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    We create a natural, personalised projection of colour and light. It is projected all around us all the time. From the information I've gathered our retinas can "fire off" colour and light, without the stimulation of any external light at all. Our brains are constantly creating a projection of colour and light, and colour and light are forms of energy. This self projected colour and light can be noticed when you close your eyes. Even in complete dark, if aware enough of it, you can notice a 'colourful static' projected all around you with your eyes open. When in meditative states with closed eyes you do not see complete dark stillness. You see an array of colourful patterning which intensifies the more you 'let go' and relax. This colour and light is not only there with your eyes closed, it is all around you all the time. And can be noticed, and can possibley be used towards further human development.


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    Well people certainly radiate in the IR color spectrum. The rods in our eyes are extremely photo sensitive, and responsible for black and white vision. The cones are less sensitive, but see in color.

    Is the aura you see more evident in the peripheral vision than when you look right at it? That would indicate it's something to do with the rods in the eyes. Maybe there are rods which are *just* faintly tuned into the IR spectrum. Normally they're too weak to be detected, but during meditation we become more sensitive. But this would mean the aura you see wouldn't really have "color". It'd be like how we see the world at night. Rods are also responsible for motion detection, so I'd imagine you'd see the aura more as a sensation of motion than as a color.

    Another idea is that the cones are being excited in some way. While bodies radiate mostly in the IR range, they do radiate very slightly in the visible range. But I consider this idea unlikely.

    Another possibility is that it's something within the eye. Maybe something like the microphone feedback you get, where a signal is being amplified unintentionally. Something in the nerves in the eyes creates a cascade of excited neurons which feed on each other and great a "glow". Perhaps this effect is interfered with by IR? Which would explain if you see it only around people and not objects. Try and see if you see it looking at a radiator type heater.

    Another possibility is that it's an effect within the brain. I'd go with the feedback hypothesis again. While meditating, you're going through essentially sensory deprivation, and turning within yourself. In sensory deprivation tanks, which is sort of the ultimate form of sensory deprivation, some people were known to begin hallucinating. It would seem that the brain, deprived of stimulation, makes its own. So maybe in a meditative state you get mini hallucinations where feedback within the brain creates what we perceive as visual effects.

    And the last possibility is that it's not a real or imagined effect, and the people who claim it are just making things up for attention or whatever. I wouldn't subscribe to this idea, but I bet a subsequent poster will


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    Quote Originally Posted by Numsgil
    Is the aura you see more evident in the peripheral vision than when you look right at it?
    It is everywhere always. It has nothing to do with where I am looking, or where my sight is set. It is projected all around me all the time, and can be noticed through your eye sight.

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    Normally they're too weak to be detected, but during meditation we become more sensitive. But this would mean the aura you see wouldn't really have "color". It'd be like how we see the world at night. Rods are also responsible for motion detection, so I'd imagine you'd see the aura more as a sensation of motion than as a color.
    During meditation this colour and light becomes more amplified. But it is there all the time, with your eyes open, and as soon as your close your eyes. Meditative states just allow you to relax and therefore intensify the natural projection of this energy. I see this colourful patterning or 'aura' as you wish to describe it as enveloping waves of different colours in motion.

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    Another possibility is that it's something within the eye. Maybe something like the microphone feedback you get, where a signal is being amplified unintentionally. Something in the nerves in the eyes creates a cascade of excited neurons which feed on each other and great a "glow". Perhaps this effect is interfered with by IR? Which would explain if you see it only around people and not objects. Try and see if you see it looking at a radiator type heater.
    It is there no matter what you look at or what is around. It is not effected by what is around you per say. It is created and projected by the individual. If it is a 'glow' being created by a cascade of neurons feeding on each other (whatever that means) then a glow is still light, and light is energy. Thus our brain creates a light and colour which is personlised to the functioning of that brain.

