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    Coming from the angle of a floating voter, I'd like to know why this political party has had more than its fair share of sleaze and scandal.

    https://www.studysmarter.co.uk/expla...-and-scandals/

    Happened again now with my local MP not paying his taxes when he was the Chancellor, no less.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-64373990


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    Conservative party sleaze is not limited to the U.K. Just look at what is playing out in Israel. Netanyahu is himself on trial for crimes, and he just fired one of his cronies when their Supreme Court ordered him out of government for past convictions. Netanyahu is even trying to stop the trials against him and allow for the legislature to over-rule their Supreme Court. There is a long list of these people in various countries.

    The U.S. conservatives, sometimes known as the Gangsters Of Politics (GOP) have many criminals, and those just dating back to Nixon and Agnew. Reagan sold weapons to our enemies (Iran) and circumvented Congress to kill thousands in Central America (Iran-Contra). Then there were all the lies and crimes of Bush-Cheney on WMD, etc., etc. And now we are getting a front row seat on all the crimes of Trump and cohorts. It seems a matter of a false, deeply ingrained entitlement which allows these people to think the laws only apply to others, or they make them up as they go along. Conservatives commit some of the most horrific of crimes since they are the heart of a country's government. The courts need to put these people in jail, but in many cases the judges are complicit as well. What are you going to do..........


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    Tar-a-Ri (Irish for 'Come on the king') appears to be the origin of the name Tory.
    Yet some people think it's all to do with them being outlaws or even horse thieves and it's in their DNA to act like they do.
    Many vote Tory because they have money and power. Applies to poor people as well as rich.

    As a relatively poor person, how much would I get fined for not wearing a seat belt? 100.
    How much has Sunak been fined (reported wealth 730,000,000) for the same offence? 100.
    Most comes from his wife and until recently she didn't pay taxes in the UK.
    Taxes are for the little people. Tax lawyers assist tax avoidance.

    IMO the Tories are not there to benefit society. In most cases they have real wealth, and all that's left for them is to play a game called politics.
    I imagine this also applies to American politics. Trump was also playing the same game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    IMO the Tories are not there to benefit society. In most cases they have real wealth, and all that's left for them is to play a game called politics.
    I imagine this also applies to American politics. Trump was also playing the same game.
    It seems they must play this game of politics in order to dictate how they are taxed (or not) and how they can make more money from government expenditures (for starters).

    Having wealth requires control of the levers of power so that the little people don't get too uppity and insist on a level playing field. Controlling the courts is often a major aspect of this power base.

    Tipping the scales in their favor must be fundamental to their principles of total control. There are varying degrees on how much this will be tolerated by the little people.

    And control of voting, a great sport in the U.S. with voter suppression and fake news, etc. is a major player, like never before.
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    Despite the questionable ethics of the Con party, people do vote for them.
    They also know older people are more likely to vote Tory, and the older generation is growing.
    So the debate now is whether to increase the retirement age to 68 or more.
    Keeping it where it is would be the biggest vote winner of all.
    I imagine this is the similar in the US.
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    Zahawi now been sacked for not paying his taxes when he was the chancellor.
    But only sacked from the Tory Chair.
    Britain now a plutocracy, a state governed by the wealthy.

    You don't get rich by paying your taxes.
    How many more out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Despite the questionable ethics of the Con party, people do vote for them.
    They also know older people are more likely to vote Tory, and the older generation is growing.
    So the debate now is whether to increase the retirement age to 68 or more.
    Keeping it where it is would be the biggest vote winner of all.
    I imagine this is the similar in the US.
    The US is getting older, and the old-timers used to vote mostly conservative, but that is shifting with the extremism.

    The GOP is talking about sun-setting social programs, doing away with things seniors rely on. It appears they are out of touch with their primary base of old folks.

    The Dems will kill them on this since they have footage of these crazies talking it up like it is critical to debt reduction. This after all their tax cuts for you-know-who.

    Taxing those who can most afford it will be a big item in the next election after all the inflation and attempts by the GOP to cut off their benefits. Bring it on!
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