew what I was talking about.
    Can you restate this in english, or is an inability to communicate effectively with others part of the "gifts" you claim to have?


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    My position and statements come from direct personal experience (backed up by observations) and reinforced by the recorded experience of so many others' psychologically valid perceptions set down in hundreds or thousand of volumes that a majority of people will never read.
    I encourage you to review the work done on illusions (optical or otherwise) and also on why personal testimony is not even good enough in a court of law, let alone a science community.


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    Further is clear that the vast majority of readers on these forums that are outspoken are aggressively biased against these notions.
    Again, how can you possibly know this? You can't. What if I told you that I'd spent two decades researching these topics? You continue to hand wave and make assertions about others with zero evidence... essentially doing little more than evading the burden of proof and seeking to distract the reader by making off-topic comments about the people who express valid criticisms against you.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    How could a person be convinced of something science can't prove and which neither have they personally ever experienced nor have any of their peers (who are likely to be indoctrinated just as they themselves are in a framework of mental rigidity)? Those who have such outspoken opposition to such notions, in my estimation, have had this attitude ingrained into them from a lifetime of avoidance, ignorance and active denialism which is common to the majority in our society -- and which could be considered tantamount to brainwashing.
    Do not these words apply to you more accurately?


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    I am guessing that my antagonist is not opposed to these ideas because of being steeped in fundamentalist Christianity so I must presume he is of the scientific priesthood.
    You're a dumbshit, and this statement proves it. "Scientific priesthood?" Get a clue, dude. Seriously.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I am a man of science...
    Making the claim doesn't make it true. I am glad to hear that you appreciate science. However, if that is indeed true, then I strongly encourage you to begin learning how it actually works.
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    I see you just like to debate. I won't say that your point of view does not have validity, but remember that yours is not the only point of view. You are unfortunately not willing to extend the olive branch of friendship to me and set these arguments aside. I suppose I should feel bad about that but I understand how the anonymity of the Internet grants permissiveness for people to be a tad bit insensitive. You have a powerful intellect and clearly you are a person of considerable institutional education. But despite any evidence (of which you are aware) you are quite wrong in disparaging others' experience, opinions and points of view by insisting on relating everything back to what you believe is known, proven or documented because what you believe doesn't matter. And what you believe, based on your statements, does not seem to include any experience, knowledge or education related to the subjects of parapsychology. I have an active dialog with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove the first person in the United States to have graduated from college with a P.H.D. in parapsychology and I can engage him intelligently in conversation in his own field. You simply do not have any knowledge of what we know. Thus if not every person's opinion is equal then in this arena your opinion counts for little if anything. I apologize to everyone for being goaded into this useless argument. Feel free my antagonist to further berate me and to pick apart my words if you will and disparage them to your utmost ability. I refuse to further engage in a futile discussion with someone who though quite obviously an individual of prodigious intellect is clearly ignorant of entire branches of human knowledge. You sir will never amount to the bottom man of those upon whose shoulders Newton stood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I won't say that your point of view does not have validity, but remember that yours is not the only point of view.
    That's correct. There are other viewpoints. However, in this case, mine is the correct one.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    And what you believe, based on your statements, does not seem to include any experience, knowledge or education related to the subjects of parapsychology.
    And, you'd be wrong... again.


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    I have an active dialog with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove the first person in the United States to have graduated from college with a degree in parapsychology and I can engage him intelligently in conversation in his own field.
    Good for you, but based upon your several ridiculous posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you also had active conversations with your dog, or with a shadow in the corner.


    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I refuse to further engage in a futile discussion with someone who though quite obviously an individual of prodigious intellect is clearly ignorant of entire branches of human knowledge.
    Other than anecdote, you have yet to produce one iota of supporting evidence of your claims. That's not representative of a "branch of human knowledge," that's representative of delusion, wish thinking, and gullibility.

    Cheers.
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    No, I will not even respond to his FIRST statement

    Perhaps Moderator it might be a good time to close THIS thread. Everything is off topic and the situation is rapidly degenerating into a pissing contest. I believe that my recommendation for the individual to consider seeing an ophthalmologist truly exhausts any further insights any of us have to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    People who clearly have absolutely no experience or qualification to discuss such matters post comments about them believing that they have an apparent obligation to ridicule and scoff.
    It is not an obligation, it is a profound duty.

    We spent over three and one half billion years to raise ourselves from the simplest of living organisms to a complex, multi-cellular entity, that was self aware, was intelligent and had the ability to reason. We owe it to our billions of ancestors to use those attributes wisely. If our descendants are to convert that kind of 'progress' from chance to deliberate then we must use those attributes wisely.

