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    I wasn't able to follow your explanation. Your post didn't really make any sense to me.

    Also, your post kind of makes me think that you don't really understand the physics of electron orbitals. This statement:

    "electrons slow them selves down to their individual ground state. the reason why electrons in a hydrogen atom dont have an increase in orbital or 2 different shells is because their is only 1 proton in the atom & thus any little energy given to it , it jumps off the atom. "

    is false. A hydrogen electron can certainly be in an excited state in a 5d orbital, or whatever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nwaogu
    seems like you dont understand.
    we meant further increase in orbital when the electron that gotten to its highest energy level in the 1st shell and thus there cant be a further increase to shell 2 because of the 1 proton present.
    hydrogen atom as you said has 5d orbital but has lesser orbitals than more complex atoms like uranium.
    Every atom has the same orbitals. Not all atoms have the same number of orbits occupied by electrons, but that's just because not all atoms have the same number of electrons.

    But again, I might not be understanding you properly.

    You say that your theory explains why electrons "slow themselves down" to their lowest energy orbitals. Maybe it would help me understand your theory if you answer this question: Suppose you have a hydrogen atom with its electron in the 2S shell, an excited state. Why, according to your theory, would the electron drop back down to the 1S orbital?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwaogu
    May be we can do that with our Quantum theory of excited state:

    An orbiting electron around the nucleus readily absorb Energy such as light and then excites.
    As it excites the +ve charge of the protons makes the electron start loosing energy.
    it doesnt start removing the Light energy from itself because that will be against "Quatum Theory", so it waits until the total energy is drained out and then it releases them as Packets of Light energy (Quanta)and then at the same time returns to its previous orbit due to the energy lost.

    This is the Quatum Theory of Excited State.
    In one word: Nope. nwaogu, will you please stop trying to pull people's legs? It gets real old, real fast.
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    Nwaogu, I am ready to move this back to the physics section, from pseudoscience, when you post some maths describing your hypothesis (speculation) in more detail.
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    Okay. I'm going to make this brief. This thread appears to explain electron orbitals as an actuality instead of simply a model. Electron orbitals are merely shaped as they are because there is a 90% probability of finding an electron in that area at any given time. It's not actually there. There is no such thing as an orbital, where an electron has to go, just merely a space relative to the nucleus where you're likely to find it 90% of the time.

    The Bohr model was only for hydrogen so of course it breaks down, but it is unfortunately used to poison the minds of school children. I like Bohr though, jolly good fellow.

    I guess the point in this thread is to point out some difference in the speed of the electron in it's excited versus ground state. Well, as far as I know measuring the speed of an electron is not possible from where we sit at the moment, because in order to measure the velocity of something you'd have to measure it's position against time. We can't locate any specific electron. That's why we have modelled these orbitals. However, if you say that it makes sense that electrons in the excited state speed up from the ground state, I would agree with that, it does make sense. There is more energy. However, you have to take into account that a substantial chunk of the energy is actually being used in propelling the electron to the excited state, and that actually is quantifiable.
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