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    Quoted, “The speed of light is a constant. It does not change, even in a black hole. Light is prevented form crossing the event horizon from inside to outside by the extreme curvature of spacetime, not by being slowed down.”

    Kindly permit to dis-agree: In a black hole, all the inherent gravitational field of such body is constricted, concentrated in that black hole, such super-concentration of gravitational field prevents light, if there is, from escaping. Why, because inherent in matter, in that super-compacted black hole is electromagnetic property, that positive and negative property, which extend outward, call it gravitational field, thus such gravitational field, therefore, has inherent electro-magnetic property. That is why electro-magnetic light interacts with such super-concentrated gravitational field and is prevented from escaping, is being sucked into such black hole., just like all other matters that come close to such black hole is being sucked in..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    Quoted, “The speed of light is a constant. It does not change, even in a black hole. Light is prevented form crossing the event horizon from inside to outside by the extreme curvature of spacetime, not by being slowed down.”

    Kindly permit to dis-agree: In a black hole, all the inherent gravitational field of such body is constricted, concentrated in that black hole, such super-concentration of gravitational field prevents light, if there is, from escaping. Why, because inherent in matter, in that super-compacted black hole is electromagnetic property, that positive and negative property, which extend outward, call it gravitational field, thus such gravitational field, therefore, has inherent electro-magnetic property. That is why electro-magnetic light interacts with such super-concentrated gravitational field and is prevented from escaping, is being sucked into such black hole., just like all other matters that come close to such black hole is being sucked in..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    Quoted, “The speed of light is a constant. It does not change, even in a black hole. Light is prevented form crossing the event horizon from inside to outside by the extreme curvature of spacetime, not by being slowed down.”

    Kindly permit to dis-agree: In a black hole, all the inherent gravitational field of such body is constricted, concentrated in that black hole, such super-concentration of gravitational field prevents light, if there is, from escaping. Why, because inherent in matter, in that super-compacted black hole is electromagnetic property, that positive and negative property, which extend outward, call it gravitational field, thus such gravitational field, therefore, has inherent electro-magnetic property. That is why electro-magnetic light interacts with such super-concentrated gravitational field and is prevented from escaping, is being sucked into such black hole., just like all other matters that come close to such black hole is being sucked in..

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    bullshit
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    Quite possibly a post that I would consider one of the top ten ridiculous assertions I have seen during my brief membership thus far.
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    I know you would find my explanation ridiculous, unbelievable? Then consider no matter how infinitely compacted, Black hole is still matter. Before such matter became black hole, it was, say, a giant star, which has inherent positive and negative property, such magnetic property extends to outer space, call it gravitational field, thus, such extension gravitational field thereby inherit the quality of the giant star. Something new? When such giant star explodes and collapses into black hole, it never lose its inherent quality, that positive and negative property, neither does it loses its extension gravitational field. Just that everything, matter, is constricted into almost infinitely small size black hole with all its equally gravitational field concentrated but intact. That is why another body that comes near the gravitational field of a black hole is sucked inside.
    I guess this is something new: gravitational field has inherent positive and negative property because the source has positive and negative property, without such property on gravitational field,, electro-magnetic light WAVE would not have a medium on which to travel. By the way, light is both particles and wave. Something new? Let us try to open our mind, not to contradict GR, but to to continue and expand GR.

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    Quite simply, totally incorrect. I mean, even with my limited knowledge of physics, I know that magnetism and gravity are two different things.
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    Of everything I wish to address, I will limit it to one thing; An electromagnetic wave does not require a medium to travel through.