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    Another possibility is that it's an effect within the brain. I'd go with the feedback hypothesis again. While meditating, you're going through essentially sensory deprivation, and turning within yourself. In sensory deprivation tanks, which is sort of the ultimate form of sensory deprivation, some people were known to begin hallucinating. It would seem that the brain, deprived of stimulation, makes its own. So maybe in a meditative state you get mini hallucinations where feedback within the brain creates what we perceive as visual effects.
    It is an effect within the brain, and it is projected all around you. I would say meditation does not put you through sensory deprivation, rather more of a sensory turbo mode. The same colour and light you see in meditation aren't only there in meditative states, they are there in the individual all the time, and are being casted out wherever you project yourself. The brain is always making its own stimulus. We react to how we programme our brains to work. So when we relax, breathe, and 'let go' of anything we are holding onto our brain creates a natural stimulus where you see a colourful patterning.

    Do you agree during meditation you see colour and light in motion, and these can be amplified through relaxation? And not only during meditation, as I said it is there always, meditation just helps you to become more aware of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceman1
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    Is the aura you see more evident in the peripheral vision than when you look right at it?
    It is everywhere always. It has nothing to do with where I am looking, or where my sight is set. It is projected all around me all the time, and can be noticed through your eye sight.
    Just so we're clear, is what you're seeing your own aura? Or the aura of other things/people? Or both?

    It is there no matter what you look at or what is around. It is not effected by what is around you per say. It is created and projected by the individual. If it is a 'glow' being created by a cascade of neurons feeding on each other (whatever that means) then a glow is still light, and light is energy. Thus our brain creates a light and colour which is personlised to the functioning of that brain.
    There are two things which gives vision. Either our neurons reacting to light and firing, or our neurons firing without stimulation. What I mean here is that either it's our eyes reacting to the heat energy our bodies radiate, or something like that, or it's our rods and cones "misfiring" in the eye. Maybe as part of a cascade reaction where one neuron misfires and it triggers other neurons nearby to misfire.

    Like if you try to hold your arm out perfectly still. Your muscles and nerves will start to feedback and your arm will move up and down slightly. Sort of like nerve static.

    Do you agree during meditation you see colour and light in motion, and these can be amplified through relaxation? And not only during meditation, as I said it is there always, meditation just helps you to become more aware of it.
    I don't meditate, but I am familiar with it and recognize it as something which can cause real "symptoms" for lack of a better word. Real changes to our bodies and brain and how the two interact. I also put it in the same category as the Iriquois vision quest and the Klingon Rite of MajQa, just so we're clear about what I'm talking about.

    I also do not generally have visual "hallucinations", again for lack of a better word. The exception to this is if I'm extremely sleep deprived. Then I'll occasionally see movement in my peripheral vision.. And also if I've been walking with my head down for a long time, and I look up, I get a weird sensation of motion like everything is receding from me, because the rods in my eyes have become over taxed with the sensation of sidewalk moving towards me. If that makes any sense But in both cases it's the rods that are playing tricks. It's never weird visual effects of color.

    I certainly don't see anything out of the ordinary under normal circumstances. When I close my eyes I see the back of my eyelids. But then, I never learned to close my second eyelid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numsgil
    Just so we're clear, is what you're seeing your own aura? Or the aura of other things/people? Or both?
    If 'aura' is what you want to call it. But yes my own. We each individually project colour and light, without stimulation from external light.

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    There are two things which gives vision. Either our neurons reacting to light and firing, or our neurons firing without stimulation. What I mean here is that either it's our eyes reacting to the heat energy our bodies radiate, or something like that, or it's our rods and cones "misfiring" in the eye. Maybe as part of a cascade reaction where one neuron misfires and it triggers other neurons nearby to misfire.
    What do you mean by 'misfiring'? Our bodies don't do random things, everything your body does is a reaction to something else. I am talking about neurons firing without stimulation. So if neurons can 'fire' without any external light stimulation, and create light and colour, then we are creating an energy.

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    Like if you try to hold your arm out perfectly still. Your muscles and nerves will start to feedback and your arm will move up and down slightly. Sort of like nerve static.

