Thread: Quarks, Black and White holes, and the Multiverse

I'm not going to make a fancy introduction or anything. I'm just going to tell you the theory I came up with on the bus this afternoon

Okay, what exactly is a black hole? A black hole is an immense concentration of matter and energy left over from a star that imploded on itself. Now a white hole is the opposite. Instead of using gravity to suck up anything near it, it shoots out energy and matter. However, that may violate the law of the conservation of mass and energy. The matter and energy has to come from somewhere. And I say it does come from somewhere: another universe. Let me elaborate. How is the very center of a black hole like? Well there's unimaginable energy, pressure, and gravity there. So much as a matter of fact, that it can tear a hole in the fabric of space/time. I believe that that very hole is a passage way into a type two universe. There are several types of universes (assuming the multiverse is extant.). Type one universes exist at the very literal edge of the universe. You actually go so far that you go into another universe. Type two universes exists in the same space that our universe exists in, only in another "dimension", per say. Well in order to transfer to another universe, type two in this case, you have to have an enormous concentration of energy and/or mass. That is exactly what a black hole is. So what does this have to do with white holes? Well, that hole transfers the matter and energy that the black holes have attained into a type two universe. That hole is a white hole in that type two universe. This may explain why the mini-black holes in the Hadron collider dissipate so quickly. The black holes are sucked into the hole in the universe that it created. The black hole wasn't getting enough mass and energy to absorb in that vacuumin the collider. So it diffused through that hole into the other universe. The gravity, pressure and energy is so immense in black holes that it tears apart the atoms themselves. They become quarks and laptons. Quarks and Laptons are what make up atoms. Electrons are a kind of lapton. Neutrons and protons are made up of quarks. So the white hole doesn't shoot out matter but quarks. Bosons, such as photons (light particles), are in the mix as well. The universe we are in is a type two and type one universe. So that means if we can find a sudden appearance of elementary particles (quarks, bosons, and laptons) in our universe, that would prove the existence of other universes and white holes. This begs the question: Why don't we see random bursts of light in our universe. Simple, black holes are always moving. Taking into consideration that the nearest type two universe is less than a centimeter away, the black holes are moving so fast that its only able to manage a small amount of elementary particles through the hole it creates. Maybe five to a couple hundred may squeeze through the hole in time. I think of the fabric of space/time like water. A black hole is like a moving straw. It creates a "hole" in the water but its always moving. So the hole is moving through our universe and traveling between different type two universes. The few elementary particles that eject from the very temporary white hole would be traveling very near the speed of light or at the speed of light for photons. If we can somehow detect the random, fast pulse of elementary particles that seemingly come from nowhere, that can prove the existence of type two universes and the existence of the multiverse as a whole.

This is just an idea that I came up with in the spur of the moment and thought it was interesting. We really don't know what happens in black holes. The most probable theory is that the elementary particles become one with the singularity in that is the black hole.
Hope you didn't fall asleep reading that
If you have any questions, please ask! If there're any HOLES in my theory (see what i did there?) please let me know. Thanks for reading!

Update: I just found out about Stephen Hawking's theory about virtual particles. Could virtual particles come from black holes in other universes?

Originally Posted by quantumwarrior

I'm not going to make a fancy introduction or anything. I'm just going to tell you the theory I came up with on the bus this afternoon

Okay, what exactly is a black hole? A black hole is an immense concentration of matter and energy left over from a star that imploded on itself. Now a white hole is the opposite. Instead of using gravity to suck up anything near it, it shoots out energy and matter. However, that may violate the law of the conservation of mass and energy. The matter and energy has to come from somewhere. And I say it does come from somewhere: another universe. Let me elaborate. How is the very center of a black hole like? Well there's unimaginable energy, pressure, and gravity there. So much as a matter of fact, that it can tear a hole in the fabric of space/time. I believe that that very hole is a passage way into a type two universe. There are several types of universes (assuming the multiverse is extant.). Type one universes exist at the very literal edge of the universe. You actually go so far that you go into another universe. Type two universes exists in the same space that our universe exists in, only in another "dimension", per say. Well in order to transfer to another universe, type two in this case, you have to have an enormous concentration of energy and/or mass. That is exactly what a black hole is. So what does this have to do with white holes? Well, that hole transfers the matter and energy that the black holes have attained into a type two universe. That hole is a white hole in that type two universe. This may explain why the mini-black holes in the Hadron collider dissipate so quickly. The black holes are sucked into the hole in the universe that it created. The black hole wasn't getting enough mass and energy to absorb in that vacuumin the collider. So it diffused through that hole into the other universe. The gravity, pressure and energy is so immense in black holes that it tears apart the atoms themselves. They become quarks and laptons. Quarks and Laptons are what make up atoms. Electrons are a kind of lapton. Neutrons and protons are made up of quarks. So the white hole doesn't shoot out matter but quarks. Bosons, such as photons (light particles), are in the mix as well. The universe we are in is a type two and type one universe. So that means if we can find a sudden appearance of elementary particles (quarks, bosons, and laptons) in our universe, that would prove the existence of other universes and white holes. This begs the question: Why don't we see random bursts of light in our universe. Simple, black holes are always moving. Taking into consideration that the nearest type two universe is less than a centimeter away, the black holes are moving so fast that its only able to manage a small amount of elementary particles through the hole it creates. Maybe five to a couple hundred may squeeze through the hole in time. I think of the fabric of space/time like water. A black hole is like a moving straw. It creates a "hole" in the water but its always moving. So the hole is moving through our universe and traveling between different type two universes. The few elementary particles that eject from the very temporary white hole would be traveling very near the speed of light or at the speed of light for photons. If we can somehow detect the random, fast pulse of elementary particles that seemingly come from nowhere, that can prove the existence of type two universes and the existence of the multiverse as a whole.

