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    I heard a story on coast to Coast about a guy who was driving a car down the road and someone pulled out in front of him. he was doing 90 and had no way of swerving to avoid the other car. the next thing he knew he was on the other side of the car. he looked in his rear view mirror and the guy in the other car was still sitting there looking in the direction in which the first guy came. I know that it is possible for a large macroscopic object to tunnel through a barrier but you would have to wait longer than the lifetime of the universe for such a tunneling to occur. Is it possible that this occurred somehow. other callers also called in and related stories of driving through other cars in an accident and appearing on the other side. Is anything like this possible or were they all lying?


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    The Coast to Coast radio program gets a lot of callers with strange stories and conspiracy theories. Maybe it's because it's an overnight program.

    I would put my money on the "lying" option.

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    Any thread where "Coast to Coast" is mentioned should immediately be moved to psuedo.
    Quantum tunneling is a quantum phenomenon, and has no macroscopic analog.
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    I did not realize there was a pseudo section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    I did not realize there was a pseudo section.
    Yea, it's down near the trash can.
    I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
    Lucky me. Lucky mud.
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    If we assume that the callers were not actively lying, another possibility is that the adrenaline surge the drivers experienced caused some momentary blackout and failure in their memory. It's quite possible they somehow managed to avoid the car in front of them, but for some reason or another don't have a memory of how that happened. They then fill in the gap in their memory with a false memory, and think, "Holy horny frog colored caesars ghost, batman... I just quantum tunneled!"