    You have consistently offered no meaningful evidence to support your contentions. These are routinely bizarre, unfounded and frankly ridiculous. For example, you say "The mental body and the "astral" body are almost indistinguishable." You offer no evidence to support this and, based upon prior experience of your communications, you are unable to do so. (Hand waving, word salad and glib assertions do not constitute evidence.)

    It is, therefore, my duty to point out that your claims are unscientific, your assertions unsupported, your arguments specious and your speculations infantile.

    By the way, as someone who studied the works of J.B.Rhine, duplicated some of his experiments, conducted personal dream research over a period of years, held extended conversations with a medium and read extensively in the field of parasychology, I believe I am qualified to discuss such matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove the first person in the United States to have graduated from college with a P.H.D. in parapsychology
    The University of Iowa offers a degree in "leisure studies" and the University of East London will certify you in "urban dance". Availability as a scholarly discipline does not alone garner my respect.
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    Oh dear, I'm so sorry to see that you too feel it necessary to jump on the bandwagon.

    And I had meant to write: The "mental" body and the "astral" body are almost indistinguishable FROM ONE ANOTHER. (That is to say that the boundary line is often rather difficult to discern and they seem to somewhat blend into one another).

    You of all people should realize that as a fledgeling science we ought to give parapsychology a little leeway for now and be very patient because the stringent requirements of the scientific method have been difficult for investigators to meet based upon the situation I think that they are dealing (by definition) with para physical phenomena. Thus it might appear that the only valid basis by which we may currently support any of the notions in this general category is psychological empiricism. The current director of the JB Rhine Institute personally has in the past two weeks alone desired to read MY points of view on how they must move forward in order to direct their endeavors into PSI Development Systems and Technologies. In a quite lengthy discussion I pointed out how Dr. Rhine's original notion of using the statistical basis of analysis has proven to be an inadequate approach to their research based upon the conditions which they have set for their experimental trials. I have offered detailed insights into how a new paradigm of proof oriented research may be approached by returning to some of their earlier roots and by pursuing new methods that better serve to accommodate the PSI abilities of subjects which their current approaches seem to be lacking. Such an approach could allow, without claims of discarding unwanted data, single instances of a successful trial to constitute valid proof without the necessity of applying this statistical analyses to failed experimental techniques and unskilled, untrained subjects. It went on and on and into so many things and I'm sure you really don't want me to publish a copy of my private correspondence here I presume.

    But sir, regarding the bulk of my original statement with which you all take issue (and bear in mind that the terms I had utilized are merely those in current popular usage). Must I inform you of the reading list where you may reference in overwhelming abundance substantiation of these observations by scores of individuals from many schools of thought over the many centuries? Please remember that the subjects of which I spoke are by definition para-physical. Thus if you must insist that the scientific methodology be applied please remember that we have never yet achieved a means I know of for observing non-physical states with physical instruments. It is thus that it remains in the realm of Parapsychology or to be fair and specific Depth Psychology, which does accept and treat of the notion that many humans do under certain circumstances experience awareness of certain para-physical states and phenomena. Thus it would seem that the human being is currently the only instrument capable of registering these observations, and not every human being I'll admit, only those properly conditioned and trained. You would not, I presume, believe that either myself or my detractor are qualified in this same context to enter the Olympics. These faculties remain today among a small minority of our population, particularly as they may be called upon reliably and with any degree of accuracy.

    Thus it is my only defense to refer you to the stacks in the paranormal section or to have you refer back to the observations from the past 1500 years of Eastern Mysticism and more recently of occult philosophers or psychics. But if we accept as I've stated that for this particular subject the only basis for which I am aware that we could consider the observations to be in any way empirical then it would necessarily be through psychological empiricism more specifically from a branch of psychology like Jungian (Depth) Psychology that offers a context in which these experiences could be considered valid from an empirical psychological point of view.

    What I can see with my own eyes and know with my own right mind and which I can understand rationally and analyze through principles of Metaphysics (which as you know I am struggling only now to present some very preliminary representations of my work in this area) is nothing that I can make you see. You would need to apply yourself to the training that could permit you to see. As Dr. Mishlove and I both well know those training systems are in the main awaiting publication over the course of the next century. Still there are a great many current sources of information regarding how one may acquire the skill of "Auric Vision" through appropriate conditioning though you would not necessarily regard the source of them as having the credibility that you seem to desire. I can tell you without immodesty that of all the sources available to you I am the very best if you would need to know how to go about teaching yourself this particular skill. You see none of the books or articles that have dealt with this subject do so to my satisfaction because the scope of my practical and theoretical understanding these days is far broader than that of any of those authors. I don't know that you would want to commit to the time and training.

