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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    Creation; Any one that has been confined, even for a day can tell you what freedom means.
    Not if their chains were applied so gradually, as to render them unconcious of the fact, until it is too late.

    McCain for instanced as a POW has elaborated on that issue. The general public usually realizes the loss of a freedom, when removed from their control. As a smoker, I can assure you any loss is noticeable.
    A smoker has a physical problem, an addiction. The problem with freedoms lost is more than that.

    When it comes to people willing to run for an office, you are getting involved with patriotism, loyalty to country and a touch of giving back.
    Says you. I detect corruption, lies, and slick palms.


    Some feel power is involved, then usually by an opponent, but I give this little credence, especially when National Office is concerned. The process to the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court are long journeys for any person, as a rule.
    Journeys paid for by others, on a street paved with their gold. A one way street to doing what they are told, or doing what they want in a few areas that matter not at all.

    As discussed someplace, business people who are highly qualified to run and operate multi faceted operations, understand the limitations of the American Government Three Branch system.
    They ought to, they helped put them there.


    Folks that have not, seem to be ignorant, although I am reluctant to say dishonest...
    Ignorant in that way is what is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson
    What you and many suggest, IMO will make health care equal to a slaughter house, where any one who WILL do the job, will somehow become qualified.
    I do not quite understand that last sentence above from your last post?

    What you are saying here is that that sentence is applicable to the current government supported HCS.

    I said that the Naturopathuc doctors would eliminate operations by using natural medicines that would eliminate the need for operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Quote Originally Posted by jackson
    What you and many suggest, IMO will make health care equal to a slaughter house, where any one who WILL do the job, will somehow become qualified.
    I do not quite understand that last sentence above from your last post?

    What you are saying here is that that sentence is applicable to the current government supported HCS.

    I said that the Naturopathuc doctors would eliminate operations by using natural medicines that would eliminate the need for operations.

    Cosmo
    Yes, I guess our system has been somewhat corrupted by government interference in what should be an open market industry. More government and more of the same problems. Get government out of he system all together and you would see price declines, along with quality of service. It has taken years to mess up however...and will take years to correct.

    Government involvement could come from incentives..Example; Lets say as a country we spend 2k dollars on average for each person on Medicare or Medicaid. Allow the person (or family) to choose any doctor or service and the medical field to draw from that account for services at an agreed to price (Dr./Client). At the end of each what is not used, can be used for paying taxes or rebated.

    On your "preventative" understandings, I agree to the point of choice. I would go further, to say a good many people are eating themselves into early deaths. Here again however, its that persons choice. One of my examples on longevity has been the first ten US presidents and the last ten. In both cases life spans were 72-73 years. They all ate meat, most smoked or used some for of tobacco, drank to much and lived under extreme stress for many years of life. I might add, very few were underweight.

    Operations for many things though, will never be stopped for diet change.
    Gun shot wounds, accidents (auto), cancers or most respiratory, even digestive or heart problems are not all from diet. You know, in your particular case, I feel longevity has come from an active mind and possibly some hereditary influences.
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    Creation; I have kept my discussion open with you in hopes your religious training would peek through your gloom and doom thought patterns. Simply stated I find it difficult to believe a person can be so bitter and yet have some faith in a creator or higher power. My efforts have been in vain and I apologies for taking up your time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    Creation; I have kept my discussion open with you in hopes your religious training would peek through your gloom and doom thought patterns. Simply stated I find it difficult to believe a person can be so bitter and yet have some faith in a creator or higher power. My efforts have been in vain and I apologies for taking up your time...
    Being aware of the fruitless wickedness of man, and the US, only leads one to look to a higher power. The doom and gloom around us has an end that way, rather than being some hopeless pattern that we must live with forever.

    I see Obama is close to winning. I guess peace is on people's minds.
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    Creation; You have shown some knowledge of history. You probably know religion itself has caused most of the historical problems the world has seen. In particular from the 15th to 19th centuries. Hundreds of wars were fought over one idea or another and to attempt to force those beliefs on the rest.

    The US people, are taught from childhood, religion has no place in governing and point to our constitution and the previous generations of Americans have tried to lead by example that philosophy. I really don't think you can blame them, for the trouble today around the world, which continue to be fed by religion.

    Our seemingly problems come from allowing (tolerance) of the practice of any view, which quite frankly does NOT seem to be yours....

    On Obama; If he takes the nomination (still don't think will happen) he would still need to defeat McCain, which I feel is even less likely. What I do see and don't like, is a surge in racism. Our black population is voting in record numbers and up to 90% for him. Latinos, which is our largest, so called minority is voting 80% against him, either for Hillary or one of the republicans. Whites over all about 50-50 in the democratic party, probably on the ground swell of anti-Clinton's....

