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  1. #1 How can sientist calculations be correct about LIGHT WAVES? 
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    How is it possible that sience historic calculations can be correct when the LIGHT WAVE SPECTRUM (gamma, X-Rays, infra red etc) was only created a couple of thousand years ago?

    Genisis 9 verse:
    "8.And God spoke unto Noah and to his sons with him, saying,
    9."And I, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your seed after you,
    10.and with every living creature that is with you -- of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you, from all that go out of the ark to every beast of the earth.
    11.And I will establish My covenant with you: Neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."
    12.And God said, "This is the token of the covenant which I make between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    13.I do set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth.
    14.And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud.
    15.And I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
    16.And the rainbow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth."
    17.And God said unto Noah, "This is the token of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is upon the earth.""


    If the rainbow was created after the flood that will mean that their could have only been one wave length in light. The only way a rainbow is created is by way of the prism effect that breaks the light in to different waves lengths which happens when sunlight shines through a rain drop and in turn cause the rainbow effect.

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    How is it possible that sience historic calculations can be correct when the LIGHT WAVE SPECTRUM (gamma, X-Rays, infra red etc) was only created a couple of thousand years ago?
    This is, of course, assuming that the Bible is correct. Physics takes the liberty of assuming it is not, for obvious reasons, and proceeds thereon.

    f the rainbow was created after the flood that will mean that their could have only been one wave length in light. The only way a rainbow is created is by way of the prism effect that breaks the light in to different waves lengths which happens when sunlight shines through a rain drop and in turn cause the rainbow effect.
    Firstly, allow me to correct you on a few points. White light does not have a single wavelength, but instead is composed of light of different wavelengths: that is to say, our brain perceives this mixture of wavelengths as the colour white. The resulting spectrum emerges in a prism because light of different wavelengths suffer different changes in angle when being refracted through a prism - enough, apparently, for our eyes to make them out individually. Thus, you will realise, I am sure, that there was not one wavelength of light (since white is not actually a wavelength colour at all) but a mixture of different wavelengths.

    Secondly, you assume again the inherent truth of the Bible, which need not necessarily be true. That is probably the greatest fallacy in your reasoning, and I urge you to correct it.

    Thirdly, I am curious as to what you mean by 'science historic calculations'. Are you talking of our methods of dating objects, or something else?


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    Hi Deanvr,
    One thing I would make clear, I respect your faith and what you
    believe, however, in response to that, you must also respect my beliefs.
    Met a very well educated religious man a while ago who told me that the
    Grand Canyon was the result of the Flood, and the earth was only 7 thousand
    years old. Forgive me, radiation of all kinds came into being more than 13
    billion light years ago. With respect, science is about reason, logic, and fact.
    In the dark ages of our development we had to find occult reasons for our lack
    of understanding, there is no need for that now. In passing, have much studied
    the Holy Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanvr
    How is it possible that sience historic calculations can be correct when the LIGHT WAVE SPECTRUM (gamma, X-Rays, infra red etc) was only created a couple of thousand years ago?

    Genisis 9 verse:
    "8.And God spoke unto Noah and to his sons with him, saying,
    9."And I, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your seed after you,
    10.and with every living creature that is with you -- of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you, from all that go out of the ark to every beast of the earth.
    11.And I will establish My covenant with you: Neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."
    12.And God said, "This is the token of the covenant which I make between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    13.I do set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth.
    14.And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud.
    15.And I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
    16.And the rainbow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth."
    17.And God said unto Noah, "This is the token of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is upon the earth.""


    If the rainbow was created after the flood that will mean that their could have only been one wave length in light. The only way a rainbow is created is by way of the prism effect that breaks the light in to different waves lengths which happens when sunlight shines through a rain drop and in turn cause the rainbow effect.

