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  1. #1 Why Did Jesus Lie To The Apostles? 
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    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
    It means they won't walk away from them. Their pride makes them want to stay and will keep them from moving on, thus not going to all the towns.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?
    Nope. I doubt it.

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    They are that prideful that they would manage to stay alive until the son of man arrives. Its Jesus basically saying how stubborn humankind can, rather... is. So when they see the son of man in their kingdom, they will abandon their stubborn prideful ways, and thus smell of death for they accept it.

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    I answered, doubt if there is any truth to what I said, it just made sense.


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    my spiritual understanding is obviously not of a high level - i don't even understand your question
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    my spiritual understanding is obviously not of a high level - i don't even understand your question
    I'll explain it to you like I'm a 10 year old talking to a policeman after witnessing a traffic accident. Jesus said the following.

    Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Now two things should have occurred. ONE: the Apostles did not finish their run of the towns of Israel and the Son Of Man dropped in from the clouds and established the Kingdom of Heaven which we would be living in right as of now. TWO: the Apostles finished all the towns making Jesus a liar in either cases, for the Son Of Man isn't yet with us, soon, if we all praise the Blesseth Holy Enoch......
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    I don't get what you mean then. Was not my answer satisfactory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Now two things should have occurred. ONE: the Apostles did not finish their run of the towns of Israel and the Son Of Man dropped in from the clouds and established the Kingdom of Heaven which we would be living in right as of now. TWO: the Apostles finished all the towns making Jesus a liar in either cases, for the Son Of Man isn't yet with us, soon, if we all praise the Blesseth Holy Enoch......
    Until Jesus’ baptism by John at about the age of 30 he had been an obscure carpenter from Galilee. But the baptism marked the turning point in his life - he began to believe he could be the Messiah and he now had a mission.
    Will they who believe that Jesus was a prophet rather than the only son of God be condemned ? Are we not, as according to the bible, children of God, therefore as children, we are also a son or a daughter of God.

    If Jesus were born now would people believe that he was God ?

    Incorrect Analysis by Paul.

    The apostle Paul said: "And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable."
    -1 Corinthians 15:14-19

    1. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

    (A) Jesus spirit has risen to God and is now a part of God. Our faith is reinforced.

    2. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise.

    (A) The dead do not rise; this is a scientific fact. The mind is gullible. Perceptions often trick the mind into believing visual events have taken place when this is not necessarily so. Mass hypnosis is a common occurrence. One testifies what one has visualized. This does not constitute a false witness before man or God.

    3. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

    (A) Jesus has been appropriately called the "Son of God" and "Prince of Peace". We are often reminded of the teachings of Jesus whose words have survived two millennia. His disciples kept him alive in the memories of all who heard and believed his words. They, as well as other "Men of God" who contributed to the compilation of the scriptures of the Bible, were inspired by God to give us guidelines to live by.

    Faith is never futile. Sins were invented by man.

    4. Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable."

    (A) Those who have fallen asleep (died) with a clear conscience, their spirit, they are now with Jesus and God. Hope is never pitiable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Now two things should have occurred. ONE: the Apostles did not finish their run of the towns of Israel and the Son Of Man dropped in from the clouds and established the Kingdom of Heaven which we would be living in right as of now. TWO: the Apostles finished all the towns making Jesus a liar in either cases, for the Son Of Man isn't yet with us, soon, if we all praise the Blesseth Holy Enoch......
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    3. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
    I agree with number (3) Paul remained in sin even after the Grace fell upon him.

    Romans.7:[19]For I do not do the good I want, but I do the evil I do not want. [20]Now if (I) do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

    We are still all in sin Christians along with other believers of worldly religions for all die. Jesus is a false god, and therefore the Devil fooling billions in thinking that he's GOD, if the wages of sin is death [Romans.6:23], and Jesus died for our sins [Hebrews.9:26] by me accepting Jesus in Baptism my sins would be forgiven and I bullet proof my soul with the Holy Spirit [Acts.2:38] so I can accomplish [John.11:26] AND NEVER DIE.

