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  1. #1 The end of modern civilization is near? 
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    How likely do you think is it, that majority of modern Western countries will radically change in the next 50-100 years and will start to resumble, most likely, modern South African Republic? If yes, could we talk about the end of modern or at least "Western" type of civilization as we know it? Will modern type of Capitalism survive or will it degrade to some types of feudalism?


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    Why South African Republic?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman View Post
    Why South African Republic?
    In this country majority of people are connected to agriculture (or minerals extraction). All Western countries have low fertility rates and maintain stable population or even population growth only because of immigrants, majority of whom arrive from the countries with predominantly agricultural type of civilization. In entire World exists general firm and stable tendency according to which the more educated people are, the fewer children they have. I think if we want to change that devastating tendency, current system requires some major if not total modifications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    How likely do you think is it, that majority of modern Western countries will radically change in the next 50-100 years and will start to resumble, most likely, modern South African Republic? If yes, could we talk about the end of modern or at least "Western" type of civilization as we know it? Will modern type of Capitalism survive or will it degrade to some types of feudalism?
    Why do you feel that "western civilization" is degrading?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Why do you feel that "western civilization" is degrading?
    There are many reports that an average IQ scores in many, if not all Western countries are quickly falling.
    Technology Is On The Rise, While IQ Is On The Decline (forbes.com)
    Also I think that general stagnation in the most of the life fields is quite obvious for every person over 40.
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    I think that in the best case Western countries will maintain relative social stability for a quite a while yet. But shouldn't normal civilization think at least about 50-100 years in the future?

    There was time when South Africa was regarded as a part of Western civilization. Now its former president does have a several wives and ignores accusations in corruption. Could it be a signs of the future feudalism and the model for other Western countries?
    Just over a week after the Polokwane conference, the NPA reinstated charges against Zuma, serving him an indictment to stand trial on 12 fraud charges, two corruption charges, and one charge each of racketeering and money laundering.
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    Complaints against Zuma range from the former leader's lavish spending of state funds, to delegating contracts based on nepotism and businesses with familial connections or close ties benefiting through their association with him.
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    Other good example is Mexico (as a future model country):
    Transparency International's 2019 Corruption Perceptions Index ranks the country 130th place out of 180 countries.
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    ButI like a bit of Western decadence and corruption.
    You won't find it in Russia and China.
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    What human civilization will face in 50-100 years is a serious slowdown and after that almost complete halt of scientific and technical progress. If present demographic trends will continue unchanged. Slowdown is underway already. It will turn entire World into a corrupted, agrarian based civilization.
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