    The fact that you propose your own higher level physical concepts while simultaneously displaying your almost complete and total ignorance about the subject is an abomination to this forum.
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    A generator has magnetic electrical wiring installation or magnet, and that rotation causes it to produce electricity, better call it, electro-magnetic. Earth and ALL bodies in outer space have positive and negative, has magnetism. All such bodies are magnet. Rotation causes such bodies to produce simply gravitational field? No, what is produced, accurately worded, is electro-magnetic gravitational field. What have you notice of hi-speed rotating neutron star, it produces super-electro-magnetic gravitational field. All gravitational fields in outer space are never broken from one another, thus, in everything there is no perfect vacuum. There is vibration of the electro-magnetic gravitational field. What did Dr. Einstein call it, spacetime which modern scientific exploration are trying to detect in exploding star (supernova) or in lensing of clusters of galaxies, what they are looking for: gravitational waves. Light is electro-magnetic, gravitational fields inherently are electro-magnetic, though much more difficult, weak, to detect than the trillion time weak gravity of earth, thus we say, it is not electro-magnetic. BUT REMEMBER the source of gravitational field, like earth, is magnet, and is rotating, producing such gravitational field, like electricity in household, has inherent electro-magnetic property, in short, earth , a magnet that whatever it produces, through rotation, is electro-magnetic field .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    Earth and ALL bodies in outer space have positive and negative, has magnetism. All such bodies are magnet. Rotation causes such bodies to produce simply gravitational field? No, what is produced, accurately worded, is electro-magnetic gravitational field.
    Absurdity of the highest order. The Earth does not have any significant electrical polarity. It is the rotation of charged particles in the liquid outer core around the solid inner core that causes the Earth to have a magnetic field.

    The Earth's gravitational field strength is a function of its mass:
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    Quoted: “ It is the rotation of charged particles in the liquid outer core around the solid inner core that causes the Earth to have a magnetic field. The Earth's gravitational field strength is a function of its mass.”

    Earth is a magnet with magnetic field, such magnetic field which extends to outer space, such rotation of earth that transform such magnetic field (which is no other than gravitational field) into electro-magnetic field, or accurately called electro-magnetic gravitational field. Yes, the earth’s gravitational field strength is a function of its mass or simply, weight. Gravity is one of the weakest magnetism, a trillion times weaker than the normal magnet, but is identifiable as the exact middle of bar magnet..where magnet is also neutral. Because gravity is trillion times weaker, so we feel it is different from a magnet, visibly pulling a nail.

    Question: What is gravity made of as it is the offspring of matters, such as earth with positive and negative, north pole and south pole?
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    A bar magnet has an extension field that even a nail 2 inches away will be magnetized and pulled by such field, such field is magnetic field because it has the stuff of the bar magnet. Earth is a magnet, with positive and negative, with north and south poles. Earth has, like bar magnet, has extension, called gravitational field that stretches to outer space. Such gravitational field has all the stuff of the mother earth. Earth is rotating, such rotation creates electricity and magnetism, call it, electro-magnetism in the gravitational field. Though more infinitesimal weaker than gravity on surface of mother earth, that no scientific instrument can detects, nevertheless, no one can deny gravitational field of earth exists, such gravitational field which has created electro-magnetism because earth, a magnet, is rotating like rotating generator that creates electricity.

    In a nutshell, gravitational field of earth and all rotating bodies in outer space have such electro-magnetic gravitational field on which electro-magnetic light interacts as its medium. .that is why, electro-magnetic gravitational field of earth, for instance, affects the speed of light. As ultimate proof, electro-magnetic light cannot escape the greater electro-magnetic gravitational field of black hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    A bar magnet has an extension field that even a nail 2 inches away will be magnetized and pulled by such field, such field is magnetic field because it has the stuff of the bar magnet. Earth is a magnet, with positive and negative, with north and south poles. Earth has, like bar magnet, has extension, called gravitational field that stretches to outer space. Such gravitational field has all the stuff of the mother earth. Earth is rotating, such rotation creates electricity and magnetism, call it, electro-magnetism in the gravitational field. Though more infinitesimal weaker than gravity on surface of mother earth, that no scientific instrument can detects, nevertheless, no one can deny gravitational field of earth exists, such gravitational field which has created electro-magnetism because earth, a magnet, is rotating like rotating generator that creates electricity.

    In a nutshell, gravitational field of earth and all rotating bodies in outer space have such electro-magnetic gravitational field on which electro-magnetic light interacts as its medium. .that is why, electro-magnetic gravitational field of earth, for instance, affects the speed of light. As ultimate proof, electro-magnetic light cannot escape the greater electro-magnetic gravitational field of black hole.