    Your arm does not move up and down naturally. It is being disconnected from your body in some way that causes you to shake, or move up and down slightly while trying to remain still. Often it is because we are sending intent through that limb, and that causes un-steadiness. It is very possible to hold your arm out straight with no movement at all.


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    I don't meditate, but I am familiar with it
    What are you actually familiar with. What do you think people see in meditative states?


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    The exception to this is if I'm extremely sleep deprived. Then I'll occasionally see movement in my peripheral vision..
    When you are sleep deprived your brain does not hold onto things so strongly, and therefore things can move and morph etc. It is this movement that I am kind of talking about. This 'movement' is always moving, but our restrictive thoughts make us less aware of this flow. When we are set in thought and fully conscious our brain is tranced into that state, our brain can potentially be tranced into any state. When we 'let go' and relax we can intensify this 'flow', and with it comes colour and light. Being sleep deprived loosens your grip on reality, and therefore allows this sort of thing to happen.


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    But in both cases it's the rods that are playing tricks.
    This is a very vague statement. So we have things in our brains that 'play tricks' on us? Maybe it is more than just playing tricks.


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    I certainly don't see anything out of the ordinary under normal circumstances. When I close my eyes I see the back of my eyelids. But then, I never learned to close my second eyelid.
    The back of your eye lids? So you see skin when you close your eyes?-- I don't think so... Close your eyes and try and tell me if you see pitch black stillness, it may seem that way at first, but if you can look through the darkness you will notice a 'colourful static'. This is not only there with your eyes closed, it is all around you all the time. If you become aware of this with your eyes closed, go into a dark room, and close your eyes and take note of what you see, then open your eyes. You will notice you see this same 'colourful static' with your eyes open. Closing your eyes just blocks out interference from external light and makes it easier to become aware of. It can be hard to notice, especially if you're not relaxed. Relaxation is the key to inner flow. Close your eyes, forget about everything, take some deep breaths through your nose, and see if you can notice any brightness or colour...
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    Maybe it's a scintillating scotoma. Not necessarily accompanied by migraine headache.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillating_scotoma
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceman1
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    Just so we're clear, is what you're seeing your own aura? Or the aura of other things/people? Or both?
    If 'aura' is what you want to call it. But yes my own. We each individually project colour and light, without stimulation from external light.
    Well aura does come with a lot of baggage. Do you see others' auras or just your own? Is the aura only visible around you, or is it a sort of "filter" that tints the world you see. If it's only visible around you, is it something you can see around your mirror image?

    What do you mean by 'misfiring'? Our bodies don't do random things...
    Sure it does. We're biological organisms, not machines. Which means that the mechanisms we're built on aren't 100% deterministic. Random things happen all the time. This "nerve static" is what causes our arm to move slightly even when we're trying to hold perfectly still. Usually the static is quite low level, but in some diseases like cerebral palsy it gets amplified to the point where normal messages can't hardly get through.

    I am talking about neurons firing without stimulation. So if neurons can 'fire' without any external light stimulation, and create light and colour, then we are creating an energy.
    When a neuron misfires, it reads a certain signal ("red" maybe), even though there's nothing there which should be red. It doesn't create light, it just perceives light.

    But you're right that we are creating energy. We burn roughly 2000 kilocalories a day. Quite a bit of that is radiated away as black body radiation in the IR spectrum, which is the basis for heat vision goggles. So the question is: is what you're seeing external, maybe related to our bodies' black body radiation, or internal, from "nerve static". There are simple tests you can do to determine which it is, and I've sort of hinted at a few above (mirror test, looking at a heat lamp, etc.). That's assuming you're accepting the idea that what you're seeing is light energy. If it's "spiritual" energy or something beyond the realm of rational inquiry, then I can't help you. But since you posted on a science forum I'll assume you want to approach this rationally

    Your arm does not move up and down naturally. It is being disconnected from your body in some way that causes you to shake, or move up and down slightly while trying to remain still. Often it is because we are sending intent through that limb, and that causes un-steadiness. It is very possible to hold your arm out straight with no movement at all.
    Try doing it right now. Keep your arm perfectly still. There will slight motion. This is because our nerves and muscles can get fatigued and fire less frequently after a while. Then our brain has to make a minor adjustment to the relative forces our muscles are using to overcome gravity. The result is a sort of "noise" that our voluntary motions have to overcome.