    You certainly must have long understood the arguments against Kirlian photography, so this cannot be admitted as a basis for claiming demonstration of the existence of the human aura. And that my friend is the current state of our technology.

    Language as it is written and spoken is an artificial (virtual) technology which has transformed mans natural innate capacity for communication into a formidable tool to accomplish feats far exceeding that which he may do naturally. You see then how PSI Development Systems represents a way in the future that (I hate to say this) natural magic may be utilized in a much more highly effective way. Mishlove is too afraid I'm sorry to say of his own subject to go beyond the mere discussion of the creation of PSI Development Systems though he clearly is aware of the necessity of these for real advancement to occur in the fledgeling field of parapsychology. I'm quite certain I'm one of only a relatively small number of people currently who might be capable of doing the actual work he proposed, and indeed several pages of my correspondence with the director of the J.B. Rhine Institute did deal specifically with actual work in this area. I, like Dr. Mishlove, still have grave reservations about making this kind of knowledge available to the general public. My concerns and his concerns are that there is the possibility of danger to individuals and others and neither of us feels particularly like taking the responsibility for opening this Pandora's Box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I think piano lessons are a waste of time. And who ever conceived of learning to sing what possible practical purpose could that serve? I have no respect for people who study business because that isn't important. It certainly isn't a credible and reliable science. Oh dear.
    However subjective this may be, hip hop dancing does not even approach the beauty of a pianist's accompaniment to Vivaldi's "Winter" concerto. A degree in urban dance is comparatively valueless to a mastery of baroque piano. Despite my objection, from time to time I can be found bumpin' and grinding in the club, after about a dozen pints of beer. I can find no such value in Parapsychology. The blind devotion to magic and spirituality pales in beauty beside the true mechanics of physics and nature.

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    In a quite lengthy discussion I pointed out how Dr. Rhine's original notion of using the statistical basis of analysis has proven to be an inadequate approach to their research based upon the conditions which they have set for their experimental trials.
    Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) in cardiac bypass patients: a multicenter randomized trial of uncertainty and certainty of receiving intercessory prayer.

    Do you think this trial valid? If not, how were the conditions inadequately suited to determine the efficacy of prayer over these patients?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    It went on and on and into so many things and I'm sure you really don't want me to publish a copy of my private correspondence here I presume.
    Correct. You've been going on and on and on with zero merit or evidence long enough here already, and there is truly no need for you to copy/paste correspondence from your past which does exactly the same.

    Kindly go peddle your woo elsewhere, will you? The odious reek of ridiculous in your posts to this site is growing ever more noxious and foul with each word you type (not to mention that you've failed to address even a single question posed to you in a credible manner).
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    Fascinating. Another 1,650 words in a single post (almost 7,700 characters), and yet still not a single drop of supporting evidence for your claims nor even one credible response to the criticisms leveled at you.
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    here a photograph of a crown aura as i see them:



    and here black hair shining blue as i see it:



    what would be the point of digitally addinthat?

    to make lucy liu look like a saintess

    in fact most famous actors have strong auras, thats why they are charismatic

    if the camera sees auras why wouldnt some people see them?

    the most strongest auras i had ever seen were on the supremes [/img]
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    The form of your question suggests that you neither believe the trial to be valid nor that the conditions were adequately suited to determine prayer's efficacy for the patients.
    Nope. I think the trial was well constructed and accept the results.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I would consider the results to be unreliable because of the randomness of candidate selection based on the subject of the study itself, being a purely faith based practice and not a form of accepted Western Medicine. Faith based practices having any claim to being efficacious are widely regarded to work only on the basis of the power of suggestion. There is no consideration given for the candidates in each study group to determine the individuals' predisposition to religious faith.
    If not a result of performance anxiety, why would knowing that you were prayed for be associated with a higher incidence of complications? Was a god selectively punishing this group? Regardless of control size and even assuming your claim that those not worthy will receive no benefit, the group not prayed for should have had the most complications.

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    Even I who am open minded to the power of the blessing am wise enough to know that you cannot give a gift to someone that they are unprepared to receive.
    So are those unprepared to receive, injured by prayer?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    Without a study group involving vastly more subjects the law of large numbers does not apply. Thus wide disparity may have existed between each of these groups for the average number of individuals who were predisposed to religious faith.
    1,802 participants split into groups of around 600. What sample size would be necessary for an accurate sample average?

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    Now why would you bring this up in relation to your quote of that particular statement of mine?
    For reference, this is the quote I was responding to:
    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    In a quite lengthy discussion I pointed out how Dr. Rhine's original notion of using the statistical basis of analysis has proven to be an inadequate approach to their research based upon the conditions which they have set for their experimental trials.
    I brought it up because it directly related to your statement, of course. I chose that study because I guessed you were christian and a believer in prayer. Were you a believer in some sort of secular but "spiritual" faith healing, the study covered that base too.