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    still bullshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    Earth is a magnet with magnetic field
    The Earth has a magnetic field, yes.

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    such magnetic field which extends to outer space
    Yes. In fact technically it has an infinite range.

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    such rotation of earth that transform such magnetic field (which is no other than gravitational field)
    Bare assertion - support? What evidence suggests that gravitational fields are the same as megnetic fields?

    (Hint: magnets point north, while gravity pulls things towards the centre of the Earth. Wouldn't this be a massive clue that they are not the same thing?)

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    into electro-magnetic field
    Non-sequitur. Please clarify? What do you mean by an electromagnetic field, and how does this transformation take place?

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    accurately called electro-magnetic gravitational field.
    No such thing.

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    Gravity is one of the weakest magnetism
    Non sequitur. Gravitation has nothing to do with magnetism.

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    Because gravity is trillion times weaker, so we feel it is different from a magnet, visibly pulling a nail.
    I like to think we can pretty visually observe gravity at work. Try flying out your window if you don't believe me.

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    Question: What is gravity made of
    It's not made of anything. Its' the force that we experience due to the curvature of space-time.

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    it is the offspring of matters, such as earth with positive and negative, north pole and south pole?
    I cannot stress enough that gravity is completely unrelated to magnetism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    In a nutshell, gravitational field of earth and all rotating bodies in outer space have such electro-magnetic gravitational field on which electro-magnetic light interacts as its medium.
    No. Gravity is not an electromagnetic phenomenon. If you wish to claim that it is, you should collect real evidence and publish your theory.

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    that is why, electro-magnetic gravitational field of earth, for instance, affects the speed of light.
    Except it doesn't. The speed of light is constant; second postulate of special relativity.

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    As ultimate proof, electro-magnetic light cannot escape the greater electro-magnetic gravitational field of black hole.
    Because of the gravitational field, yes. Because of electric and magnetic fields, no: electric and magnetic fields demonstrably do not affect photons because they are uncharged and have no magnetic properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    No. Gravity is not an electromagnetic phenomenon. If you wish to claim that it is, you should collect real evidence and publish your theory.
    And, boy would that be publishable. Einstein spent decades trying to develop a unified theory of gravitation and electromagnetism. He failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsaldea12
    I know you would find my explanation ridiculous, unbelievable? Then consider no matter how infinitely compacted, Black hole is still matter. Before such matter became black hole, it was, say, a giant star, which has inherent positive and negative property
    What does that mean? Do you use the word "property" in order stay as nebulous as possible? Yes, stars consist of plasma, i.e. ionised gas, where positive and negative electric charges coexist as ions and electrons. But ... and this is a big "but" ... already neutron stars are electric neutral entities, because the electrons are compressed into the ions (mostly protons) and form neutrons. Still, neutron stars have a magnetic dipole moment, which is the cause of them being observable as pulsars. So, please be more precise and define what you actually mean: electric or magnetic bipolarity.
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    ..., such magnetic property extends to outer space, call it gravitational field,...
    I could also call it raspberry marmalade. But it is a magnetic field - not gravitational. The attractive force pulling at non-magnetic matter does not increase, if you increase the magnetic field produced by a body while keeping its mass constant.
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    ... thus, such extension gravitational field thereby inherit the quality of the giant star.
    What quality? Be more precise!
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    I guess this is something new: gravitational field has inherent positive and negative property because the source has positive and negative property ...
    No, it doesn't. Gravitation is only attractive, while electric and magnetic forces are also repulsive.
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    ... without such property on gravitational field, electro-magnetic light WAVE would not have a medium on which to travel.
    This is a logical "non sequitur", i.e. even if the initial assumption were true, the conclusion cannot be logically derived from it. First, electromagnetic radiation does not need a medium. And even if it did, what would be the significance for the idea that a gravitational field had a polarity? Are you saying that light can only propagate within a gravitational field?
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