    Also and somewhat ironically, the stiller you try to keep your arm the more pronounced the "noise" movement. I think this is because you end up tensing your muscles, which just makes the fatigue happen sooner.

    What are you actually familiar with. What do you think people see in meditative states?
    A spiritual realm. I am strictly agnostic about whether that spiritual realm is "real" or a product of the mind. It's equally valid either way.

    The exact nature of this spiritual realm seems to differ by person and culture. For the Iroquis they would see their spiritual guardian. For Moses it was a burning bush in the desert and a Voice. For Worf it was seeing Kahless. Though technically it wasn't a vision but a clone...

    When you are sleep deprived your brain does not hold onto things so strongly, and therefore things can move and morph etc. It is this movement that I am kind of talking about. This 'movement' is always moving, but our restrictive thoughts make us less aware of this flow. When we are set in thought and fully conscious our brain is tranced into that state, our brain can potentially be tranced into any state. When we 'let go' and relax we can intensify this 'flow', and with it comes colour and light. Being sleep deprived loosens your grip on reality, and therefore allows this sort of thing to happen.
    Ah okay, I'm on the same page with you then, at least as far as what you're seeing.

    The back of your eye lids? So you see skin when you close your eyes?-- I don't think so... Close your eyes and try and tell me if you see pitch black stillness, it may seem that way at first, but if you can look through the darkness you will notice a 'colourful static'.
    Seriously watch this all the way through. I don't just drop links casually, I expect people to click them. I think it'll be easier for us to communicate then. This episode strongly reminds me of what you're talking about.

    Then you can tell me if what you're seeing is what the boy sees when he closes his eyelids, or what the girl sees when she closes her second eyelid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numsgil
    Well aura does come with a lot of baggage. Do you see others' auras or just your own? Is the aura only visible around you, or is it a sort of "filter" that tints the world you see.
    I can see a colourful patterning. If you call this the aura then yes I see my own. I do not see it around me, I see it through my vision. As you described it, it is more of a filter, or more so a projection that casts out through the world I see.

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    So the question is: is what you're seeing external, maybe related to our bodies' black body radiation, or internal, from "nerve static".
    What I'm seeing is internal, but it is projected externally.


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    A spiritual realm. I am strictly agnostic about whether that spiritual realm is "real" or a product of the mind. It's equally valid either way.The exact nature of this spiritual realm seems to differ by person and culture. For the Iroquis they would see their spiritual guardian. For Moses it was a burning bush in the desert and a Voice.
    When you are truely meditating you are completely relaxed and thought free. These images of burning bushes etc. are not possible to create unless there is a pre-construction of thought. To really meditate you have to release all thoughts that restrict the natural flow of yourself. Thoughts clutter and interupt the natural functioning of your brain. When you are meditating, and free of all thought, that is when you can easily notice what is really right in front of you, which is this light and colourful waves and patternings. You can amplify this colour and light through real relaxation, where you set your mind free from build ups of thought. Relaxation is the key to your inner flow. And this inner flow of energy we have is also projected out around you all the time, and is able to be noticed through your vision. Connecting with this energy of yours, that is projected everywhere, all around you, all at once, could lead to ulimited potential. I have astrally projected myself through being in a relaxed state, and 'letting my mind go' with this natural projection of energy. It is you that is being projected. Everywhere all at once. The only thing that keeps you where you are, is your set conscious, and pre-constructed grips on life. These differ from person to person, and can be changed, or eliminated. You can potentially connect with any part of your external projection of yourself.