Hope you didn't fall asleep reading that
If you have any questions, please ask! If there're any HOLES in my theory (see what i did there?) please let me know. Thanks for reading!

This crap belongs in Pseudoscience, or the trash can.

a. Whats a lapton? Did I miss this lesson? You probably mean a Lepton.
b. Do you have any evidence to support this. No as it would turn out. Therefore this has no place in this sub forum (or indeed entire forum) and I've heard better Homeopathy theories than this.

Originally Posted by CrimsonViper

a. Whats a lapton? Did I miss this lesson? You probably mean a Lepton.
b. Do you have any evidence to support this. No as it would turn out. Therefore this has no place in this sub forum (or indeed entire forum) and I've heard better Homeopathy theories than this.

Yeah, I meant lepton.
If you mean the type two universe thing, then you can ask any physicist about that theory. I got this idea after reading Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku and watching lots of documentaries on physics. I guess it does go more into metaphysics than classical physics.

Originally Posted by DrRocket

Originally Posted by quantumwarrior

I'm not going to make a fancy introduction or anything. I'm just going to tell you the theory I came up with on the bus this afternoon

Okay, what exactly is a black hole? A black hole is an immense concentration of matter and energy left over from a star that imploded on itself. Now a white hole is the opposite. Instead of using gravity to suck up anything near it, it shoots out energy and matter. However, that may violate the law of the conservation of mass and energy. The matter and energy has to come from somewhere. And I say it does come from somewhere: another universe. Let me elaborate. How is the very center of a black hole like? Well there's unimaginable energy, pressure, and gravity there. So much as a matter of fact, that it can tear a hole in the fabric of space/time. I believe that that very hole is a passage way into a type two universe. There are several types of universes (assuming the multiverse is extant.). Type one universes exist at the very literal edge of the universe. You actually go so far that you go into another universe. Type two universes exists in the same space that our universe exists in, only in another "dimension", per say. Well in order to transfer to another universe, type two in this case, you have to have an enormous concentration of energy and/or mass. That is exactly what a black hole is. So what does this have to do with white holes? Well, that hole transfers the matter and energy that the black holes have attained into a type two universe. That hole is a white hole in that type two universe. This may explain why the mini-black holes in the Hadron collider dissipate so quickly. The black holes are sucked into the hole in the universe that it created. The black hole wasn't getting enough mass and energy to absorb in that vacuumin the collider. So it diffused through that hole into the other universe. The gravity, pressure and energy is so immense in black holes that it tears apart the atoms themselves. They become quarks and laptons. Quarks and Laptons are what make up atoms. Electrons are a kind of lapton. Neutrons and protons are made up of quarks. So the white hole doesn't shoot out matter but quarks. Bosons, such as photons (light particles), are in the mix as well. The universe we are in is a type two and type one universe. So that means if we can find a sudden appearance of elementary particles (quarks, bosons, and laptons) in our universe, that would prove the existence of other universes and white holes. This begs the question: Why don't we see random bursts of light in our universe. Simple, black holes are always moving. Taking into consideration that the nearest type two universe is less than a centimeter away, the black holes are moving so fast that its only able to manage a small amount of elementary particles through the hole it creates. Maybe five to a couple hundred may squeeze through the hole in time. I think of the fabric of space/time like water. A black hole is like a moving straw. It creates a "hole" in the water but its always moving. So the hole is moving through our universe and traveling between different type two universes. The few elementary particles that eject from the very temporary white hole would be traveling very near the speed of light or at the speed of light for photons. If we can somehow detect the random, fast pulse of elementary particles that seemingly come from nowhere, that can prove the existence of type two universes and the existence of the multiverse as a whole.