    I hope this has helped you "kkawohl?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    3. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
    I agree with number (3) Paul remained in sin even after the Grace fell upon him.

    Sins are man-made inventions and conjectures.

    Romans.7:[19]For I do not do the good I want, but I do the evil I do not want. [20]Now if (I) do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

    Sure, let's blame it all on the imaginary devil.

    We are still all in sin Christians along with other believers of worldly religions for all die. Jesus is a false god, and therefore the Devil fooling billions in thinking that he's GOD, if the wages of sin is death [Romans.6:23], and Jesus died for our sins [Hebrews.9:26] by me accepting Jesus in Baptism my sins would be forgiven and I bullet proof my soul with the Holy Spirit [Acts.2:38] so I can accomplish [John.11:26] AND NEVER DIE.
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    The Bible was written by fallible men.

    The flesh of man dies after our physical experiences cease.

    Jesus (as most will be) is now spirit and a part of God.
    It is people who made him into a god.
    Jesus died because of the supidity of those who killed him physically...so instead of saying "for our sins"...it should be for "their" sins

    The Devil only exists for the people who believe in him.

    All physical bodies die...there are no physical bodies floating around in the spiritual existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkawohl

    All physical bodies die...there are no physical bodies floating around in the spiritual existence.
    Where exactly is the spiritual existence located? How can we communicate with it?
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    All physical bodies die...there are no physical bodies floating around in the spiritual existence.
    Where exactly is the spiritual existence located? How can we communicate with it?
    Dr. Lommel said, "This phase-space is a higher dimensional space, presumably not just the fourth dimension, according to Quantum Mechanics. You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like, but this can be confusing because not everybody has the same ideas about what exactly "spirit" should be. There are several "levels" of consciousness, waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective human consciousness, morphogenetic consciousness, higher consciousness, Cosmic consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our body."
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    [quote="kkawohl"]
    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle

    Sins are man-made inventions and conjectures.

    Sure, let's blame it all on the imaginary devil.

    The Devil only exists for the people who believe in him.
    No my friend the Devil is real, and at your age if you speak like this its because your on that team, that's the best way to corrupt the youth is to tell them there is no consequences to their actions as far as you don't hurt anyone physically. And you know the action the youth would first venture to indulge in. Tick tock my friend, tick tock.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    No my friend the Devil is real...
    My apologies, dear friend...we will again see many devils walking the earth this Halloween.
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    the best way to corrupt the youth is to tell them there is no consequences to their actions as far as you don't hurt anyone physically
    i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to pull you up on that one.

    you really believe the threat of hell's eternal suffering is the only reason not to do a 'bad' thing? are you a sociopath?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkawohl

    Dr. Lommel said, "This phase-space is a higher dimensional space, presumably not just the fourth dimension, according to Quantum Mechanics.
    Dr. Lommel probably knows very little of Quantum Mechanics and is baffling you with BS, so to speak.

    You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like, but this can be confusing because not everybody has the same ideas about what exactly "spirit" should be.
    Then, the concept of 'spirit' is pure speculation and can be discarded as such. Consciousness outside of the brain has not been observed.

    There are several "levels" of consciousness, waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective human consciousness, morphogenetic consciousness, higher consciousness, Cosmic consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our body."
    Much of what you're saying is complete fantasy, no such levels of consciousness have been observed. Clearly, you have no idea what you're talking about and are parroting those who also have no idea what they're talking about. A clear case of the blind leading the blind.
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    You can get people to believe anything, as long as you say 'according to quantum mechanics' at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    You can get people to believe anything, as long as you say 'according to quantum mechanics' at the end.
    Hahaa, made my day that. Welcome back TvEye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    You can get people to believe anything, as long as you say 'according to quantum mechanics' at the end.
    Hahaa, made my day that. Welcome back TvEye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

    Waiting for those who are filled with an overflowing of Grace capable of answering...
    He didnt lie. First there are many in the Christian community that believe John the apostle is still alive (there is some circumstantial evidence to support this) a more logical view is Christ began his kingdom when he was resurrected.
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    Me, as an atheist sees, that there is no Son of Man an no Kingdom of Heaven.

