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# Thread: This will surely convince you 2012 will be very significant!

1. I was going to post this in the astronomy section...because I do in fact consider this a serious topic...but I figured I better post it here instead.

I tried doing the math myself once but couldn't work out the darn Mayan calendar properly...then I found the quote below here...which basically confirmed all my suspicions about 2012 and how it links with our galactic cycle and the Mayan calender.
1 pictun = 20 baktun = 2,880,000 days = approx. 7885 years
1 calabtun = 20 pictun = 57,600,000 days = approx. 158,000 years
1 kinchiltun = 20 calabtun = 1,152,000,000 days = approx. 3 million years
1 alautun = 20 kinchiltun = 23,040,000,000 days = approx. 63 million years

1 up down cycle through the galactic belt = 62My according to scientists..."My" = 1 million years...now explain that to me...just how is that possible...did they just randomly produce a calendar with a cycle of 63My? Even today we can't accurately produce an exact amount of time required for a galactic cycle...there is actually a margin of error of a few million years...you must remember that what is being measured...is the actual movement of our solar system through and around our galaxy...you can't even begin to do such a thing without the right base of scientific knowledge and technology...it's simply not a matter of some math done with sticks in the dirt...what is even more mind boggling...is the fact that we seem to be about to pass through the galactic belt in 2012...now some scientists might say we just did pass...or currently are...or are about to....but one thing is for sure...we are EXTREMELY, mind-bogglingly close the belt when considering the length of the cycle...it wouldn't really matter if we passed through it a million years ago, one could still state "we JUST passed through the galactic belt"...considering the time frame of 62My...if we just did, the problem could be about to hit us as we leave the belt, of we currently are, then the problem could be somewhere in the belt, or just as we leave it and go into the other side, which we haven't for around 31My...if we are about to go into it, the problem could lie in the actual passing...who really knows...the point here, is that considering how close we are, and how precisely this synchronizes with the Mayan calender, is beyond comprehension, and is has to mean something. So is it a coincidence that their calendar appears to keep track of our movement through the galaxy and matches the exact location of our solar system in our cycle? Considering the time scale involved here...one would have an extremely hard time describing a scenario for comparison, which shows such synchronicity but on a scale in which we can get a clearer understanding and respect for the situation...

My theory (and that of many others): They were told by an extraterrestrial civilization whom they considered as Gods.

Now check out these numerous links below...they claim scientists have found a cycle of mass extinctions which occur every 60-64My

Mass extinction comes every 62 million years, UC physicists discover
With surprising and mysterious regularity, life on Earth has flourished and vanished in cycles of mass extinction every 62 million years, say two UC Berkeley scientists who discovered the pattern after a painstaking computer study of fossil records going back for more than 500 million years.

Their findings are certain to generate a renewed burst of speculation among scientists who study the history and evolution of life. Each period of abundant life and each mass extinction has itself covered at least a few million years -- and the trend of biodiversity has been rising steadily ever since the last mass extinction, when dinosaurs and millions of other life forms went extinct about 65 million years ago.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...re-a-milk.html and
http://www.livescience.com/space/sci...osmic_evo.html
Research has revealed that the rise and fall of species on Earth seems to be driven by the undulating motions of our solar system as it travels through the Milky Way. Some scientists believe that this cosmic force may offer the answer to some of the biggest questions in our Earth’s biological history—especially where evolution has fallen short.

Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley found that marine fossil records show that biodiversity increases and decreases based on a 62-million-year cycle. At least two of the Earth's great mass extinctions-the Permian extinction 250 million years ago and the Ordovician extinction about 450 million years ago-correspond with peaks of this cycle, which can't be explained by evolutionary theory.

Early last year, a team of researchers at the University of Kansas came up with an out-of-this-world explanation for the phenomenon. Their idea hinges upon the fact that stars move through space and sometimes rush headlong through galaxies, or approach closely enough to cause a brief cosmic tryst.

Our own star moves toward and away from the Milky Way's center, and also up and down through the galactic plane. One complete up-and-down cycle takes 64 million years- suspiciously close to the Earth's biodiversity cycle.

Once the researchers independently confirmed the biodiversity cycle, they then proposed a novel mechanism whereby which the Sun's galactic travels is causing it.
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Normally, our galaxy's magnetic field shields our solar system from this "galactic wind." But every 64 million years, the solar system's cyclical travels take it above the galactic plane.

