Thread: CONCEPT OF SELF-SUSTAINING MOTOR ASSEMBLY (clearer)

CONCEPT OF SELF-SUSTAINING MOTOR ASSEMBLY (clearer)
(AC & DC, Vertical & Horizontal)



As shown in Figures 1 & 2, are the original basic concept of Self-Sustaining AC & DC, Vertical and Horizontal Motor Assembly, respectively. Both electric motor and generator share one common shaft , ,common two bearings and common frame.. The electric motor has WIDER WIDTH (wider diameter)., compared to smaller-width generator, thus electric motor has longer leverage, creating stronger torque capable of overcoming mass resistance/drag of the shorter leveraged generator.. All experiments in the books to construct synchronous self-sustaining generators failed because smaller electric motors, (even though with capacity) were used, thus with shorter leverage and torque, compared to larger generators used, with longer leverage, thus, generator has excess leverage that creates mass resistance/drag on every rotation that reduces and reduces efficiency until the motors stopped
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This original conceived self-sustaining motor assembly, Figures 1 & 2, advisably, hi-speed, wider width electric motor with, say, one HP, is capable of driving a larger, say, six HP smaller-width generator because of stated compensating longer leverage, stronger torque of electric motor, overcoming mass drag.. At top of the illustrated shaft is attached a pulley and string with loose end . Shown further is the internal electrical line connecting the generator to electric motor and an output/produce electrical line of generator for outlet purposes, re-lighting houses. . .Correction to Figure 1, the bottom of rotating shaft has oval shaped (or with installed roller bearing) sitting over the water-cool adjustable platform.. The simple operation is as follows: Roll the adequate string with loose end to pulley , then, at the other end of string, hold tightly and pull manually the string until completely loosen. But in the process, adequately causes the common electric motor and generator to rotation, and for generator to produce electricity, part of such electrical output is channeled to the electric motor thru internal electrical line to cause said electric motor to rotation and drive the generator to rotation synchronously, and for the generator to produce electricity to self-feed electric motor , etc. The other produce of electrical output of generator is channeled to its output/outlet line for outside purposes, such as lighting household, driving electric fans, etc. The horizontal variation, as shown in Figure 2, can be installed with fan at protruding end, and we have an electric fan for free.

This conceived self-sustaining motor assembly can replace windmill and solar panel energy devices. There are many variations, as filed pending with Bureau of Patents, Philippines, re-variations with independent driving electric motor, with overlooking magnet preferably neo-magnet., with step-up, step-down feature feature, with driving gasoline prime mover, battery prime mover, either. variations: DC brush or brushless.

It is added that undersigned are interested more to see the realization and contributions, Filipino contribution, of this original invention at this time of worsening energy crisis.



Jose S. Aldea, Inventor, .Chairman – Capiz Scientists & Inventors Society - Philippines
Alfredo A. Bisnar, Associate

jsaldea12@yahoo.com
3.11.10

Apart from the fact that it won't work, that's a remarkably good presentation. You'll do alright.

Originally Posted by Pong

Apart from the fact that it won't work, that's a remarkably good presentation. You'll do alright.

Well put.

jsaldea, it wont work, because a bigger generator requires more torque to turn, eating up at least all of the proposed extra energy. Think of generators as having to push electrons along while it is turning. The more electrons it has to push, the more energy is required to turn it. Generators are also not 100% efficient, so you will always have to use more energy to turn it than it can produce.

I must admit, those are the best pseudo-scientific drawings I've seen in a long time.

Would I be right in thinking that this is a design for a perpetual motion machine?

Originally Posted by TheBiologista

Would I be right in thinking that this is a design for a perpetual motion machine?

Yip. Off to pseudo huh?

Depends on how jsaldea12 responds to criticism really.

Yes,leading to perpetual machine.


jsaldea12


3.14.10

All experiments in the books to construct synchronous self-sustaining generators failed because smaller-sized and smaller width electric motors, (even though with capacity) were used, thus with shorter leverage and torque, compared to larger wider width generators used, with longer leverage. As a result, such generator has excess leverage that creates mass resistance/drag on every rotation that reduces and reduces efficiency until the motors stopped

If we add the overlooking magnet lifting feature, re-neo-magnet, there appears no reason why we cannot construct such self-sustaining machine.


jsaldea12

3.14.10
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All experiments in the books to construct synchronous self-sustaining generators failed because smaller-sized and smaller width electric motors, (even though with capacity) were used, thus with shorter leverage and torque, compared to larger wider width generators used, with longer leverage.