    Sorry to say; nor will there ever be. Both will be religious lies, believed by some and maybe even by a majority of residents on Earth [example : 1.000.000.000 Muslims].

    Forget your 'belief' and start looking at the world in a real way; this way you will help the world to survive it's own stupidity and self-destructive tendencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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    My opinion here.
    Jesus is talking to the Disciples. When you are Saved by Christ, you become a Disciple for Christ. In other words, Mathew may have died, but his followers are still living.
    To follow Jesus, is to be an Disciple, to follow Satan is to be an Anti- Christ.


    When ever I go to a funeral, I always hear the parents and loved ones mention the fact that their loved ones are looking down from Heaven. If this is true, then when we die, we are whisk up to Heaven or Hell, thus not really dying after all.
    Your body dies yet your soul moves on.

    1Cr 15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

    And heres more,
    . This is the second word of Jesus from the cross, when Jesus said to the thief also hanging on another cross, Luke 23:43 “Today, you will be with me in paradise.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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    I also forgot to add.

    Yes, Earth is Heaven, when the world comes to an end, God will make a new Heaven and earth.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.

    I always wondered why the sea was gone, then I thought about the weather and climate change the sea does to the earth, so heck why not get rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollyon
    Me, as an atheist sees, that there is no Son of Man an no Kingdom of Heaven.

    Sorry to say; nor will there ever be. Both will be religious lies, believed by some and maybe even by a majority of residents on Earth [example : 1.000.000.000 Muslims].

    Forget your 'belief' and start looking at the world in a real way; this way you will help the world to survive it's own stupidity and self-destructive tendencies.
    Then Hitler walks???{gets away with his crimes}
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    You can get people to believe anything, as long as you say 'according to quantum mechanics' at the end.
    You are a moron according to quantum mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattandstuff
    Quote Originally Posted by newcastle
    Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said: Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Is the Son Of Man here? Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

    Jesus seals his with this verse: Matthew 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”

    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
    There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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    He didnt lie. First there are many in the Christian community that believe John the apostle is still alive (there is some circumstantial evidence to support this) a more logical view is Christ began his kingdom when he was resurrected.
    He did lie, there are lies everywhere, for instance: Mark.13:[14]"When you see the desolating abomination standing where he should not (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains,

    (15)and a person on a housetop must not go down or enter to get anything out of his house,

    (16)and a person in a field must not return to get his cloak.

    (17)Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days.

    (18)Pray that this does not happen in winter.

    (19)For those times will have tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of God's creation until now, nor ever will be.

    [20]If the Lord had not shortened those days, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect whom he chose, he did shorten the days.

    (21)If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah! Look, there he is!' do not believe it.

    (22)False messiahs and false prophets will arise and will perform signs and wonders in order to mislead, if that were possible, the elect.

    (23)Be watchful! I have told it all to you beforehand.

    (24)"But in those days after that tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,

    (25)and the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

    [26]And then they will see 'the Son of Man coming in the clouds' with great power and glory,

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    The desolation has occurred, and that which stands there is still standing there today (the Mosque). Islam according to Jesus and Mark has desolated the Temple by building upon it with the Mosque (Root of David) and Islam declared that Jesus is not the son of God rather a man/prophet. This event should have triggered the rest of Mark where the Son of Man descends.

    Jesus obviously changed his mind in seeing that the Muslims are way more fanatical about their worship then the little boy lover's of the Catholic Church, lol, which by the way all Christians are secretly Catholics for they all read the Catholic version of the Bible the one edited in 364AD, lol, your gonna have to read the Bible that includes the Book of Enoch like the Ethiopians did.



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