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  1. #1 The Philadelphia experiment 
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    THe Philadelphia experiment was allegedly an incident that happened in WW2 when a warship was subjected to enormous electromagnetic fields which caused the ship to apparently disappear and reappear many miles away. I am interested in whether there is any grain of truth to the story or if it is a complete fabrication. Also, is such an incident possible under existing laws of physics or would it require a reappraisal of the laws of physics? I hope this is a reasonable question for this forum and thanks for any comments.


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    The experiment allegedly cloaked a ship but not teleported as you insinuated. When under the cloak the ship could move and then take the cloak of many mies away making it a appear as though it teleported.
    Most people believe that it was a complete fabrication and the US Navy themselves have stated that so such experiment ever occured.


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    It's been discussed here a few times. You may turn up something in a search, or you could read the Wikipedia article. Basically, it's lunatic fodder.
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    As the other posters have suggested the story is a good story, but that's all it is. Teleportation may be possible in theory, but the practice is a different matter. (Swiss scientists have achieved a kind of teleportation on an atom or two.) We can be certain, however, that the technology to do it in practice was not available in WWII.
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    Plus, the ship alleged to be involved (USS Eldridge) was docked in another city at the time. Big boat, hard to miss.
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    Alright but where does the story come from? I don't know if it can be completey dismissed. I remember reading a section of a book on the matter in which someone present claimed to see the ship actually disappear. Obviously we cannot assess his veracity. I'm not sure why someone would simply have invented this incident unless something peculiar did happen. It seems to have been presented as an accident in which the navy was playing around with high energy fields and something unexpected happened (a bit like the game Half-life). It would be interesting to know what top secret research the U.S navy was involved with at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradford28
    Alright but where does the story come from? I don't know if it can be completey dismissed. I remember reading a section of a book on the matter in which someone present claimed to see the ship actually disappear. Obviously we cannot assess his veracity. I'm not sure why someone would simply have invented this incident unless something peculiar did happen.
    Really? How about mental illness, delusion, a desire to get attention or just for fun? Sometimes people even pull of hoaxes for for their social value. Like the dihydrogen monoxide hoax, which served to demonstrate how willing people were to call for a substance to be banned based on scare-mongering and pseudoscience.

    Quote Originally Posted by bradford28
    It seems to have been presented as an accident in which the navy was playing around with high energy fields and something unexpected happened (a bit like the game Half-life). It would be interesting to know what top secret research the U.S navy was involved with at the time.
    That stuff tends to get declassified periodically, though I'm not sure what the conditions and timing on it are like. If something of that sort happened, you'd expect at least partially-redacted documentation on it to emerge.
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    the guy who wrote the thing admitted to it being a hoax i watched a couple hours of history channel on it
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  10. #9 What "History Channel Show"? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by An inconvenient lie
    the guy who wrote the thing admitted to it being a hoax i watched a couple hours of history channel on it
    An inconvenient lie (interesting choice of screen name),

    Who is "the guy who wrote the thing"? Name him. There are many writers on The Philadelphia Experiment. Can you name the title of the History Channel show? I believe you are mistaken. I'm very familiar with the offerings of the History Channel and I challenge your claim.

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  11. #10 Einstein & Tesla's involvement w/ Philadelphia Experimen 
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    Bradford28,

    Are you there? I'd be interested in discussing the Philadelphia Experiment and whether Einstein, Tesla, and others were involved in it and what exactly happened in July 1943 with you.

    - Bradshaw
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    In other words you wish to have a discussion on your terms and your terms alone. You are afraid to expose your arguments to rigorous examination. Please realise that makes it apparent to most that you fear your arguments are weak. Take this opportunity to enter a true discussion. Or run away. Your choice.
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    Ophiolite,

    You're an Internet bully. You're not the only one on this forum. I fear nothing and no one (except meeting Janet Jackson and having bad breath - me not her). I'm not the one hiding behind anonymity - you are. There's no reason for me to ask you to apoligize so we could then have meaningful discussions and debates - your apology wouldn't be sincere if you were to offer it and then you would just continue your bullying afterward. I see by the number of your posts that you are obsessed with posting on SF. So I repeat, it would be better for me to just ignore you on this thread and throughout this forum. I'll end my dialogue with you with this quote...

    "To err is human, to repent divine, to persist devilish." - Benjamin Franklin

    Bradford28,

    Are you there? Sorry again for the distractions. It's possible that they are intentional so as to direct the conversation away from the Philadelphia Experiment. I'll try my best not to reply to any more bullies and only to the topic at hand. I need to find my copy of the book Secrets of the Unified Field and the Philadelphia Experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Watson
    Ophiolite,
    You're an Internet bully.
    I am trying, patiently, to discuss your ideas - not you. I have already made it clear that I don't give a flying aardvark about you. I am, however, interested in your ideas and would have welcomed the opportunity to discuss them further.
    Pointing out that a hypothesis appears deeply flawed is not bullying. It is how science is done.
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    You're not the only one on this forum.
    I have seen no other poster bully you on any of your threads, or in threads you have responded to.

    I have seen you ridiculed. This is an occupational hazard for those who present ridiculous ideas. I participate in several forums and there are many where you would have been 'run out of town' long ago. You are being afforded the opportunity on this fourm, courtesy of the owner, administrators and moderators, to present your nonsense. There is a price to be paid for that opportunity. If you don't like the price, then go eslewhere.

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    There's no reason for me to ask you to apoligize so we could then have meaningful discussions and debates - your apology wouldn't be sincere if you were to offer it and then you would just continue your bullying afterward.
    I thought I had made it clear that I have no intention of offering you any apology. I have nothing to apologise for. The closest I can come to an apology is to say I am truly sorry you are so thick. Now is that what you consider bullying? If so you must have a singularily thin skin. I would be intrigued to find out just what you consider to be bullying by myself and others, but since this was your last communication with me I suppose I shall have to remain intrigued, yet ignorant.

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    I see by the number of your posts that you are obsessed with posting on SF.
    I average three posts per day. Many of them (most of them) are trite one liners, or simple provision of link to address a poster's query. That's hardly an obsession. (I understand some people spend years gathering inaccurate numerical data that appear to establish relationships that are entirely imaginary. Now that kind of behaviour would be obsessive.)

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    So I repeat, it would be better for me to just ignore you on this thread and throughout this forum.
    What you continue to fail to get Brad is that it is possible for me to think you very foolish (which I do), for me to think you incompetent at structuring arguments (which is the case) and for me to think that your ideas are just plain silly (a view I seem to share with several others) and yet I can still be willing to engage you in discussion on these ideas in an objective manner. That's what I have offered to do (repeatedly). That's what I have tried to do (repeatedly). That's what you have refused to do (repeatedly).

    What's a guy to do? (Repeatedly.)

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    I'll end my dialogue with you with this quote...

    "To err is human, to repent divine, to persist devilish." - Benjamin Franklin
    Great quote. Franklin was a genius. There is hope for you yet.
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    It is regrettable that the history of science is hardly known in modern society (which depends so much on it). Schools teach only the highlights: Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Medeleyev, Darwin, Edison, Bell, Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc. If people understood the vast amounts of scientific work actually performed and how it progressed through the centuries, they would more easily understand that, no we have not yet developed the technology to do the Philadelphia experiment, yes we did develop the technology to go to the moon, etc.
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    I confess that when I was at school and even university I found the history of science to be boring. I wanted to know what we know now, not how we arrived at it. Now I find that the reverse is almost true. Because I recognise how incomplete our knowledge is I have become more interested in the development of that knowledge than in our current position, for that is only a waystation. Perhaps to journey is more important than to arrive.
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