    I've no energy at the moment to respond to the remainder of your last post. As has been your tendency, you continue to bridge philosophy and pseudoscience. Do not be surprised to find yourself reminded at every turn: though you produce a huge amount of material in each post, you have yet to offer a single citation for any claim made here.
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    You are completely out of line.
    You disgrace the dignity of God and demean yourself.

    We are done here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    You are completely out of line. We are done here.
    Haha, really? I thought I was downright civil. Now if I were to spend hours writing passionately on a subject, I would at least leave it in place and available so that others might be persuaded by my views. That is unless I was embarrassed about my writing.

    Anyways, it was entertaining for a bit. Since jbbishop has taken his ball and gone home, I guess we're back to discussing the angelic Lucy Liu's halo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    You are completely out of line.
    Kukhri was wholly in line, producing a balanced, reasonable, well argued, polite, objective analysis of points you made. (It had the additional advantage that it was interesting to read.)

    You are the one who is out of line by reacting in an infantile manner because your arguments have been tested and found wanting.
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    You disgrace the dignity of God and demean yourself.
    Your own behaviour demeans youreslf and shows you up as the charlatan most of us had recognised you to be.

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    We are done here.
    That is a greater benefit for the forum members than for yourself. Thank you for leaving.
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    I have made every effort to be cordial and polite. You sir have never, and I have never seen any reason for your rudeness.

    God was sacred to Einstein. Einstein believed that there was an Intelligent Order in the Universe. I consider the man's behavior to be not only an insult to me personally, but a mockery of God who is also sacred to me, and to desecrate the memory of Albert Einstein as well... Is nothing sacred? That's what this individual did, whatever the guise.

    Do you even know how very sacred God was to Sir Isaac Newton sir? These were amazing individuals. I would not mock their faith, but follow their example.
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    i kind of understand you bishop, "rational" people can get annoying some times, do as me be nice and ignore rudeness, if you are anonoyed take a break before posting back

    but why is people ignoring my points?

    i sometimes see crown auras on people like this:



    this was refuted as a digital effect

    why would anyone add such digital effect

    couldnt be posible that the camera caught her aura as my eyes caught them some times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kukhri
    If not a result of performance anxiety, why would knowing that you were prayed for be associated with a higher incidence of complications? Was a god selectively punishing this group? Regardless of control size and even assuming your claim that those not worthy will receive no benefit, the group not prayed for should have had the most complications.
    Not that you need reinforcement when speaking in opposition to our foolish friend who writes 2,000 word posts with no content and then goes back to delete them after folks have laughed at them... but, here is more in support of your position:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies...cessory_prayer
    A 2006 "Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)" led by Harvard professor Herbert Benson was by far the most comprehensive and rigorous investigation of third-party prayer to date.

    The STEP, commonly called the "Templeton Foundation prayer study or "Great Prayer Experiment", used 1,802 coronary artery bypass surgery patients at six hospitals. Using double-blind protocols, patients were randomized into three random groups, but without measuring individual prayer receptiveness. The experimental and control Groups 1 and 2 were informed they may or may not receive prayers, and only Group 1 received them. Group 3, which tested for possible psychosomatic effects, was informed they would receive prayers and subsequently did.

    Unlike some other studies, STEP attempted to standardize the prayer method. Only first names and last initial for patients were provided and no photographs were supplied. The congregations of three Christian churches who prayed for the patients "were allowed to pray in their own manner, but they were instructed to include the following phrase in their prayers: 'for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications'. Some participants complained that this mechanical way they were told to pray as part of the experiment was unusual for them. Major complications and thirty-day mortality occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3).

    Some prayed-for patients fared worse than those who did not receive prayers. Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins wrote, "It seems more probable that those patients who knew they were being prayed for suffered additional stress in consequence: 'performance anxiety', as the experimenters put it. Dr Charles Bethea, one of the researchers, said, 'It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?'"









    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    this was refuted as a digital effect

    why would anyone add such digital effect
    Please, learn about some things that people do with photographs like changing hues, saturation, brightness, and addition of filters for effect before making yourself look more ignorant.


    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    couldnt be posible that the camera caught her aura as my eyes caught them some times?
    Sure, it's about as possible as your next 5 posts all being coherent and your next ten not containing 50-kiloton thermostupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbbishop
    I have made every effort to be cordial and polite.
    Really? You think that, do you.

    Here are the opening words of your opening post:
    Boy this is a tough audience I don't know why a single one of you are even in this thread. It's clear to me that most of you haven't read a single volume from that onerous body of magical and esoteric literature which has been diligently kept from you your whole lives by a society that is AFRAID OF IT.
    That is hardly a polite opening for your first post on the forum. You openly insult the thread participants; you make assumptions about their knowledge level; and you spout cultist jargon.