    By the way, as an agnostic, I do not oppose any religion or the practice of that. Many, maybe most, people need something to lean on for any number of reasons. I would rather see religion used, than street gangs, drugs or the influence of the entertainment media. I would say to turn to religion for that acts of others, would seem counter productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    Creation; You have shown some knowledge of history. You probably know religion itself has caused most of the historical problems the world has seen. In particular from the 15th to 19th centuries. Hundreds of wars were fought over one idea or another and to attempt to force those beliefs on the rest.
    I didn't know religion caused Hitler and WW2, or WW1, nor the atomic bombing of Japan. Was it what drove Stalin to murder? How about Lenin? Religion is a thin veneer for greed, or anything else people want to do in it's name.

    The US people, are taught from childhood, religion has no place in governing and point to our constitution and the previous generations of Americans have tried to lead by example that philosophy.

    Then, if they actually believed it, they are sadly mistaken. The Antichrist paganized beliefs are all over the place, and about all that is called religion is those that believe in God.
    I really don't think you can blame them, for the trouble today around the world, which continue to be fed by religion.
    Yes, I can. Traditionally, prayer, and bible were very much a part of the educating there. The unbelieving men sitting in places like the supreme court have no right to take that away, as they have. They are not separating squat, they simply push their religion on others, call it what they will.

    Our seemingly problems come from allowing (tolerance) of the practice of any view, which quite frankly does NOT seem to be yours....
    No, I would vote to stop the killers, not sicking them on the population. The tolerance you speak of did not extend to Christians. Funny that. And don't hand me the stuff about how they should feel lucky that they can still play church, and have their kids molested in the schools.
    On Obama; If he takes the nomination (still don't think will happen) he would still need to defeat McCain, which I feel is even less likely.
    Really? Well, if it is perceived that Obama is for peace, I think he is tuned to the majority pulse.


    What I do see and don't like, is a surge in racism. Our black population is voting in record numbers and up to 90% for him. Latinos, which is our largest, so called minority is voting 80% against him, either for Hillary or one of the republicans. Whites over all about 50-50 in the democratic party, probably on the ground swell of anti-Clinton's....
    Yes, race seems to be a big issue. I think that is Macain's great hope.

    By the way, as an agnostic, I do not oppose any religion or the practice of that. Many, maybe most, people need something to lean on for any number of reasons. I would rather see religion used, than street gangs, drugs or the influence of the entertainment media. I would say to turn to religion for that acts of others, would seem counter productive.
    I wouldn't know, I am not religious.
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    Creation; "Historically" speaking and "most"...most mans inhumanity to his fellow man has been for religious reason....

    Religion; In a country that was formed and inhabited by primarily religious beliefs of its people, you are going to have those voting or participating in that society holding the positions of power. There is no way a person (any person) can separate those thoughts, in order to make a decision, even for atheist or agnostics. Our system however offers a 'check and balance' system, where these feelings if to strong can be over ruled. Even those on the Supreme court can be over ruled by congress, with a simple amendment process.

    I do not know every American, but I have never met one that opposed world peace. McCain heads the list on this topic IMO, wanting to maintain this peace for all people, not just his. There are bad people out there, based on what is good to the majority.

    Your examples continue to reflect very small segments of the American Society and as expressed by some motivated media. You do know, that in most of this worlds society, sex between two people is legal...and there are many examples where no laws exist to begin with, certainly not enforced. Here we tend to over enforce laws, where people of authority are concerned. Said another way your judging a strict society on th basis of others which regard normality/morality on a completely different scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    Creation; "Historically" speaking and "most"...most mans inhumanity to his fellow man has been for religious reason....
    None by lovers of God.

    Religion; In a country that was formed and inhabited by primarily religious beliefs of its people, you are going to have those voting or participating in that society holding the positions of power. There is no way a person (any person) can separate those thoughts, in order to make a decision, even for atheist or agnostics. Our system however offers a 'check and balance' system, where these feelings if to strong can be over ruled. Even those on the Supreme court can be over ruled by congress, with a simple amendment process.
    Seems like someone writes a check, to balance the opinion of those in power!

    I do not know every American, but I have never met one that opposed world peace. McCain heads the list on this topic IMO, wanting to maintain this peace for all people, not just his. There are bad people out there, based on what is good to the majority.
    Maintain??? I think you would need some first, to be able to maintain it.

    Your examples continue to reflect very small segments of the American Society and as expressed by some motivated media. You do know, that in most of this worlds society, sex between two people is legal...
    That can be a good thing, for example, when normal sex is no longer accepted as normal.


    and there are many examples where no laws exist to begin with, certainly not enforced. Here we tend to over enforce laws, where people of authority are concerned.
    Right, like marijuana laws, the prisons are full of people. I hear home schooling is illegal in CA now, despite former rulings that it is constitutional. Maybe they'll get them in there to. Add some people that refuse to fight an unjust war, and you can have your 'enforcement'.
    Said another way your judging a strict society on th basis of others which regard normality/morality on a completely different scale.
    Right, such are pagan nations judged, on a scale that they don't accept.

