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Thread: the location of sodom and gomorrah

  1. #1 the location of sodom and gomorrah 
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    Just so Skinwalker doesn't flip out, this is NOT dealing with the Biblical story BUT the real archaeological digs which have competing locations and ideas.

    I have participated in discussions on this topic with those on both sides of the issues on credible forums and through e-mails and have felt frustrated with the northern location camp as they twist scriptures to feed their egos.

    In this issue i side with Dr. Bryant wood and the southern location as i see too many holes and twists of scripture by Dr. steven collins and his assoc.

    I do not agree with nor give credibility to the late ron wyatt and excuse his many exxaggerated claims due to an illness he may have suffered from. You can read about it here:

    [url]http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.htmlhttp://<br /> <br /> I hope to keep ... each location


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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist

    I do not agree with nor give credibility to the late ron wyatt and excuse his many exxaggerated claims due to an illness he may have suffered from. You can read about it here:

    http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html
    The illness appear to be a very bad case of Horsepucky Syndrome.

    From your link:

    "Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been thoroughly discredited by various Christian organizations..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist
    Just so Skinwalker doesn't flip out, this is NOT dealing with the Biblical story BUT the real archaeological digs which have competing locations and ideas.
    What other ideas? While I wouldn't doubt that such a place name might have existed, is there any evidence other than from the OT that it actually did exit? Any at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist
    so if you have anything you would like to add, make sure you bring in credible links and references to back up your positions.
    I understand the appropriate convention in this situation would be for you to provide references for the works of the researchers you have made passing reference to. Would you please do so now. This will enable the casual but interested observer to participate in, or at least better appreciate the discussion.
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    feel free to do your own work. i am prepared to do mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist
    feel free to do your own work. i am prepared to do mine.
    Please do.

    You state: "this is NOT dealing with the Biblical story BUT "

    Well I'm asking a serious question, what else it there that suggest the cities are real outside of the Biblical story?

    Other oral traditions from other cultures that name the place or have other similarities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist
    feel free to do your own work. i am prepared to do mine.
    This is wholly unacceptable for three reasons.

    Firstly, the convention on internet science forums is that posters provide justification for their arguments by providing full citations for their references. You have offered a couple of references relating to your topic, but have provided only the researchers family names. This makes it difficult for other members to track down the relevant information with any ease. You imply you have knowledge in this area, so it would be simple for you provide this information.

    Secondly, it is just good manners.

    Thirdly, it is strongly encouraged by the guidelines of this forum.
    "Though it is not neccesary to use the APA-norm, assuring that people know where they can find the original source is encouraged."

    I trust you will now comply with convention, good manners and the rules of the board and provide the necessary references. Where it is approrpiate I have always delivered comrephensive details of any references I have used and have always responded positively to any specific requests.
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    i started a discussion and made a premise, if you cannot uphold your end that is up to you.

    some people jump the gun and demand everything be done their way and in their time, obviously he is being obnoxious because he hates Christ and Christians. I have references and links and if certain posters would put their hatred aside and participated properly such woul dhave been posted in due time.

    yet they want to find any excuse to complain because they do not like someone's christian perspective. he shows that he is only for free speech when it is something he agrees with or approves of. peoplelikehim need to grow up and let others be who they are and let them post accordingly.

    What other ideas? While I wouldn't doubt that such a place name might have existed, is there any evidence other than from the OT that it actually did exit? Any at all?
    Collins says he read all available literature on the topic before commencing with his dig thus he mayhave access to some secualr works which refer to this topic.

    In the footnotes of this article you will find some secular sources:

    http://www.aish.com/societyWork/scie...d_Gomorrah.asp
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    Thanks Arch.

    Going through it but there really isn't a clear connections and some very confusing conclusions such as their mention of Numeira, which when I searched I found it only 0.5 hectare walled settlement. That's tiny and certainly not a well populated place for example which is suggested as a requirement in other references.

    I'll go though the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archaeologist
    i started a discussion and made a premise, if you cannot uphold your end that is up to you.
    You have failed to deliver what is required by convention, politeness and forum rules. Hiding behind nonsense about me hating Christians is the act of a coward. I do not hate Christians. I do find faux Christians, like yourself, who bring a great religion into disrepute by your displays of intransigent self righteousness, to be extremely distasteful.

    This is an example of how you are meant to deliver citations. In future have the decency, the intellect and the respect for the forum rules, to provide an equivalent.

    Bryant Woods has argued for a date for the destruction of Jericho some one and a half centuries later than that recognised by the majority of researchers.

    Bryant G. Wood, "Did the Israelites Conquer Jericho? A New Look at the Archaeological Evidence," Biblical Archaeology Review 16(2) (March/April 1990): 44-58.

    His argument has been further undermined by radio-carbon dating on grains from the level of destruction.

    Bruins & van der Plicht, "Tell es-Sultan (Jericho): Radiocarbon Results of Short-Lived Cereal and Multiyear Charcoal Samples from the End of the Middle Bronze Age," Radiocarbon 37:2, 1995.
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