    And here is how you ended a post that in its (uneccessary)length was rude.
    And I'll depart from all you good people here today as I came, still unsure why I'm wasting my breath and certain of being a damned nuisance to you all with my sweeping generalizations and unsubstantiated or unsupported propositions. Read me how you will and take each from it what you want. I'll probably even check back if someone actually dares to ask me a question.
    Arrogant? Damned right.
    I make arrogant posts. I arrogantly assert I know certain things, then demonstrate I do. I arrogantly assert I have certain skills, then demonstrate I do. You just exuded arrogance and backed it up with a wet fart.

    Having waded through a greengrocer's worth of wrod salad I then responded with this:

    Delusion is a powerful force. Self delusion at least cuts out the middle man.
    You may not have liked it. It was highly critical. But it was polite. If you had provided something more substantial to debate I would have addressed that.

    I mean, get real: do you truly think you can appear as a neophyte on a forum, spout nonsense, bore and insult the members and then be treated with kid gloves?

    God was sacred to Einstein. Einstein believed that there was an Intelligent Order in the Universe. I consider the man's behavior to be not only an insult to me personally, but a mockery of God who is also sacred to me, and to desecrate the memory of Albert Einstein as well... Is nothing sacred? That's what this individual did, whatever the guise.
    I am pleased that my initial analysis has proven valid. You are seriously delusional.
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    hell this is a beaching contest can we discuss luci liu hallo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    hell this is a beaching contest can we discuss luci liu hallo?
    I haven't got as far as her halo yet.
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    Okay, I do see a hint of blue tint across the entire top fourth of the Lucy Liu photo, but it doesn't correspond to the pose of her hot sweet body.
    I don't know what to say about the aura thing, but please do keep posting pictures like that. Thanks.
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    its a strange photograph looks like a saintess adicted to sex

    recently ive beagun to sometimes see black hair people shine blue which i had never experienced before, like this:

    i would had very often wonder why black hair people would be painted blue, now i see :

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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    this was refuted as a digital effect

    why would anyone add such digital effect
    "Please, learn about some things that people do with photographs like changing hues, saturation, brightness, and addition of filters for effect before making yourself look more ignorant."


    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    couldnt be posible that the camera caught her aura as my eyes caught them some times?
    "Sure, it's about as possible as your next 5 posts all being coherent and your next ten not containing 50-kiloton thermostupid."[/quote]

    ill do a very strong effort and be nice

    yes and how do you know my eyes are not able of those effects as the camera is able?

    man you cant see from my eyes i really do see auras sometimes

    and what i see is identical to that picture

    i think its only fair i let you know theres something more than meets the eye before your negativity dooms you, have you thought maybe karma is true?

    i dont say it is i say maybe, think about it, i hope we can be friends in the future though you are not helping too much ,(think if im crazy im a sick person with a disease being rude because of that is only cruel) if you were nicer you would be happier

    in fact i feel much better being nice to you than if i said what i first thought by your comments
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    yes and how do you know my eyes are not able of those effects as the camera is able?

    man you cant see from my eyes i really do see auras sometimes

    and what i see is identical to that picture
    All I can do is revert to my very first response to you in this thread:


    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Based on reading some of your posts here, I think you have some neurological issues which are impacting your perceptions away from the norm. An MRI and/or CAT scan from a trained professional might be useful in helping you identify any potential issues and begin taking steps to address them.

    I cannot personally say whether what you saw was real or a hallucination, but you have to ask yourself... Do others see the same things you do? If not, it's probably a hallucination or perceptual issue.
    If you think there is a problem, then please see a doctor to explore it further. There is nothing we can do for you here in an online forum. As it stands, your posts are generally incoherent and babbling.
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    so the person who perceived this and painted it needs a brain scan?



    do you perceivee black hair blue?

    i do probably you dont so does this painter maybe your perception is wrong and its your brain which fails



    have you ever perceived somebody with greenish skin

    i have so this guy, you lack sensitivity your perception goes awy from the norm, and you are mean which puts you even more away from the norm



    let me guess you have bad luck if you believed in luck

    and this is not wishfull thinking on karma its personal experience on how the most abusive people on forums are almost always the ones that end up making posts on how miserable their lifes are

    edit:

    so you know me a litle btter 90% of people who would be bullying me and being abusive with me ended as my friends, i like to think i influenced them to the bright side

    i hope you think about it and stop being so abusive

    its like i have a miserable life so i vent off making others feel bad to feel good which makes my life more miserable cause most hate me so i ...
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    No, you seem to have serious (possibly dangerous to you or others) problem in understanding the difference between art (which includes photography) and reality.
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    So, let me get this straight. You think you see auras around people.
    You came to this conclusion because you saw yellowish skin on an asian person.
    You also say that you see halos around people, and you asked if you are maybe hallucinating.