    ... I could not watch your clip as it is restricted to US residents only.
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    Hmm, try this link. About a third of the way in when the boy closes his eyes and says he sees the back of his eyelids... I want you to tell me if that's similar to what you see.
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    That link didn't work either.

    Here are a couple I found that are similar to what I see, but maybe a little more stylised.
    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/3...c1416f.jpg?v=0
    http://www.truthtree.com/images/faeries.jpg

    And here is a piece of artwork by Alex Grey that shows an image of someone being projected out through themselves, all around them, and being everywhere at once. This is basically how it really is, but obviously artisitcally designed.

    http://www.plotinus.com/images/transfiguration.jpg
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    If you are not familiar with them you should look at some of Alex Greys artwork on the net. It is more than just art, he paints what he sees during deep meditative and enlightened states. It is very similar to a lot of things I have noticed myself, but in my own way.
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    That is a brilliant idea. That conveys more of the unknown non-physical power of the universe not coming from outside but rather within.

    There is a lot to learn about the human being within a person. We know the brain is capable of so much more and the existence of some higher dimensional being within ourselves has never been investigated. I personally am indifferent about it, but am more than willing to investigate it. By any means possible, and this is a very interesting hypothesis.

    I believe Einsteins saying that you can never tell if the ship is moving or the desert island apply perfectly here.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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    It is very hard to find evidence of what I am talking, as it is coming fresh of the top of my head basically-- without any pre-constructed information. It is something I have personally discovered, not 'made up', but more so noticed already being there.

    The comment about the retinas "firing off" colour and light, without external light, was told to me by a moderator in another science chat forum. He was not agreeing with me though, simply stating that yes, this can and does happen.

    I am saying it is possible to notice motions of colour and light when you close your eyes. That are not only there during meditative states, but are here all the time. Being in a meditative state just makes it easier to notice them. I see colour and light the instant I close my eyes, I definitely do not see pitch black dark stillness with closed eyes. I see Colour in waving and eveloping motions. And this is intensified through relaxation, and through meditative states. I can also notice this self projection of colour and light with open eyes through the darkness of a completely dark room. It is always being projected, and if aware enough of it, can be noticed through your vision.

    It is very hard to prove with fact what I am saying. I just wanted to put it out there to see if anyone can relate with it. There is colour and light projected by everyone, I'm not sure what form the colour and light is, but I can see it. And as far as my knowledge goes colour and light is energy, so if I can notice a colour and light I project, then it is not an outrageous connection to say that I can notice some sort of projection of energy.

    My ideas are sketchy for now. The pics I posted in my last post aren't random things, they are very similar to the colour and light I notice. And if somone else has also re-created that then they have also noticed it as well. I agree I have no scientific evidence, but I hope to slowly put some together as I lay my ideas on the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceman1
    The comment about the retinas "firing off" colour and light, without external light, was told to me by a moderator in another science chat forum. He was not agreeing with me though, simply stating that yes, this can and does happen.

    I am saying it is possible to notice motions of colour and light when you close your eyes. That are not only there during meditative states, but are here all the time. Being in a meditative state just makes it easier to notice them. I see colour and light the instant I close my eyes, I definitely do not see pitch black dark stillness with closed eyes. I see Colour in waving and eveloping motions. And this is intensified through relaxation, and through meditative states. I can also notice this self projection of colour and light with open eyes through the darkness of a completely dark room. It is always being projected, and if aware enough of it, can be noticed through your vision.
    Seeing coloured spots and visual artefacts when our eyes are closed does not indicate that our eyes are producing light. If you heard of the retina "firing off" that is probably something to do with it sending spurious signals to the brain without input. Sometimes that can be due to tiring of some of our light receptors, as is seen in afterimage effects, or more complex reasons not involving the eyes at all such when people suffer from migraine auras and hallucinations. No light need be involved in that. Our optical nerves and brain can fabricate all manner of visuals with no light involved. We can hallucinate and we always dream visually, these require no light input or output. I've never heard of our eyes producing any light, though I'm open to correction if you can find me a reference. They generate no "aura" in the sense that you're describing. This is all mundane and fairly well-understood stuff.

