Thread: My theory about the life on the Earth

Hello, I'm sixteen years old and I'm from Poland. I'm interested in physics.

For few weeks I have thought about the problem of the genesis of life on our planet. Sometimes we can read that it has evoluted from some kinds of basic proteins and amino acids.
But these chemical compounds also had to be created somehow - how? Some days ago I thought an interesting answer - someone had to PUT them onto the Earth. But - who? In the time BEFORE these compounds there was completely no life! The only answer which I thought, is: we - the people, travelling back into the past.
Yeah, this may look very chaotic, but now I'm going to explain everything.

This is my theory:
Since the Big Bang there was completely no life on the Earth, there weren't even any compounds from which the life could evolute. In some concrete moment, (called "X point" by me) the indispensable compounds (amino acids, etc.) were put onto the Earth.
During the millions years of evolution, the life forms on the Earth evoluted. Finally - the humans appeared. They will try to find the truth about the beginnings of life and they'll finally find out, from which exactly chemical compounds the life began. They'll find out that they couldn't get created spontaneously, but someone had to put them onto the Earth, and this "someone" - are theirselves.
When the human race will be on high level of civilisation, and the time travelling will be possible - people will travel back into the X point and put the amino acids, proteins etc. onto the Earth. Then they'll get back to their present.

The most popular question about my theory is:
Why do the people have to travel back to the X point? The life EXISTS, and there's no need to create it! And - what will happen, if people don't travel back to the X point? Will their disappear suddenly?
This is the time paradox. If the life exist NOW, it means that the people from future have put it onto the Earth. If they haven't done it - there would still be no life on our planet.

Second question is:
Can you repeat the fragment about people and X point, a bit more clearly?
Sure. In the X point amino acids and other indispensable chemical compounds were put onto the Earth. Millions years after that, the people who evoluted from these compounds, will be able to travel in time and get back to the X point. They'll put the compounds, from which they'll evolute some time, and travel back to their present.

Thanks for reading. What do you think about my theory? Is there something worthy in it, or is it only the fantasy? Maybe someone made a similar theory before me? Please answer!

PS I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect, but I always had problem with the tenses

Originally Posted by Kolejarz

Hello, I'm sixteen years old and I'm from Poland. I'm interested in physics.

For few weeks I have thought about the problem of the genesis of life on our planet. Sometimes we can read that it has evoluted from some kinds of basic proteins and amino acids.
But these chemical compounds also had to be created somehow - how? Some days ago I thought an interesting answer - someone had to PUT them onto the Earth. But - who? In the time BEFORE these compounds there was completely no life! The only answer which I thought, is: we - the people, travelling back into the past.
Yeah, this may look very chaotic, but now I'm going to explain everything.

This is my theory:
Since the Big Bang there was completely no life on the Earth, there weren't even any compounds from which the life could evolute. In some concrete moment, (called "X point" by me) the indispensable compounds (amino acids, etc.) were put onto the Earth.
During the millions years of evolution, the life forms on the Earth evoluted. Finally - the humans appeared. They will try to find the truth about the beginnings of life and they'll finally find out, from which exactly chemical compounds the life began. They'll find out that they couldn't get created spontaneously, but someone had to put them onto the Earth, and this "someone" - are theirselves.
When the human race will be on high level of civilisation, and the time travelling will be possible - people will travel back into the X point and put the amino acids, proteins etc. onto the Earth. Then they'll get back to their present.

The most popular question about my theory is:
Why do the people have to travel back to the X point? The life EXISTS, and there's no need to create it! And - what will happen, if people don't travel back to the X point? Will their disappear suddenly?
This is the time paradox. If the life exist NOW, it means that the people from future have put it onto the Earth. If they haven't done it - there would still be no life on our planet.

Second question is:
Can you repeat the fragment about people and X point, a bit more clearly?
Sure. In the X point amino acids and other indispensable chemical compounds were put onto the Earth. Millions years after that, the people who evoluted from these compounds, will be able to travel in time and get back to the X point. They'll put the compounds, from which they'll evolute some time, and travel back to their present.

Thanks for reading. What do you think about my theory? Is there something worthy in it, or is it only the fantasy? Maybe someone made a similar theory before me? Please answer!

PS I'm sorry if my English isn't perfect, but I always had problem with the tenses

Nonsense

This does not belong in the physics forum.

Originally Posted by Kolejarz

Sometimes we can read that it has evoluted from some kinds of basic proteins and amino acids.
But these chemical compounds also had to be created somehow - how?

Simple amino acids are known to form spontaneously under many different types of conditions. They have even been detected floating around in space, in comets, etc. Most likely they formed naturally on earth. No fancy time travel etc. explanations are needed.

Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee

Originally Posted by Kolejarz

Sometimes we can read that it has evoluted from some kinds of basic proteins and amino acids.
But these chemical compounds also had to be created somehow - how?

Simple amino acids are known to form spontaneously under many different types of conditions. They have even been detected floating around in space, in comets, etc. Most likely they formed naturally on earth. No fancy time travel etc. explanations are needed.

Yep. Been done in the laboratory too.

His "theory" is still nonsense and does not belong in a physics forum.

Originally Posted by DrRocket

Nonsense

This does not belong in the physics forum.