"When we emerge out of the disk, we have less protection, so we become exposed to many more cosmic rays," Melott has said.
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/11573/1066/
As the Earth’s solar system travels around the center of the Milky Way galaxy, it also wobbles up and down from the galaxy’s disc. U.S. scientists found that these swings take about 62 million years to complete—thus, may expose the Earth to higher doses of dangerous cosmic ray that may also cause mass extinctions.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...re-a-milk.html
Normally, our galaxy's magnetic field shields our solar system from this "galactic wind." But every 64 million years, the solar system's cyclical travels take it above the galactic plane.

"When we emerge out of the disk, we have less protection, so we become exposed to many more cosmic rays," Melott has said.
Galactic Drift and Mass Extinction
With a 3-million year uncertainty in the calculations, that 64 million year cycle matches well enough with the 62 million year cycle of extinctions. The match resonates with Richard Muller, who says of the KU team: “They succeeded where I failed in coming up with a possible explanation for the effect that we observed.” And if they’re right, we have time to prepare for the next major event, since the Solar System has just passed the mid-plane of the galaxy.
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The extinction event that cries out for explanation here is the most recent, the Cretaceous/Tertiary dinosaur extinction that dates back some 65 million years. It’s exceptional in this context because it occurred within two million years of the Solar System’s mid-plane galactic crossing.
We pass through the galactic belt about every 30-35My...a full up-down cycle takes around 63My...and mass extinctions seem to happen around every 62My...here's what I think is happening...please excuse the dodgy handwriting:

So, basically, as you can see in this picture, I believe that when we move below the galactic belt, the sudden polarity shift may affect us, or there is something on that side of the belt which affects the life on Earth very harshly. I drew up that diagram a fair while ago, and it wasn't really meant for anything so I wasn't very careful of my wording...when I talk of polarity I'm not referring to the Earths poles...I just mean that the position of our solar system and Earth has changed galactic polarity...the galaxy is probably somewhat like an insanely huge magnet or something like that...I'm not really sure, but it's obvious that some sort of polarity will be shifted when we move through to the other side of the galaxy...and i have no idea if the Earths poles will shift along with it...

So there we go...make of it what you will...also ask yourself when the last significant mass extinction was? Is the synchronicity beginning to mean anything yet? Is everything clicking into place yet? The only thing left to do...is figure out exactly what might happen around 2012...as scientists just seem to be throwing theories around at the moment...and as you may have noticed, if you read carefully...is the fact that we don't know exactly how long the galactic cycle takes...but considering what I have explained so far...if you believe, as I do, that Aliens visited Earth in the past, and were regarded as Gods, and they provided this information upon which the Mayan calender was constructed, we can only assume something will happen on, or very close to 2012...and that there is a hidden message waiting for us to discover it...in any case, if you accept that the Mayans couldn't have possibly worked out the length of our galactic cycle at their current level of advancement, you must conclude that some higher force, an advanced alien species perhaps, gave them this information. In this case, we can expect they gave them this info for a purpose and that it is fairly precise. And it probably wasn't just the Mayans that were visited by "sky Gods"...99% of the cultures I have studied have references to "Gods which came from the sky"...there is a documentary titled "Ancient Astronauts" I think...it's very interesting...

For all those people who will say "the Mayans never predicted anything such as the end of the world on 2012"...of course they didn't, if I'm correct, they aren't even the ones who devised the calender in the first place. I'm guessing they were told about cosmic cycles, and our current position in our cycle. They then built the worlds most complex calender and set it to when they were told, so that it synchronized with our current galactic position perfectly. Why would they start it near the end? It lasts for 63My and they made that calender only a few thousand years ago...why did they start it where they did? Shouldn't it be near the start, not about to end? Why build a calender that lasts so long? What was the point of it? IMO it must be to map our galactic cycle, and I think one day (if we don't go extinct) we will discover the Mayan calender maps exactly our galactic cycle with extreme precision.

