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  1. #1 A UV solar-power electrical generator. 
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    This was also inspired from a dream. In this we have platinum and gold electrodes (coated surfaces) both within a glass container with low pressure oxygen gas.
    The sunlight strikes the oxygen and it separates into charged elemental oxygen. The charges use the electrodes to offload and re-combine into O2 that gets hit by the UV again.
    I envision tubes like neon lighting tubes.
    In standard-theory calculations with best-possible conditions I thought 1 million volts generated from 25 square meters.

    I really cannot work out how this one works. But I'll have a go:
    I know if the oxygen forms a plus and minus then why dont they simply recombine in the gas? (In the upper atmospehere it is said O2 at low pressure is hit by UV from the sun and turns into 2 oxygen atoms.)
    Perhaps there is no quick way to offload the excess energy of the excited oxygen and so it seeks the electrodes to heat the external circuit and offload quickly that way? But why doesnt it just radiate through the glass?
    Why platinum and gold? I dont know that either, it was part of the dream I had.
    Perhaps the platinum and gold attract the light ions very well and minus to one side and plus to the other.
    If oxygen is a covalent bond, and both a valancy of minus 2, then where do the electrons come from to share?
    If the UV light strikes the O2, why would it generate one atom positive and one atom negative? Does orientation of the O2 matter? Perhaps it does, and the UV would strike one end of the molecule? Making it negative.
    In this case perhaps the atoms are not separated so much as combined at a larger orbit that could, with more of them, bridge between the electrodes.
    The negatives are attracted to the gold the positives to the platinum.
    Should we not try to make this thing if there is no firm theory to support it? Or should we try to make it anyway?
    How it works:
    The UV fills the tube and creates the atomic ions well separated because of the UV light. The charges form a chain between the electrodes. One atom is say 20 units over O2 formation, the other is say 10 units below O2 formation -- so there is a net overcharge that is dissipated in the external circuit.
    However since were talking about charges, they are qualities that cannot be added or subtracted this simply. (One cannot add two properties of the original metals to derive the properties of the alloy either -- Buckminster Fuller.)
    Negative ions leave the tube from the gold, O2 forms there, and travel to the platinum electrode, where O2 is supposed to form.
    In this scenario there is a specific behaviour in the external circuit.
    Why do plus and minus charges form and not two negative charges? Probably this could work as well, where the O2 only forms on the gold and the released energy travels to the Platinum and attracted there because a lower charge. And a bridge forms in the ions in the tube just the same. But in this case the bridge is positive at the Pt end and progressively more positive toward the Au end.
    The Pt and Au are serving to cause a differentiation in the gas atmosphere, whether in the bridge transition or in the ions themselves.
    This means different metals would cause varying degrees of differentiation in the behaviour of the gas. But the dream preffered these two metals for some reason.

    So its actually quite simple. It appears the gold, pt, is used because stable metals and also heavy: attractive as an offload of energy. It seems the two electrodes have to be similiar in mass in order to keep speed high -- high speed means high voltage. The two metals must develop the plus and minus charges in the Oxygen atoms.

    These two inventions mean no nuclear power is necessary: recent Japanese catastrophe.

    To God the Glory.


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    <Qoute>I know if the oxygen forms a plus and minus then why dont they simply recombine in the gas? </qoute>

    Dude.. they wont recombine because.. their Enrgy levels(the energy they would be possesing) will be so high that it wont let them recombine!! they will be in the "excited state"...

    <Qoute>In standard-theory calculations with best-possible conditions I thought 1 million volts generated from 25 square meters. </Qoute>

    Well i think Always its like, we will be able to produce more "Current" when we put in more "Radiation" on a solar panel. i dont think that voltage is proportional to "how much Radiation falls on the solar panels".. there's a threshold for that...

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    If oxygen is a covalent bond, and both a valancy of minus 2, then where do the electrons come from to share?
    If the UV light strikes the O2, why would it generate one atom positive and one atom negative? Does orientation of the O2 matter? Perhaps it does, and the UV would strike one end of the molecule? Making it negative.
    In this case perhaps the atoms are not separated so much as combined at a larger orbit that could, with more of them, bridge between the electrodes. </qoute>

    Nope, its like... an atom is a precise balance of both negative and positive charges.. balanced by the nuetrons ofcourse.. so you cant say that.. UV hits only on the negative part of atom!!

    Electrons are revolving all around the atom in 3 - D ... So what do you suggest here..?? a new type of charge?? and that.. when a toms hit.. it should produce something called as a "Joshua" charge rather than just positive and negative ions???? LOL... just kidding here..

    <qoute>It appears the gold, pt, is used because stable metals and also heavy: attractive as an offload of energy.</qoute>

    Well yeah, Gold(Au) and platinum(Pt) are very good conductors of electricity.. and as i remember from my fifth grade text book, they dont corrode or Rust.. (Noble metals) hence in highly important experiments they are used as electrodes..

    <qoute>Why do plus and minus charges form and not two negative charges?</qoute>

    You see nature does not work that way my friend... both positive and negative energies exist.. not just negative...


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    These two inventions mean no nuclear power is necessary: recent Japanese catastrophe. </qoute>

    Well good idea though.. those two guys in other forum were correct.. you gave me a <strike>temporary Insanity</strike>!!

    Hell i like it..! keep it coming buddy!! If there aint no space here. Lets hangout and discuss in an Asylum!!! RoFLOL


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    In the above comment <qoute> means what ever Mr.Joshua had qouted.
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    I you start listening to joshuastone's posts you too will have a little amount of (in)sanity going in you.................... :|
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