    I stated that based on the posts you've made to this site since joining that I think you very likely have a neurological issue and should probably go get checked.

    In response, you have presented photographs which have been enhanced and digitally altered in an attempt to demonstrate what you are seeing.

    To suggest that others see the world like you have been seeing it, you decided to use cartoons and paintings, specifically those where superheros have blue hair and where faces have green hues.

    In the process of doing so, you presented images of Bruce Lee which were painted, but seem to suggest they are unaltered photographs.

    I commented that you're not making a lot of sense, that it's rather difficult to follow your posts, and you seem to have a hard time with the concept of reality. I also demonstrated where the ideas about parapsychology presented by others were lacking, how there was zero evidence for the flawed claims being made, and that this other person seemed off his nut, you chose to suggest that I am consequently an unlucky person due to karma.

    Is this roughly accurate so far? Can you please confirm that my understanding is valid?


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    i paint myself not very good but i try:

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/some-...%29-31089t.php

    and i know an artist represents what he sees

    inow ive noticed you are very abusive with people as you have been with me

    house may have a happy life in tv but thats not real

    in reaslity someone like house would have quite a miserable life

    why cause everyboy would hate him and ditch him as soon as posible
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    Uhuh.
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    really i want to be your friend
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    Perhaps you don't understand the implications of a question mark, and the words which precede them?
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    well more or less you got it right

    but what would you think if you had spent your life wondering why painters painted black hair blue and one day suddenyly you started seeing it blue yourself?
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    I'd think you needed professional mental health help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    but what would you think if you had spent your life wondering why painters painted black hair blue and one day suddenyly you started seeing it blue yourself?
    I think I would begin by scheduling a visit to the eye doctor.
    I think if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeing a neurologist.
    I think if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeing another specialist, and if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeking a therapist and probably some medication.
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    well if i had a unique perception that would make sense

    but having the same perception than many painters...

    would be posible that my perception is different to yours but not pathological since many others have the same perception?

    so you dont see luciy lius hair here blue?

    if you do maybe you need to see a doctor as well or you would be in contradiction:



    and out of curiosity, this is a trap question:

    do you see a purple hallo around elmo here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHROHJlU_Ng

    i dont see the hallo at all with contact lenses on but if i take off the contacts i see it very clearly so whatever you answer is gonna be the wrong answer, even if you ignore me after so much attention
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    so you dont see luciy lius hair here blue?
    It's blue-ish, yes. However, I attribute that to either the lighting shining on her when the photo was taken or to some sort of filter or enhancement done digitally after the fact. I am still struggling to understand how this simple point is escaping you.



    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    i dont see the hallo at all with contact lenses on but if i take off the contacts i see it very clearly
    So, basically you see halos when your vision is fuzzy and unfocused. Again... This is a big deal, how exactly?
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    well i provided you with examples of my perception since you see them too you are not in a position to say i hallucinate

    if you hadnt see what i see.. but you see what i see so probably i dont hallucinate

    btw nice debate with no personal attacks

    i see elmos purple hallo with glasses but no with contacts

    whatever you see it or not on this one your gonna have a different perception to either one of mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    i see elmos purple hallo with glasses but no with contacts
    And, as I stated in your thread where you suggested that Sesame Street characters were real and that you saw halos around Elmo, you should probably get your glasses checked. Beyond that, the premise of the thread itself is so irrational and wildly ridiculous (like pretty much every post you make in pretty much every single thread) that it leads me to believe you're dealing with some abnormal neurological issues (as frankly the question if Elmo is real and on top of that has a halo is entirely ludicrous and asinine, and more so given that you're 36 years old).
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    oh i think this is a check mate:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hair

    "Sometimes black hair can appear to shine silver-blue in the sun"

    is actually your perception which is wrong not mine
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    Please refer to my most recent response.


    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    And, as I stated in your thread where you suggested that Sesame Street characters were real and that you saw halos around Elmo, you should probably get your glasses checked. Beyond that, the premise of the thread itself is so irrational and wildly ridiculous (like pretty much every post you make in pretty much every single thread) that it leads me to believe you're dealing with some abnormal neurological issues (as frankly the question if Elmo is real and on top of that has a halo is entirely ludicrous and asinine, and more so given that you're 36 years old).