    However, given you heard it on Coast to Coast, I'm inclined also to think it's just another idiot comment from another idiot paste eater who listens to and calls into these programs.
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    Okay thanks for the input.
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    I'm gonna go out on a limb and discuss some hypothetical, some would say pseudoscience, stuff that may be in fact reality if you accept some of the precepts. Have any of you read Seth Lloyds book Programming the universe? In it he tells how the Universe is a giant Quantum computer. What it is computing is itself and all of the laws of physics. There is also a movement towards the belief or theory that we are living in a computer simulation ourselves. Now I don't know how if the universe being a quantum computer lends anything to the Simulation argument, but if the fact that our universe computes is some sort of evidence for the universe being a simulation then the laws of physic may have loopholes and are able to be reprogrammed from the outside. So for instance if the two cars were approaching each other and some programmer on the outside decided to alter the laws of physics for the two cars or within a region containing the two cars so that they became de-sychronized in some way to allow the one car to pass through the other for whatever reason. The programmer wanted to save the passengers. then this could account for this. There may be a basis for all of these supposed psi abilities or any other display of abnormal operations of the laws of physics because the laws themselves can be altered in the simulation. I think that if this premise that the universe is a simulation and that the laws of physics can be altered is valid the easiest way to control the behavior of these alterations can be done two ways and each has a consequences for us.
    1. The Universe simulation has some sort of plan or preconceive outcome or goal and the program itself looks out for and help the individuals living in the system and bestows from the programming all of these purported alterations to the program in accordance with a plan. This is reminiscent of a God and he/she/it's plan.
    2. The program is allowed to be altered based on the individuals within. I doubt there is enough manpower to control and watch 7 billion people so an easy way to do it would be to allow the alterations to the program from within. This would lead to the conclusion that the human mind can in some instances control the program from within so that everyone contributes to it's maintenance. so in this instance the drivers of the cars would with their mind reprogram the simulation to allow them to live. I don't think you can simply chance the program in any normal situation or it would be more like a dream and everyone would have superpowers but in some instances the program can be changed, maybe with deep belief or extreme situations. This is a theory of reality I have meshed together from various sources. If anyone knows of anyone that has written a book based along these lines let me know because I do lean towards the simulation hypothesis very heavily. It just seems like common sense that if the universe is a simulation it can be changed. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and discuss some hypothetical, some would say pseudoscience, stuff that may be in fact reality if you accept some of the precepts. Have any of you read Seth Lloyds book Programming the universe? In it he tells how the Universe is a giant Quantum computer. What it is computing is itself and all of the laws of physics. There is also a movement towards the belief or theory that we are living in a computer simulation ourselves. Now I don't know how if the universe being a quantum computer lends anything to the Simulation argument, but if the fact that our universe computes is some sort of evidence for the universe being a simulation then the laws of physic may have loopholes and are able to be reprogrammed from the outside. So for instance if the two cars were approaching each other and some programmer on the outside decided to alter the laws of physics for the two cars or within a region containing the two cars so that they became de-sychronized in some way to allow the one car to pass through the other for whatever reason. The programmer wanted to save the passengers. then this could account for this. There may be a basis for all of these supposed psi abilities or any other display of abnormal operations of the laws of physics because the laws themselves can be altered in the simulation. I think that if this premise that the universe is a simulation and that the laws of physics can be altered is valid the easiest way to control the behavior of these alterations can be done two ways and each has a consequences for us.
    1. The Universe simulation has some sort of plan or preconceive outcome or goal and the program itself looks out for and help the individuals living in the system and bestows from the programming all of these purported alterations to the program in accordance with a plan. This is reminiscent of a God and he/she/it's plan.
    2. The program is allowed to be altered based on the individuals within. I doubt there is enough manpower to control and watch 7 billion people so an easy way to do it would be to allow the alterations to the program from within. This would lead to the conclusion that the human mind can in some instances control the program from within so that everyone contributes to it's maintenance. so in this instance the drivers of the cars would with their mind reprogram the simulation to allow them to live. I don't think you can simply chance the program in any normal situation or it would be more like a dream and everyone would have superpowers but in some instances the program can be changed, maybe with deep belief or extreme situations. This is a theory of reality I have meshed together from various sources. If anyone knows of anyone that has written a book based along these lines let me know because I do lean towards the simulation hypothesis very heavily. It just seems like common sense that if the universe is a simulation it can be changed. Thank you.
    If the universe is a software simulation then I wish somebody would get it together and get rid of the Farsight and chinglu bugs.
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    I get farsightedness but what is chinglu? All I got from a search is a pharmaceutical company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and discuss some hypothetical, some would say pseudoscience, stuff that may be in fact reality if you accept some of the precepts. Have any of you read Seth Lloyds book Programming the universe? In it he tells how the Universe is a giant Quantum computer. What it is computing is itself and all of the laws of physics. There is also a movement towards the belief or theory that we are living in a computer simulation ourselves. Now I don't know how if the universe being a quantum computer lends anything to the Simulation argument, but if the fact that our universe computes is some sort of evidence for the universe being a simulation then the laws of physic may have loopholes and are able to be reprogrammed from the outside. So for instance if the two cars were approaching each other and some programmer on the outside decided to alter the laws of physics for the two cars or within a region containing the two cars so that they became de-sychronized in some way to allow the one car to pass through the other for whatever reason. The programmer wanted to save the passengers. then this could account for this. There may be a basis for all of these supposed psi abilities or any other display of abnormal operations of the laws of physics because the laws themselves can be altered in the simulation. I think that if this premise that the universe is a simulation and that the laws of physics can be altered is valid the easiest way to control the behavior of these alterations can be done two ways and each has a consequences for us.
    1. The Universe simulation has some sort of plan or preconceive outcome or goal and the program itself looks out for and help the individuals living in the system and bestows from the programming all of these purported alterations to the program in accordance with a plan. This is reminiscent of a God and he/she/it's plan.
    2. The program is allowed to be altered based on the individuals within. I doubt there is enough manpower to control and watch 7 billion people so an easy way to do it would be to allow the alterations to the program from within. This would lead to the conclusion that the human mind can in some instances control the program from within so that everyone contributes to it's maintenance. so in this instance the drivers of the cars would with their mind reprogram the simulation to allow them to live. I don't think you can simply chance the program in any normal situation or it would be more like a dream and everyone would have superpowers but in some instances the program can be changed, maybe with deep belief or extreme situations. This is a theory of reality I have meshed together from various sources. If anyone knows of anyone that has written a book based along these lines let me know because I do lean towards the simulation hypothesis very heavily. It just seems like common sense that if the universe is a simulation it can be changed. Thank you.
    Very good post.

