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  1. #1 Is John Edward a real psychic or a fraud? 
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    Hi friends,

    Do you know about John Edward? Is he a real psychic or a fraud? Why or why not? :?

    Please share and discuss your philosophy.

    Thanks in advance for your suggestions ans cooperation.

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    Never had heard of him until your post, and it looks like someone has already provided a detailed look at what's behind his proverbial curtain.

    http://www.re-quest.net/entertainmen...v/john-edward/


    Also here:

    http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-04/042106edward.html
    What struck me about this reading was that at the conclusion, the victim was smiling through his tears in evident satisfaction, thanking Edward for the revelations hed received. There were only 3 of 23 guesses that emerged as correct, and each was less than spectacular, yet this man was not fazed or disappointed one bit. How can Edward ever fail, when he has such victims to feed on?


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    "real psychic" is an oxymoron.
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    Your thread won't change the mind of the afflicted.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome

    A mental disorder that's prevalent worldwide wherever belief and indisputable evidence contrary to that belief clash. I'd have to think a vast majority of humanity has developed its most dominant symptom at one time or another.
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    Sorry, i've totally missed what this has to do with philosophy.
    The mark of a moderate man is freedom from his own ideas - Tao Te Ching

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus
    Sorry, i've totally missed what this has to do with philosophy.
    Being a true believer has nothing to do with philosophy?

    Scientology is a philosophy, scientology is a fraud (at least a court in France says so). If people regard the philosophy associated with talking to dead people as fraudulent and unworthy of debate then perhaps religious philosophy, hardly much different, should suffer the same fate.
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    So the guy is a Scientologist?

    Scientology may be a 'philosophy', the same way always 'living it large' may be a life philosophy. But neither are philosophy. Different meanings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus
    So the guy is a Scientologist?

    Scientology may be a 'philosophy', the same way always 'living it large' may be a life philosophy. But neither are philosophy. Different meanings.
    Not that I know of.

    Just wondering whether a philosopher must believe their own words?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus
    Sorry, i've totally missed what this has to do with philosophy.
    As have I, moving this to Pseudoscience.

    There have been countless scientific experiments designed to prove the existence of psychic abilities, and not a single person has been able to perform these abilities in a scientific environment.
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    100% nonsense!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus
    Sorry, i've totally missed what this has to do with philosophy.
    As have I, moving this to Pseudoscience.

    There have been countless scientific experiments designed to prove the existence of psychic abilities, and not a single person has been able to perform these abilities in a scientific environment.
    The question is how many real psychics would voluntarily submit to testing vs. fake psychics? There's potential for a very strong selection bias here.

    If I were a psychic, I'd want to keep it a secret so I could benefit from the advantages without inspiring fear and suspicion in those around me.

    The ability to read minds can help a lot in one's personal relations. Or well... kind of. After a while I think you'd stop feeling like it was really a relationship. But telling them you could read their mind wouldn't help anything.


    If I could see the future, I'd want to buy myself a lottery ticket. If I told them that I had used psychic powers, and they believed me, then maybe they'd accuse me of cheating and take the money back.

    I just can't see an upside here? Why would anyone with psychic powers come forward?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Why would anyone with psychic powers come forward?
    I guess one can't argue against that. If all the people who "really" have psychic powers keep it a secret (but not from each other?) then we could never know. On the other hand, given the infinite variety of human nature, wouldn't one of them have got drunk and started boasting or showing off, would one have kept winning bigger and bigger prizes when gambling, etc. Just doesn't seem very plausible.

    Meanwhile, all the people who talk about having such powers, don't. By definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus
    Sorry, i've totally missed what this has to do with philosophy.
    As have I, moving this to Pseudoscience.

    There have been countless scientific experiments designed to prove the existence of psychic abilities, and not a single person has been able to perform these abilities in a scientific environment.
    The question is how many real psychics would voluntarily submit to testing vs. fake psychics? There's potential for a very strong selection bias here.

    If I were a psychic, I'd want to keep it a secret so I could benefit from the advantages without inspiring fear and suspicion in those around me.

    The ability to read minds can help a lot in one's personal relations. Or well... kind of. After a while I think you'd stop feeling like it was really a relationship. But telling them you could read their mind wouldn't help anything.


    If I could see the future, I'd want to buy myself a lottery ticket. If I told them that I had used psychic powers, and they believed me, then maybe they'd accuse me of cheating and take the money back.

    I just can't see an upside here? Why would anyone with psychic powers come forward?
    For some people, having and using an ability isn't enough; others have to know about it. They would prefer the celebrity or even notoriety more than they would the advantage they gain by keeping it a secret. It may not be logical, but when have humans been logical.

    Not every real psychic could keep, or would even want to keep it a secret.
    "Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feelings for the strength of their argument.
    The heated mind resents the chill touch & relentless scrutiny of logic"-W.E. Gladstone


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    John Edwards is a fraud. the technique he uses is called "cold reading" and is a stock in trade of stage magicians. My dad , who was a stage magician, taught me the rudimentaries of how it is done but I'm not enough of an expert to teach you. Look it up.
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    If someone can really hear messages from dead people then why is the information so dull? Why don't these dead people tell us stuff like
    Is there really a heaven?
    Who's there?
    Are people in the form they were when they died?
    Is there really a god? If so, which god and which religion is the 'right' one?
    Who shot JFK?

    Personally I'm a fan of Derren Brown. This interview he does with Richard Dawkins is a fantastic place to get an understanding of cold reading and how psychics work.

    Derren Brown Interview (1/6) - Richard Dawkins - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    John Edwards is a fraud. the technique he uses is called "cold reading" and is a stock in trade of stage magicians. My dad , who was a stage magician, taught me the rudimentaries of how it is done but I'm not enough of an expert to teach you. Look it up.
    "I'm sensing something.... Something about a man, a father. Is this significant to anyone in the audience? Was anyone in the audience fathered by a man?"

    "I was!"

    "I'm hearing... This... This father-spirit says he loved his family."

    "My father did love us! You're amazing, thank-you! Oh thank-you, Stander-J the Whisperer of Shadow People and Adult Contemporary Artist!"

    "You're welcome, now buy my book and smooth jazz record!"

    Cold reading in a nutshell, analyze the available information about the subject and then make guesses inferred from what the subject has expressed.
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