Hope you didn't fall asleep reading that
If you have any questions, please ask! If there're any HOLES in my theory (see what i did there?) please let me know. Thanks for reading!

This crap belongs in Pseudoscience, or the trash can.

If you mean the type two universe thing, then you can ask any physicist about that theory. I got this idea after reading Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku and watching lots of documentaries on physics. I guess it does go more into metaphysics than classical physics.

Im sure that we are both aware of what a Type Two is and you didn't need to type the same thing twice BTW. I was saying have you any evidence for this theory, mathematical or otherwise. If not, this theory will not be accepted by anyone. Even if you do, it still probably won't be accepted as there are much better theories.

Originally Posted by CrimsonViper

Im sure that we are both aware of what a Type Two is and you didn't need to type the same thing twice BTW. I was saying have you any evidence for this theory, mathematical or otherwise. If not, this theory will not be accepted by anyone. Even if you do, it still probably won't be accepted as there are much better theories.

You're right. I just thought of it in the spur of the moment. So I have no real evidence. I just thought it was an interesting idea and posted it. Thanks for the advice

Originally Posted by quantumwarrior

I'm not going to make a fancy introduction or anything. I'm just going to tell you the theory I came up with on the bus this afternoon

Okay, what exactly is a black hole? A black hole is an immense concentration of matter and energy left over from a star that imploded on itself. Now a white hole is the opposite. Instead of using gravity to suck up anything near it, it shoots out energy and matter. However, that may violate the law of the conservation of mass and energy. The matter and energy has to come from somewhere. And I say it does come from somewhere: another universe.

So basically, you're suggesting that the formation of a black hole in one universe, results in the formation of a white hole in another universe? But these white holes aren't observed?

I'm not sure at what rate a black hole loses mass, but who's to say that mass has to leak into a single universe? What if the mass/energy of a single black hole leaks into a million universes? Each one would experience only a small influx.

This is definitely a speculative theory, of course. (Which is why it's in pseudo, right?) It would allow for things like dark matter/energy, by suggesting that the energy is seeping into our universe from other universes via their black holes.

Originally Posted by kojax

Originally Posted by quantumwarrior

I'm not going to make a fancy introduction or anything. I'm just going to tell you the theory I came up with on the bus this afternoon

Okay, what exactly is a black hole? A black hole is an immense concentration of matter and energy left over from a star that imploded on itself. Now a white hole is the opposite. Instead of using gravity to suck up anything near it, it shoots out energy and matter. However, that may violate the law of the conservation of mass and energy. The matter and energy has to come from somewhere. And I say it does come from somewhere: another universe.

So basically, you're suggesting that the formation of a black hole in one universe, results in the formation of a white hole in another universe? But these white holes aren't observed?

I'm not sure at what rate a black hole loses mass, but who's to say that mass has to leak into a single universe? What if the mass/energy of a single black hole leaks into a million universes? Each one would experience only a small influx.

This is definitely a speculative theory, of course. (Which is why it's in pseudo, right?) It would allow for things like dark matter/energy, by suggesting that the energy is seeping into our universe from other universes via their black holes.

Yep, you got it

So really "white holes" would not be very large, and maybe shouldn't even be called "white holes". If we disallow things like Hawking radiation, and assume that black holes in our dimension are actually imploding in a way that defies the conservation of energy by making energy totally disappear from our dimension, then probably the energy from any one black hole doesn't leak into just a single dimension. It probably leaks into a lot of dimensions (maybe all the dimensions?)


If we want to apply a sort of inter-dimensional quantum mechanics to it, we could say that the probability of a black hole occupying the same location in any two parallel dimensions is virtually zero. (That's if we think parallel dimensions even exist. Maybe dimensions are always not parallel?) That would allow Dark Matter/Energy to be appearing all over the place in small amounts.

So..... this is a highly speculative model. But it's certainly fun to try and build it up. I doubt it will become testable any time soon, unfortunately. (But it might if we're lucky. )

quantumwarrior,

This theory has been around since the 1980s. The BIG BANG or massive white hole was the result of a massive black hole in another universe. This birth-death-relationship is the simplest explanation for what occured over 13.7 billion years ago and what will happen if/when this universe dies. This relationship within The Conglomerate (multiverse) is the simple explanation for eternity and infinite space. Although this theory is difficult to test, Occam's Razor certainly applies.

- Brad Watson, Miami, FL
author of There Are No Coincidences - there is synchronism