And for all those people who like to scream "IT DOESN'T END!"...the Mayan calender doesn't end, but restarts on 2012...but does that really make one ounce of a difference? No...it doesn't...no significance at all...the significance is when the mysterious and complex calendar reaches its end after 63My...whether it starts again or not makes no difference....the calender has a start and an end...just like our calenders count through the 12 months in a year...until reaching the end and starting again...the fact is...the Mayan calender lasts for 63My before it reaches the end, restarts and starts from the beginning of it's cycle...it makes no difference whether it suddenly halts or keeps going...I couldn't care less if the calender is set to explode on 2012...it's beyond the point.

Also, please don't start this "been there, done that!" crap...I'm talking about those people who will say..."look at y2k...nothing happened and life went on a normal...2012 will be a NON-EVENT just like every other stupid prediction"...it's highly ignorant to compare y2k (a very ill founded prediction which involves computers not being able to click over to the year 2000) to a prediction which involves cosmic cycles and has been around for centuries...just please try to provide some sort of substantial argument which address the points I have put forward here...

Also, I'm not even sure what will happen, I'm not claiming it will be the end of the world...we are talking about biodiversity cycles here...it could be something for the better...it could in fact be the next step in our evolution as we move into a higher state of awareness and vibrational state, as others have been predicting. Like many others, I too feel it coming, I can feel it all around me, getting closer and closer...the "static charge" of world consciousness rising...the dawn of a new age is upon us...it was the fact that I could sense this change coming that I found myself researching this subject so that I might get some answers. In the end, I really don't know what might happen...all I know, is something extremely significant is very likely to happen around 2012...

In my search, I've come across theories of Nibiru, Galactic SuperWaves, Timewave Zero, Galactic Alignment, Solar Storms, the Web Bot Project, Pole Reversal...and countless other theories...but I could find no solid backing to any of these theories...mind you, there were a few compelling theories...but it wasn't until I found the theory involving the Galactic Plane and it's connection to the Mayan calender and biodiversity cycles until I started realize I was onto something big...I know it, others know it, and we ALL feel it somewhere deep inside us whether we like to admit it or not.

Now, I know what your thinking...all this crackpot talk of 2012 and Aliens...I know I will come off as totally insane to a lot of people...so just take it easy on me...I didn't come here to start a war. Yes, I'm aware this theory is not a new one. I am merely trying to provide some good scientific backing for this theory, and put the facts into a nice coherent thread where I could link together the galactic cycle with the Mayan calender and biodiversity cycles.

I also added a poll as a fun little exercise...

Disclaimer: I did post something similar to this in a conspiracy forum, it is NOT plagiarized.

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3. Very impressive, except that the solar system is nowhere near the galactic plane.
The Sun is currently 5–30 parsecs from the central plane of the galactic disc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way

4. Of course 2012 will be a significant year. It's an election year.

5. Ironically, there is a badass lunar eclipse December 21, 2010, and NOTHING on December 21, 2012...

6. Originally Posted by Arcane_Mathematician
NOTHING on December 21, 2012...
Heh, if you call aliens, planet X colliding with the Earth, flooding, supervolcano eruptions, solar flares, meteorites and Judgement Day to be nothing :wink:

In fact, there are so many bullshit ideas about the 2012 'apocalypse' that cult-leaders and con-artists will struggle to think of a new apocalypse in 2013...

7. I thought for sure I was going to see something like this when I opened this thread:

8. Typical responses so far...except for Harold, at least he tried to provide some sort of substantial argument, rather than spewing nonsense and personal opinion all over this thread...

Originally Posted by Harold14370
Very impressive, except that the solar system is nowhere near the galactic plane.
The Sun is currently 5–30 parsecs from the central plane of the galactic disc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
There is no possible way they can know for sure what or exact position relative to the galactic equator is...there is a margin of error of a few million years involved...and if you read my post properly, you'd see that I stated it makes no difference if we just crossed, or if we are just about to...

With such a large margin of error, I can't even accurately say we will be passing in 2012...but lets just say we did pass in 1998 as is generally accepted...that's 14 years before 2012...what is 14 years in comparison to 63My? That's my point...how ever you look at it, we are mind-bogglingly close to the galactic equator, and certainly aren't in the safe zone yet.