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair_color

    Black hair is the darkest hair color. It has large amounts of eumelanin and is less dense than other hair colors. It can range from soft black to blue-black or jet-black.
    Please note that I'm also ignoring for the moment your contention about a painting of Bruce Lee in a yellow suit being akin to him having a yellow aura, a digitally enhanced photo having a blue blur at the top being akin to the subject of the photo having a blue aura, and a painting of some random green guy having any merit in this discussion whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    but what would you think if you had spent your life wondering why painters painted black hair blue and one day suddenyly you started seeing it blue yourself?
    I think I would begin by scheduling a visit to the eye doctor.
    I think if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeing a neurologist.
    I think if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeing another specialist, and if that didn't address the root cause, I would consider seeking a therapist and probably some medication.
    do you retract this?
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    No, not at all. I might adjust it to add, "I'd realize that the properties of optics and technology are sufficient to describe what's being seen," though. You, however, seem to think it's about auras and halos and other ridiculous nonsense. My comments stand.
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    oh come on now your being rude, is it because the checkmate? you were being very nice

    well obviously we have different perceptions cause you dont see black hair shine blue while i do

    but that we have different perceptions doesnt mean either its wrong

    and you suggested i was crazy for seeing black hair blue and i rpoved you wrong

    its like our view on life your rational while im irrational, but thats perespective , doesnt mean one is wrong

    i respect your opinion you should respect mine

    so i think elmo maybe real cause i see his aura?

    well you shouldnt look down on me cause of that and my position on this is doubt while yours is conviction

    oh and i believe auras to exist cause sometimes i see them i dont mind weather theyre spiritual or phisical
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    No, not at all. I might adjust it to add, "I'd realize that the properties of optics and technology are sufficient to describe what's being seen," though. You, however, seem to think it's about auras and halos and other ridiculous nonsense. My comments stand.
    so realize how childish youre being:

    i ask a friend:

    hey ive started seeing black hair shine blue what should i do?

    oh you should see a doctor

    hey but look wiki says black hair does shine blue

    i dont mind i dont retract you should still se a doctor blah blah blah
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    i ask a friend:

    hey ive started seeing black hair shine blue what should i do?

    oh you should see a doctor

    hey but look wiki says black hair does shine blue
    If that were the only information I had available to me, and I was not aware of your other posts and claims and comments about auras and halos and sesame street characters being real, and having halos, too... then you might have a point. However, when your comment regarding black hair seen blue is viewed in context, my recommendation remains the most appropriate. Take it for what you will. It's no skin off my knuckle what you do or don't.
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    oh youre right on that i admit im crazy in fact im seeing a doctor and having meds

    but the question was very concrete

    what do i make out of having started to see black hair shine blue

    as you dont see it shining blue, dont you? you take it as part of my craze

    but i proved to be right and my perception being correct and being actually your perception which is wrong since you dont see black hair shining blue as a normal person should

    so wouldnt you ponder now i could really be seeing like sainthood halos as i was right in black hair shining blue?

    also im very curious about this

    hey do you people see a purple hallo around elmo here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHROHJlU_Ng

    whats my correct perception?

    glasses on or contacts on?
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    and like youre my friend now ill make you a favour so you see better reality

    think about this:

    why you see this photograph(from the wiki on black hair) of a black hair women shine blue but you dont see like that in real life?

    now you know theres people who see in real life like that picture:



    could the camera have more spirituality than you that suggests your in the wrong path?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    and like youre my friend now ill make you a favour so you see better reality

    think about this:

    why you see this photograph(from the wiki on black hair) of a black hair women shine blue but you dont see like that in real life?

    now you know theres people who see in real life like that picture:



    could the camera have more spirituality than you that suggests your in the wrong path?
    We do see the blue in her black hair, the only significant thing about this is that you find it significant. Be careful about what you read on here, you're clearly not thinking strait and I would suggest you take everything you read with a grain of salt (eg be sceptical about what you read) and don't act on any whims that may prove harmful to yourself
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    "the only significant thing about this is that you find it significant"

    well i find it significant cause i dint perceive black hair blue before nor does percieve it blue inow

    but now i do percieve it blue

    isnt it odd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    well i find it significant cause i dint perceive black hair blue before nor does percieve it blue inow

    but now i do percieve it blue

    isnt it odd?
    No. It isn't odd. Your earlier posts demonstrate that you are not the most observant person on the planet. And the most observant person on the planet is still going to be selective in their observation. Things are easily missed at one time, then seen with great clarity thereafter. This is not unusual, this is not odd, this is not strange: this is normal.
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    well my point is that maybe my seeing crown auras on people is not hallucination but real perception

    for example my new perception which came along with seeing auras of seeing bklack hair shine blue its been proved to be correct so maybe theo other perception of seeing auras though unsusual is right

    for example the person whom ive seen an hallo around her head most often its my mum

    on a white background i often can see an hallo around my mum head that goes from electric blue to purple to marine blue as she talks
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    Seeing a blueish hue on the head of some people with black hair seeing auras.
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    of course is not but you realized my seeing black hair blue is not an hallucination

    yet you dont see it blue

    could then i have a different perception to yours that sometimes allow me to see auras?

    think auras are phisical after all, they can be photographed by kirlian technique
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    could then i have a different perception to yours that sometimes allow me to see auras?
    No. I, for instance, am colourblind. The fact that you see something as a slightly different colour to me is unsurprising; the fact that you claim to see something that does not exist suggests you are insane.