    Dean from Lonehill Johannesburg
    When there's a contradiction between a very old book (that says it is absolutely true) and countless painstaking and repeated observations by many very intelligent people of all faiths and none, I am inclined to conclude that the very old book is incorrect. Genesis is either a metaphorical story, or a work of fiction.
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    Biologista, it is written, look for the man among those carrying water from
    the well. Seems a bit strange, until one knows that only women carry the water.
    Genesis may be regarded as a metaphor to give meaning to the needs of the
    faithful, who wished for an explanation of the beginning. We have the same
    question today, but not need a metaphor, we will work it out for ourselves,
    in reason logic and science.
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    Hi Loingold,

    Please hear me. I would like to say that I have no PHD or Doctorate in any subject. Thank you for correcting me in my poor choice of words and in the terms on this subject. I would also like to mention that I do respect everyone's beliefs and opinions no matter what they may be.

    My intensions are not to invoke a religious debate but purely to invoke and explore the thought or idea itself of "WHAT IF LIGHT CHANGED?Ē It might have nothing to do with light wave that changed as I mentioned. I'm just curious, before the flood there was no rainbow afterwards there is a rainbow (assuming it is true).
    What could have changed?
    Could light have been in a different form than the way we know it today?
    And again assuming it did change what impact would it have on present and past calculations?
    I really donít want to debate the validity if it is true or not but would like to explore different angles and possibilities and to get the input of educated people in the related fieldís on the possibilities if any please.
    Would it be pointless to explore the idea because we canít go back in time (well not just yet anyway?) and investigate light before the flood, since we only know and were educated on the knowledge we have of light today?
    Maybe I have it back to front, maybe the structure or properties of water or transparent objects changed when different wavelengths suffer different changes in angle when refracted through them ?
    Iím just curious what effect it would have on our thinking and possible calculations today if at all.
    No harm thinking and exploring possibilities like this are there?


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    The problem deanvr is that the existence of multiple wavelengths of light is intimately tide into fundamentals of how the universe functions. If you envisage a world with the physical laws necessary to permit only a single wavelength, then you simultaneously prohibit life from exisiting.

    I agree that speculative excursions like this can be rewarding intellectually, but in this instance the question seems equivalent to asking Why is yellow? It is grammatically sound, but has a semantic content of zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    The problem deanvr is that the existence of multiple wavelengths of light is intimately tide into fundamentals of how the universe functions. If you envisage a world with the physical laws necessary to permit only a single wavelength, then you simultaneously prohibit life from exisiting.

    I agree that speculative excursions like this can be rewarding intellectually, but in this instance the question seems equivalent to asking Why is yellow? It is grammatically sound, but has a semantic content of zero.
    Please forgive my ignorance.
    When you ask "Why is yellow?" are you questioning the existance of yellow?

    As I mentioned in my last response "Maybe I have it back to front, maybe the structure or properties of water or transparent objects changed when different wavelengths suffer different changes in angle when refracted through them ?"
    Maybe it was not light that changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanvr
    Please forgive my ignorance.
    When you ask "Why is yellow?" are you questioning the existance of yellow?
    No. I am presenting a question that superficially makes sense, yet has no true meaning. Another example would be "How many elephants would you add to insanity to make custard?" That is how your question appears to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanvr

    As I mentioned in my last response "Maybe I have it back to front, maybe the structure or properties of water or transparent objects changed when different wavelengths suffer different changes in angle when refracted through them ?"
    Maybe it was not light that changed.

    Dean.
    Well...if you really really badly want to believe this particular Bible verse, this is a better logical path to follow than trying to question the existence of the light spectrum prior to Noah.

    (Indulging the bible for a moment.....) If anything changed at the moment in time following the flood, though, it was probably not a fundamental law. More likely it would have been a change in the way weather patterns work, which allowed moisture to accumulate in a way that would lead to a rainbow. If moisture doesn't accumulate in the air just right you don't get one. .... Now I highly doubt this explanation, but it's more credible than the others you've been discussing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    (Indulging the bible for a moment.....) If anything changed at the moment in time following the flood, though, it was probably not a fundamental law. More likely it would have been a change in the way weather patterns work, which allowed moisture to accumulate in a way that would lead to a rainbow. If moisture doesn't accumulate in the air just right you don't get one. .... Now I highly doubt this explanation, but it's more credible than the others you've been discussing.
    However, I'm pretty sure that I've seen rainbows in sea spray before. Perhaps waves didn't exits before the flood, either?
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