    If you're actually interested in testing whether your eyes are capable of seeing some light or energy that others cannot then there are certainly ways to test that. But you must be very seriously prepared for the possibility that in fact what you're experiencing has a less glamorous explanation. If you do test this, you need to do a fair test, with condition blinding, randomisation and controls.
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    Everyone can potentially see this colour and light. I do not think it is produced by your eyes, I was just linking information with something I recently heard. But it can be noticed through your vision.

    I don't need to test whether I can see this colour and light-- I can see it, although I would like to find a way where I can help other people notice and connect with it. I can see it almost always. With closed eyes, and with open eyes in a dark room, and if relaxed enough with open eyes in a light filled room. Relaxing and 'letting go' is the only thing that seems to effect this self projection of colour and light. Being tied up with thoughts makes it very hard to be aware of it. By breathing, relaxing, and loosening the grip of your thoughts this light and colour becomes more apparent. What do you truely see when you close your eyes, take a few minutes to really look... As I said, when I close my eyes I see colour and light in waving motions, and this is intensified the more I relax. And if aware enough of it can also be seen with your eyes open. The same way you can tunnel into yourself with closed eyes during meditation, you can also tunnel into what is around you (astrally project yourself) with your eyes open through this waving and vibration of colour and light.
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    This projection of colour and light is directly linked to the projection of your focus. Where ever we individually have our focused directed towards is where we function from. The way you cast out energy depends on how and where you have your concentration built up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBiologista
    Seeing coloured spots and visual artefacts when our eyes are closed does not indicate that our eyes are producing light.
    Quite right, but there are perhaps three phenomena that exists already that might explain it (forgive my ignorance spaceman):

    1: Retina burns. Can leave an imprint of purples and yellows when you close your eyes.

    2: These colours spaceman describes may be being created due to the sub conscious, say a dream.

    I can remember when I once was waking up seeing my bedroom, yet seeing the dream I was having at the same time. The two images and their colours did appear to my conscious self. What I am saying there is my brain was making these colours in my dream yet I was still seeing them, perhaps not seeing them with my eyes but what my sub conscious was making...

    3: What the Bioligista said.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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    ^ If it is any of these things then why does it intensify and become brighter and more colourful the more I relax?
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    I'm going to move this thread into pseudoscience. At the moment, this thread doesn't really meet the criteria for remaining in NH. spaceman, if I can see that you're willing to start discussing evidence, be it your own empirical testing or peer-reviewed data, then I'll consider moving this back to NH again.
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    I have seen nothing in spaceman's descriptions that cannot be fully explained by one or more of the mechanisms proposed by Biologista, Numsgil and Bad Wolf.

    I have seen nothing in spaceman's descriptions that does not match what I see when I close my eyes.

    Consequently I must regretably conclude - provisionally - that there is nothing in spaceman's experience that is out of the ordinary.
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    I just signed up to this forum to demonstrate my input too.

    This is a very interesting topic - I recently had a similar experience. I'm not religious and have just spent a moment research the elusive science behind this phenomenon.

    Two nights ago I was laying in bed. My partner had just fallen asleep and i was settling into a relaxed state that then began to turn hypnogogic. Our room is void of external light - more or less pitch black in the dead of the night. I suddenly (you know how being semi conscious works, on the edge of sleep) saw this huge unexpected sunburst (much like a simulation of the real daytime sun) and it awoke me fully immediately. When I opened my eyes, I was astonished to see that there was a strong afterimage left on my vision. It was exactly the same superimposition as you get after being exposed to a strong light source. I woke my partner and explained what had happened. She found it perculiar too - so I decided to have a look around to see if anybody else could explain what had happened.

    This is a fascinating agenda indeed...
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