EDIT: Also, assuming we did pass in 1898, from what I've read, we won't have fully passed through the galactic belt until roughly 2018. It's possible that on the other side of the galactic equator exists dangerous levels of radiation or exotic types of energy/matter...these theories are not mine, but those of several scientists which you can read about in the links I provided. There also exists the possibility of a change in our galactic polarity as I mentioned earlier. So, it's possible that we start seeing noticeable effects by 2012, and particularly around the day of the winter solstice on the 21/12/2012 at 11:11 which also happens to be the same day the Mayan calender ends (and restarts), but IMO, there are already numerous indicators the Earth is going through radical changes...

9. Originally Posted by CHA0S
Typical responses so far...except for Harold, at least he tried to provide some sort of substantial argument, rather than spewing nonsense and personal opinion all over this thread...

Originally Posted by Harold14370
Very impressive, except that the solar system is nowhere near the galactic plane.
The Sun is currently 5–30 parsecs from the central plane of the galactic disc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way
There is no possible way they can know for sure what or exact position relative to the galactic equator is...there is a margin of error of a few million years involved...
What exactly is the error or uncertainty and what is your source on that?

10. Originally Posted by CHA0S
With such a large margin of error, I can't even accurately say we will be passing in 2012...but lets just say we did pass in 1998 as is generally accepted...that's 14 years before 2012...what is 14 years in comparison to 63My?
You misunderstand the alignment predicted by the Mayan calendar. It has nothing to do with the solar system's position relative to the galactic plane. It is an alignment of earth and sun towards the center of the galaxy at the December solstice and is on a 26,000 year cycle, not 63My. It has to do with the precession of the equinoxes, not the position of the solar system. This is an alignment that occurs every year, just not at the December solstice.

11. Harold,

Solar system's Galactic Orbit (Up and down wobble) is thought to be anywhere from 52 to 74 million years. source

But upon doing some research, it appears our position relative to the galactic equator can be determined with a lot more accuracy by determining Characteristics of the Galaxy according to Cepheids and I think some other methods. Although, I've read a lot of articles, and it seems we just can't be sure if we've already passed through the galactic plane or not. Everyone is saying different things, maybe you can clarify?

You're right, there is a particular alignment which takes place every year, but what seems more important is "when the December solstice sun has converged, as a result of the precession of the equinoxes, with the exact center-line of the Milky Way (the Galactic equator)".
Precession is caused by the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below).

The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).

Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."

This Galactic Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar.
source
This particular type alignment seems to happen about every 26,000 years, but it must be an even more unlikely and significant event when we see this particular alignment, and a TRUE alignment i.e. when our solar system physically passes through the galactic plane, or at least, is as close as it is. Although, it is the passing through the galactic plane which I'm interested in, and which my article focuses on...but there is also evidence the Egyptians were very interested in galactic alignment (involving precession of the equinoxes):
In 1994 the "Orion Mystery" was reportedly solved when it was realized and demonstrated that one of the Great Pyramid's air shafts mentioned above aligned with the stars of Orion's Belt in the era 2600 B.C. Our two intrepid researchers, Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert, explained their realization that the Great Pyramid serves as a precessional star-clock, in that the orientation of the great pyramid defines certain eras in the precessional cycle. A time some 12,500 years ago is indicated by the Great Pyramid as an era the early Egyptians were especially interested in (remember this would have been when Orion was directly "above" and corresponded to the outline of the three Giza pyramids). Although our researchers do not mention it, 12,500 years ago corresponds to the last time a solstice sun coincided with the Milky Way. The next time this happens--you guessed it--will be in 2012, the Mayan calendar end-date.
source - Other Ancient cultures interested in 2012

12. If what your saying is correct everything would take hundreds or even thousands of years to have any impact at all. It's kind of like global warming, hey the ocean rose a millimeter this year, guess we had better move the house back an inch to be on the safe side

It's not like the Mayan's had any kind of night life, what better to do then chart and plot the movement of stars over hundreds of years to figure out cycles. They are not the first culture to do so, they just happen to be one of the better at the task. They had very good math skills compared to many as well. I'm also not sure how one can say they are more accurate then we are if we are not accurate. How does one know what is more accurate with only inaccuracy to base things on. How about it makes a good story and sounds cool, so they must be more accurate.

See you on the flip side (Earth joke, get it)

13. Originally Posted by CHA0S
...spewing nonsense and personal opinion all over this thread...
Hehe. Hypocrisy is indeed a fine art.

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