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  1. #1 Denunciations : From the Religious to the Political! 
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    Most of us are familiar with the Christian inquisitions. Denunciations played a large role in those times, where the "true believers" could denounce anyone for things like blasphemy, adultery etc. Many were done anonymously, and often led to severe punishment.

    A new form of denunciation is playing out in Russia, as reported by Radio Free Europe*. Anyone "criticizing" the state can find themselves denounced by students, friends, and even relatives. It is a way of ensuring that the Kremlin's position on all aspects of the war in Ukraine is told by its narrative, and no other.

    Unless the people of Russia learn the truth about the war in Ukraine, it seems likely that a shift in this struggle will be difficult to attain.


    "Soviet-Style Denunciations On The Rise As Russian Society Confronts Ukraine War"

    * https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-denun.../31793081.html


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    Type of point made by Carl Sagan in his book The Demon Haunted World (science as a candle in the dark).

    One cult still condemns as sorcery the practices of another.

    However science can't be of much use because it's being snuffed out as a candle in the dark.


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    Putin's objective seems to become Stalin II. Unless the generals take him out. Stalin used starvation to kill 3.9 million Ukrainians in the 1930's. How many will Putin kill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman View Post
    Putin's objective seems to become Stalin II. Unless the generals take him out. Stalin used starvation to kill 3.9 million Ukrainians in the 1930's. How many will Putin kill?
    Yes, the monster Stalin was very good at killing lots of people with little effort. It was one of the things Hitler found admirable in Stalin. Known as the Holodomor (1), aka the "Famine Terror" from 1932 to 1933, it was actually used in many parts of the Soviet Union. Because Ukraine had so much fertile land and produced so much food and related products, they suffered enormously from the Kremlin-induced famine.

    And then Hitler got into the act after invading in 1941, instituting the "Hunger Plan" (2), hatched by Herbert Backe, one of his SS bureaucrats. The plan was simple - remove nearly all available food from Ukraine and surrounding areas and send it back to Germany for distribution to civilians and the military. It is estimated that 4 million perished under the Hunger Plan, mostly in Ukraine.

    They are not getting much of a break from these activities. Of course the Nazis killed using more than just hunger. Any means of taking away human life was used. And that seems to be the Russian plan for Ukraine today. But this time, a lot of the Russians are being killed also. Perhaps if enough of them go home in boxes, their relatives will start understanding that this is not just a "special military operation."

    It seems unlikely Putiin will be able to hide the true results from the Russian people indefinitely. Clearly many are brainwashed into believing anything the Kremlin tells them, but there is a considerable number of Russians who are not buying into it. When all the sanctions start eating into their previous life style, which was vastly superior to where it is going, more and more questions will be asked. And many will not like the answers. They will start to wonder why most of the world is so anti-Russia.

    What they can do about it remains to be seen.


    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor


    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
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    Isn't this a clash of political systems?
    In the blue corner is democracy, in the red corner is Putinism, a system which thinks democracy is weak.
    Which is the most Darwinian? Not democracy where the ignorant little people don't even know what they are voting for.
    Could it even be part of some grand plan to depopulate the planet?
    The sustainable global human population given the Earth's resources may be as little as 2 billion, which means big wars have to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Isn't this a clash of political systems?
    In the blue corner is democracy, in the red corner is Putinism, a system which thinks democracy is weak.
    Which is the most Darwinian? Not democracy where the ignorant little people don't even know what they are voting for.
    Could it even be part of some grand plan to depopulate the planet?
    The sustainable global human population given the Earth's resources may be as little as 2 billion, which means big wars have to come.
    It seems unlikely there is a grand plan for depopulation. But there is little doubt it will happen.

    The bigger question might be which form of government dominates. Totalitarian forms seem likely to do so, which is what Russia and China are banking on. Looks like a case for a rework of 1984.

    True information is the only thing which can maintain democracies, and this is getting harder to trust.

    Environmental degradation will also lead to depopulation, and will probably be the primary cause.
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