Leverage doesn't give one free energy from thin air. Once you increase leverage, you will lose speed. For example: If you have a motor that has a 10 tooth gear driving a generator on a 20 tooth gear, the generator will turn only once for every two turns of the motor, but you will be able to turn a bigger generator than if you had a one to one ratio, but at half the speed.

Increasing the width of the motor shifts this arrangement around, but it can never get rid of the drawbacks. To get the same RPM's from the wider motor requires more energy. You can see the effect when ice skaters spin. They provide an initial boost and start out with their arms and legs extended and achieve a certain RPM, but the moment they pull their arms and legs in they spin faster without adding any extra energy. To be able to spin faster when everything is extended requires more energy.

Yeah, this is pseudo. Jsaldea, try not to take this as a dismissal. I will happily leave this thread open for further discussion in pseudo.

…not all interior of the stator of AC electric motor are installed with magnetic wires. Only 25%, more or less, of opposite sides, in like manner so is the rotor of electric motor. Wiring based on attraction and repulsion.. There are now AC electric motors that are hi-speed, even up to 100,000 rpm, such required rpm to synchronize with the slow rotating generator.

For DC electric motors, same 25%, more or less, with magnet, re-neo-magnet and matching wiring on rotor.

Jsaldea12

3.15.10

Originally Posted by jsaldea12

…not all interior of the stator of AC electric motor are installed with magnetic wires. Only 25%, more or less, of opposite sides, in like manner so is the rotor of electric motor. Wiring based on attraction and repulsion.. There are now AC electric motors that are hi-speed, even up to 100,000 rpm, such required rpm to synchronize with the slow rotating generator.

For DC electric motors, same 25%, more or less, with magnet, re-neo-magnet and matching wiring on rotor.

Jsaldea12

3.15.10

It doesn't matter. The design simply will not work at any scale. Whether friction, electromagnetic radiation, heat loss from not using superconductors, not being in a perfect vacuum, etc. there is an energy loss, and it will spin down over time. Nobody has yet demonstrated perpetual energy, and if something exists that appears as such, it will not be that simple. If something could ever be demonstrated to sustain movement, it would be siphoning energy from somewhere. Then the question would be where, and how do we tap it efficiently without damage to time/space some where or some how.

Amazing that people keep trying after all these centuries.

It is not exactly that it will work perpetually...just that once it is made to operate, it will by itself continue to operate without outside help...of course the motor must rest.

Please let us know your formula.


jsaldea12

3.15.10

Originally Posted by jsaldea12

It is not exactly that it will work perpetually...just that once it is made to operate, it will by itself continue to operate without outside help...of course the motor must rest.

Please let us know your formula.


jsaldea12

3.15.10

What outside force keeps it going. Any simple design that runs on it's own generated power simply will not stay running. It will lose energy just like anything else. It will not last any longer than spinning a flywheel to speed. A large enough flywheel on good bearings may take several hours to come to rest, but it will come to rest. So will your motor design. If your application would be en energy storage, where it slows down every time you tap off energy, then you still have to eliminate all friction. Even in this case, a flywheel is a better design as it doesn't generate electromagnetic radiation as a loss.

Originally Posted by jsaldea12

It is not exactly that it will work perpetually...just that once it is made to operate, it will by itself continue to operate without outside help...of course the motor must rest.

What's the point if it must rest? You get less energy out then you put in. How is a pull string going to power a fan for any usable time?

Originally Posted by jsaldea12

Please let us know your formula.

From our friends at Wikipedia: Horsepower:



wiki: Torque:

A flywheel typed rotor of electric motor is one of the best..

Can you give computation:

Suppose a rigid vertical post has a hanged horizontally swingable rod, weighing 100 lbs. and 10 ft. length. Suppose you push, a 10 lbs. force at speed of 40 miles per hr., at the middle of the 10 ft long rod to swing said rod. There is a mass drag, from 5 ft. up to 10 ft. end of the rod. Can you give computation of the force of the drag?.


Jsaldea12

3.18.`10