    Edit: It is also worth noting that hair is not particularly shiny. Where you are seeing blue light reflected by hair, this is probably due to enhancing products (hairspray, gel, etc.) and not the hair itself. For instance, Polyvinylpyrrolidone; a polymer commonly used in hair sprays; reflects blue light.
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    auras do exist as kirlian photograhpy proves

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    and i find quite insulting calling me insane,thats like calling down syndrome retard, besides with the falacy that auras dont exist

    kirlian photography proved persons auras who like each other come together while thos who dislike come apart

    the info is out there your only rationality is insulting those who seem irrational and ignoring the facts that you dont like
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    auras do exist as kirlian photograhpy proves
    It proves no such thing. Your claim is equivalent to suggesting that infrared cameras prove auras exist, which is plainly false.
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    Some epileptics and people with neurological conditions like synaesthia see auras around people. For synaesthetics their brain produces perceptions of auras probably related to emotional responses to the person they are looking at. That doesn't mean auras exist as something people emit though.
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    i found this short and intersting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJghb8yk6c
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    auras do exist as kirlian photograhpy proves
    Rubbish. Kirlian photography proves, if anything, that electric fields exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    and i find quite insulting calling me insane
    Your perception of everything around you is at odds with reality. 'Insane' is a suitable word to describe this.

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    thats like calling down syndrome retard
    That's not a conversation I'm going to get into, and nor is it analogous to me calling you insane. I said you are insane because your behaviour suggests you are; having Down's Syndrome does not suggest mental retardation, although there is strong correlation between the two.

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    besides with the falacy that auras dont exist
    That right there is a bare assertion fallacy.

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    kirlian photography proved persons auras who like each other come together while thos who dislike come apart
    Kirlian photography works by applying a voltage to an object on a photosensative plate. Are you saying that you only have an aura when you are being electrocuted?

    The more commonly accepted explanation for electrographs is that the coronal discharge of the charged object causes the plate to become ionised. This is in agreement with the established laws of physics, and requires no dubious speculation about the supernatural to explain a simple effect.

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    the info is out there your only rationality is insulting those who seem irrational and ignoring the facts that you dont like
    An example of a source for information is wikipedia;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrography
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_discharge

    If you didn't even search so thoroughly as to come across the wiki pages about this topic, then you have no right to complain that I am 'ignoring facts'. Especially when these 'facts' are superstitious rubbish poorly disguised as pseudoscience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    i found this short and intersting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJghb8yk6c
    I found it vague and unscientific. By varying the voltage across the plate you could get any result you wanted quite easily, and there is no direct observation of 'auras' ever made, whereas coronas are measured on a daily basis. I see no reason to disagree with accepted science here.
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    how would you explain kirlian auras of persons who like blend while those who dislike come apart
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    how would you explain kirlian auras of persons who like blend while those who dislike come apart
    I would question firstly that you are looking at an 'aura', and secondly I would question the methodology, the author of whatever paper the results are published in, and the journal they were published in. If I didn't have reservations about these kinds of things, I would wonder why I've never met a real Jedi (since I saw them on TV in a documentary called "Star Wars").
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    , I would wonder why I've never met a real Jedi .
    The only ones around today live in isolarted swamps. If you don't frequent swamps you are unlikely to run into any.
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    well i remember first time i read about kirlian auras blending or coming apart i was six

    so imho is quite an old and reliable thing since saw it from many different sources unrebated
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    so imho is quite an old and reliable thing since saw it from many different sources unrebated
    Does that mean they didn't get a proper discount?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    , I would wonder why I've never met a real Jedi .
    The only ones around today live in isolarted swamps. If you don't frequent swamps you are unlikely to run into any.
    I think the Jedi fled the area where I live when they drained the swamps to make fenland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luxtpm
    well i remember first time i read about kirlian auras blending or coming apart i was six

    so imho is quite an old and reliable thing since saw it from many different sources unrebated
    What, youtube and a crackpot pseudoscience website?

    The whole 'aura' thing is a spiritual interpretation of data, not an observation.
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