    But what any of this has to do with US elections, I think is near forgotten.

    My original point, I think was that the people were against the iraq war, and that would show up in the people that win.
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    [quote="creation"]
    ]Right, like marijuana laws, the prisons are full of people. I hear home schooling is illegal in CA now, despite former rulings that it is constitutional. Maybe they'll get them in there to. Add some people that refuse to fight an unjust war, and you can have your 'enforcement'.
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    One more time...The USA is a 'Union' of 50 States. Each State has its own Constitution and set of laws. They are limited to only what is covered by that US Constitution and Federal Laws. The Supreme Court, occasionally does rule on 'rights of individuals' based on amendments which are the foundation of our protection from ALL government.

    California and 19 other States, have had no oversight or restrictions to 'Home Schooling'. States do have the right of oversight, but not to making it illegal. For instance, Joe Blow, a third grade drop out and just home from a five year stretch in some prison for child endangerment, should not qualify to teach his kids, at least to most rational people. (This is basically why, California Courts have stepped in on one LA Case, where a parent of 7 kids was teaching in the day and alleged to being abusive at night). California will end up with some to high degree of oversight, but cannot abolish the practice arbitrarily. By the way the other 30 States already have strict to very strict regulations...

    You have also mentioned Marijuana or drug laws. Here Federal Law is quite clear on trafficking and distribution. Generally only gets involved when two or more States are involved. Then for usage, its kind of a guilt by association or using a substance which has been illegally placed into products used by the public (the purchase is illegal). This is probably why California and six other States have allowed controlled selling of Marijuana and all states allow several otherwise illegal drugs to be used in he medical fields, are not being contested by the Justice Department. Enforcement is even more local, where in SF likely no one is in jail for usage and in small town, bible belt many get into trouble. None in federal prisons are for usage and the numbers are dropping in most states.

    Service in ALL Military Branches has been voluntary for over 30 years. In entering, even as a Reserve (meaning stand-by) the person takes an oath, to serve his/her country, implying the Commander In Chief. For obvious reasons, the Military Code Of Justice, is NOT a democratic system and is restrictive to personal rights. Any person can object to deployment, legally for a number of reasons, however the people in charge are NOT obligated to defer or change that deployment.

    I have offered the above, in response to your post and comments. It will be my last on this thread, but will encourage you to start your own thread on any of the subjects which give you problems, with Americans.

    ON THE ELECTION; If McCain wins the November National Election, it does not mean anyone favors/or does not, the current war or any in the future. I have to believe, if Obama wins, it will be for other than Iraq, OBL or security reasons. There are rumors floating around Universities, on the Internet and in some alternative media, that a draft is coming, which would influence a very few people, born in this country or not. If a draft is ever needed, my country will have already made the wrong political choice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackson33
    On Obama; If he takes the nomination (still don't think will happen) he would still need to defeat McCain, which I feel is even less likely. What I do see and don't like, is a surge in racism. Our black population is voting in record numbers and up to 90% for him. Latinos, which is our largest, so called minority is voting 80% against him, either for Hillary or one of the republicans. Whites over all about 50-50 in the democratic party, probably on the ground swell of anti-Clinton's.....
    Rumours seem to be percolating through the internet news outlets, that Obama has wrapped up the democratic nomination. I am curious for your thoughts on this, since you have made an excellent case for Clinton cinching that nomination. What has led to the surprising (if it is surprising) turn of events that has led to an Obama nomination? Could those events, in your estimation, also lead to an Obama victory in the general election?
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    The power base of the Democrat Party, seems to be in fear of internal rebellion. Minority groups, not only black, have relied on their party for a means to communicate, vote in like minded representation and get advocates and judges into the legal system. All these groups combined and apparently a large part of the 'Obama' phenomonon, would likely revolt, if the perception of 'denial' is percieved to his canadecy.

    Having said that; There is something going on in the 'Clinton' camp. More than possible, its a simple play for power in the future of her party, with her future and possibly Mr. Clinton's role. This would include who runs the National Commitee, VP or selections of certain staff members. The off shoot of this of course, the 2012 cycle. Another possibility would be, an awakening of the public, to just who he is and what he represents. Aside from being 'rated' the most liberal member of Congress, his Illinois State house votes, are far more liberal, bordering on trashing the Constitution.

    As for the November general election; McCain/Obama, it is difficult to imagine a Obama victory. Republicans are not going to vote for Obama, where woman/young/independants, some would have voted for Clinton. Blacks, anti war folks, activist groups will be the total base, with the remainder understanding this voting against them, if not Obama. I would guess a popular vote and electoral count somewhere around 55-45 and 65-35 for McCain, which IMO will still end up being a dividing factor of the American people or not a good thing. I need to add; The American people are in fact seeking change and the younger population is always concerned with the future. They would elect any qualified minority person, man or woman as a collective society, however IMO, Obama is the wrong person or messanger, at least today, for that end result.
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