    I have come to a conclusion similar to this. I do not like the quantum thing, but other than that..............
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    Yeah it seems to make sense to me. What quantum thing and what don't you like about it? In a simulated world quantum bits, particles, are like pixels. So it is merely the activity of these pixels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    I get farsightedness but what is chinglu? All I got from a search is a pharmaceutical company.
    You just replied to him. Farsight is another internet personality who has a nasty habit of misleading people about physics concepts. In short, they appear to novices to be knowledgeable, but to experts and those "who know better" to be idiots.
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    I'm just a layman so when people start dishing out equations and logical operations I'm lost. I don't want to get that kind of stuff either. In my mind there is a stark distinction between what i can know as established fact and the pseudoscience and hypothetical stuff. So I keep the two distinct in my mind so i don't get deluded.

    But as a layman it is fun to post stuff like this and think about things that are not established fact or even contradict established fact because part of me experiences this reality in a more expansive way that is allowed by current understanding of physical law.

    So I like to be on the edge. I read a lot of lay science books like Michio Kaku's work and Brian Greene as well as more "New age" stuff like the Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot and stuff like The dancing Wu Li masters. So I can get that take on things. Also Seth Llods book which I think just lends more credence to the idea that the universe is a simulation and I think the more I learn about stuff the more I am persuaded that it is Simulated.

    It seems that this simulation uses the holographic principal as it's process to manifest the world. As I understand the holographic principal. This four dimensional space is a holographic projection of processes happening on a surface way out at the edge of the universe. It seems sensible to me that the bounding surface at the edge of the universe that controls the interior holographics may be that quantum computer that runs the universe. I think about things like the afterlife and souls and all the rest of it but from a perspective of simulation. Perhaps when you die your uploaded into a robot and then go on to live in the real world.

    Or perhaps there is a Simulated heaven and hell, probably just a heaven, that is simulated to reward you or inform you of your performance in the simulation. Reincarnation....ALL of that stuff purported by spiritualism and new age thinking and even religious thinking could easily be made manifest in a simulated reality. I hope someday, maybe when we perfect the quantum computer, that we will be able to contact these programmers and open a dialog to ascertain what the hell is going on and what our purpose is.

    The neat thing is that I've heard estimates that if we build a quantum computer and simulated the earth and all it's life it would only take a matter of minutes for the quantum computer to run the simulation So our lives may be running through, in minutes, through the quantum states of the computer. It's really neat stuff and I hope one day when we build our own simulated worlds we will gain insight into how our world works.
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    Would it be possible for you to learn more about the concept of paragraphs and perhaps soon apply that new knowledge?
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    There I edited it into smaller bits. will do so in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    There I edited it into smaller bits. will do so in the future.
    Thank you. Much better.


    I'm not all too convinced about the simulation idea of existence. It seems to me like little more than a convenient method to help us better explore some of the intricacies of the universe, and it only makes sense because we've experienced so much simulation ability in the recent decades since the advent of computers.
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    If you have 14 min watch this excerpt from Through the wormhole.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Nfbbt5kQM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildstar
    If you have 14 min watch this excerpt from Through the wormhole.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Nfbbt5kQM
    I had seen that before on Science channel, but watched it again given your recent comments. It's an interesting speculation, sure, but that's all it is. In short, the argument goes, "Because we can model the universe, and because we make simulation models with technology in video games and movies, we could feasibly also exist ourselves within some other model." I can only reply, "Uhh... Okay." It really doesn't do anything to show or demonstrate this is actually the case, and basically just shifts the question back (much like the argument for god does). If we're simulations, then what's doing the simulating, and where did they come from?

    Like I said. Interesting speculation. A bit easier to understand given our recent technological advances in simulation and gaming, but not much is there in the way of substantiation.
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