Dr Rocket I realise you are very intelligent and have loads of posts and this kids theory obviously isn't correct BUT you don't have to be rude. He's a 16 year old kid and he is just making a suggestion that he came up with himself which is pretty impressive to me.

This sounds like an idea for a video game or something. I would definitely play it! :-D

Video game? Maybe I'll write a science-fiction book some day ^^

There are many strange modern science theories, which also sound like nonsense.
But mine - yes, you're right, it IS a nonsense. I think that I have read too much Anne McCaffrey's fantasy books

Thanks for information, I didn't know that amino acids can get created completely spontaneously even from basic compounds.

And... Please don't think I'm dumb, or crazy ^^ I'm not a bad student, I won some physics and math contests, and... I just wanted to try out, if my theory has something in it.
Now I know it had nothing, and thank you - people learn by mistakes

And - you're right, it shouldn't be in the "physics", but I haven't seen "New Hypotheses and Ideas" forum before. I'm sorry for that

Originally Posted by Kolejarz

And... Please don't think I'm dumb, or crazy ^^ I'm not a bad student, I won some physics and math contests, and... I just wanted to try out, if my theory has something in it.

You are certainly not dumb... You seem very intelligent (you've just come up with a suggestion by yourself and your only 16... definitely stick with physics :-D )

Thanks I'm sure that I'm gonna stick with it in my future, because physics is my passion (and also guitar playing, but it's a different story) :-D

i don't think there is any sound evidence for this theory to be in any way made real...............i'm afraid time travel and the idea that we created ourselves is just a bit much.........lol.........

............be careful with these things in future, you need evidence to back up a theory which usually relates to the physical universe, don't let string theory lead you astray..........(excuse the misplaced and incorrect humour)........hehe........

science fiction is good fun as it has guess what in it............science..............a much better form of fiction!!! Some may say that science is the best fiction of them all but lets stay away from that one.................... :-D

Perhaps, Kolejarz, your hypothesis could be more grandiose. Try this:

Our universe is remarkable in that it seems to guarantee the emergence of life. For examples all this water and carbon mixing around, and the energy gradients (stars) life happily exploits. One could say this universe is suspiciously fertile. This fertility owes to particular conditions of the Big Bang. Those in turn may owe to whatever "set up" the Big Bang. Was there a Big Crunch of earlier universe, and if so could it have been tailored in some way to promote fertility in the present universe?

Can we (life) tailor cosmology on that scale? I think the reflexive answer people bring depends, irrationally, on their pessimism over human nature or life in general. If we're doomed to eternal insignificance and collapse then no we can't "change the universe". We can't affect the hypothetical next universe. One may alternately come to that conclusion using a picture of the universe with ourselves omitted - that's a false clarity which science kinda encourages. However an objective - and encouraging - view of life shows that life expands and reorganizes its medium, eventually converting that formerly "dead" medium into an ecosystem entirely hooked to life's machinations. This growth may be exponential. The medium of life is the universe.

What would life do in a hypothetical future when the universe has become a life-organised system, yet it faces Heat Death/Entropy/Big Crunch? I'd suggest we cause or modify the next Big Bang to guarantee the re-emergence of life. If possible. :?

Very curious theory. I also thought about something like that - but... I don't think that we'll be ever able to make our universe the life-organised system. I think that long before we even could think about sowing life in our universe, we'll completely destroy ourselves - and whole life on the Earth - in the great war. Sooner or later, two mad leaders of fighting alliances will destroy the Earth with atomic bombs...

But, if we had more luck - yes, this could be possible, and step by step the universe could be inhabited by forms of life. With advanced genetics, I think that we'll be able to create the forms, which are adapted to conditions (temperatures, light etc.) on other planets. Some kind of symbiosis could bring great profits to mankind.

But I don't think that we'll be ever able to predict the course of the next Big Bang - with so gigantic energy and pressure, there will be very much noise, which will make this incident completely unpredictable and random. But maybe we'll be able to increase the probablity of life recreation.

I guess Urey and Miller were wrong all along.

Hi, Koli,
Very interesting...
Before going so deep, however,
consider the following:
We tend to think of ourselves as very complex multi-cellular beings.
If we dare to look at it as it is,
we will find out the simple fact:
This is JUST A PHASE in our life.
There was a time for each and every one of us,
when we were SINGLE-CELL micro-organisms:
right after the fertilization of our mother's egg-cell we come from.
If we want to get further on,
and have a child,
it will INEVITABLY BE just another micro-organism in its beginning.
So, going back to our simplest form possible is just
what happens again and again.
You can call it going back in time if you wish.
One thing more:
Time has a direction FOR US,
only because WE ARE DIRECTED, that is,
we have a front end, and a back end -
so, inevitably we go one way,
and Time flows FOR US in the opposite direction of our way.
When we were sherical, however,
Time had no direction, of course.
Viruses are like that:
They are spherical (without heads and tails),
and they can live inactively for hundreds? thousands? years (noone know exactly how long),
without bothering about what direction Time goes to.
Maybe this is how life travels around the Universe - in its simplest form possible,
and there is no wonder we were all viruses in the beginning.
Hoping this makes your idea less confusing,
Yours really,
uM