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    Appears that he's got away with it again.
    I need help to understand how.
    It was supposed to be one more strike and he's out.
    Is it something to do with how he divides his own party?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Appears that he's got away with it again.
    I need help to understand how.
    It was supposed to be one more strike and he's out.
    Is it something to do with how he divides his own party?
    Unless it is blatantly criminal, it is all political. That is where the answer usually resides.

    What is his public support, and what is his party's support level?

    These things will usually tell about what is going on.

    Apathy of the masses is not an uncommon reason for politicians sliding by.


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    I don't think we would see the Prime Minister continually saying we should wait for the results of the inquiry, if he wasn't completely sure that the hand-picked civil servant in charge will exonerate him.

    What does a government do when it's in trouble? Hold a public enquiry, magically, all the facts of the case become irrelevant and only whether the inquiry finds wrong doing seems to matter, yet such inquiries rarely find wrong doing, and it's almost unheard of for them to find that a Prime Minister has transgressed.

    Yet the facts remain, everybody in the country now knows what happened over this incident, if the Prime Minister doesn't face any consequences, I think we'll be seeing an even bigger scandal brewing. That of the government enacting laws for the public that they were deliberately, not subject to. This will only serve to infuriate the public more, at the moment the PM stands accused of ignoring the rules that everybody else had to obey, under penalty of criminal sanction. If it turns out that the government deliberately created laws they didn't have to follow, that truly will mean one law for them and another for the rest us of.

    Today in Prime Minister's Questions I would have liked the PM to have been asked, if all the Covid laws that applied to us also applied to government, and also asked if there was anything else related to Covid rule breaking that the public were not yet aware of.

    The PM has previously denied there were any parties, then changed his story to claim if there were, he was not told about them, despite being in his house and garden whilst he was there, now he's saying he actually attended one. So, I suspect there could be far more yet that the PM isn't telling us.

    Regardless, despite the calls from every opposition leader today for him to resign, the PM seems determined to cling onto power for as long as possible, despite doing huge damage to the Conservative brand and preventing them from moving on or doing any sort of damage control whilst he's stuck at the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Today in Prime Minister's Questions I would have liked the PM to have been asked, if all the Covid laws that applied to us also applied to government
    I can't think of a time when a question like that was ever asked. The whole House always mark their own homework. A member of the public maybe should be allowed to ask that sort of question from the gallery.
    Johnson will try to ride out the storm just like his hero Churchill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Today in Prime Minister's Questions I would have liked the PM to have been asked, if all the Covid laws that applied to us also applied to government
    I can't think of a time when a question like that was ever asked. The whole House always mark their own homework. A member of the public maybe should be allowed to ask that sort of question from the gallery.
    Johnson will try to ride out the storm just like his hero Churchill.
    Know nothing about Johnson. Is he an alcoholic? Maybe he needs help, AA. Somebody roll him a doobie if he agrees to lay off the sauce. He might like it. Makes you wonder how many govt decisions worldwide are made with politicians half in the bag? Boris’ biggest problem is getting caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Johnson will try to ride out the storm just like his hero Churchill.
    Based on the most recent polling in the U.K., Johnson may be exiting sooner than later.

    The iNews reports today that the Tories are slumping badly*. And this was before Johnson's apology about his "party time" activities.

    Quoting from the article* :

    "A survey for The Times by YouGov, which was carried out before Mr Johnson’s apology at PMQs, put Labour at a 10-point lead ahead of the Tories for the first time in nearly a decade."

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    Ox, what is your reference to Winston Churchill? He was only PM during the war years (1940 – 1945) and I always thought he was the U.K.'s favorite PM in those times, especially after Chamberlain's fiasco in Munich. Understand they gave him the boot right after the war, but do not recall any problems for him during his term.


    " Tories slump to lowest poll rating against Labour since 2013 but minister says PM can win next election"

    * https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/bo...labour-1398170
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    Although, after the second world war ended Churchill lost the election to Clement Attlee, he reversed the result to be re-elected Prime Minster in 1951 with a 17-seat majority in a closely contested election. These two men would turn out to be the best Prime Ministers in British history, for different reasons.

    Churchill is perhaps rightly regarded as the greatest Britain, without his intervention who knows what the Nazi war machine could have gone on to achieve, especially if they'd developed the atomic bomb and combined it with their rocket technology.
    Clement Attlee by contrast was perhaps the greatest ever peace time Prime Minister, he left a socialist legacy of a welfare state & social safety net that includes the National Health Service.

    Boris Johnson may limp on for a while longer, though I don't think he's worthy to be mentioned alongside the men named above, that's for sure. But to give the man his dues, I don't think he is an alcoholic, though his poor judgement, lack of honesty and perhaps Dominic Cummings continuing to leak misdeeds to the press could eventually be his downfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Churchill is perhaps rightly regarded as the greatest Britain, without his intervention who knows what the Nazi war machine could have gone on to achieve, especially if they'd developed the atomic bomb and combined it with their rocket technology.
    Agreed. Churchill was a man for the time, determined to defeat the Nazis whatever the cost. I understand he had plans to use poison gas on the English beaches if Operation Sea Lion went forward. Lucky for both sides the RAF decided that matter, very definitively.

    Also, he was the most adamant of Western leaders about the threat posed by Stalin, all during the war, and after. History provides the evidence of that threat. I recall he made a tour of the U.S. shortly after he left office in 1946 where he first used the term "Iron Curtain". It became a powerful symbol of what the West was up against, and likely had a profound impact on all free societies.

    Churchill was certainly a great leader.

    Still would like to hear from Ox on this one. He often has a unique angle on things.
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    From the Churchill factor to Johnson factor.

    Churchill by his own admission got more out of alcohol than it did out of him.
    Johnson encourages bring your own booze parties and thinks he can do the same.

    Churchill wrote a history of the British Empire (English speaking peoples).
    Johnson has written a book called The Churchill Factor.

    Johnson is Homeric legend and the Bullingdon Club.
    Who there has not trashed a restaurant and been found paralytic in the gutter afterwards.

    Churchill called Attlee a modest little man with not much to be modest about.
    If Sunak replaces Johnson, he'd better watch out too. He's only 5'5".

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llying-culture
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Johnson is Homeric legend and the Bullingdon Club.
    Who there has not trashed a restaurant and been found paralytic in the gutter afterwards.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...llying-culture
    Had never heard of the Bullingdon Club. What a circus of self-serving elitists. Little wonder there is concern over Johnson's reliability to play by the rules. It would appear he ever has!

    Quoting from the above link:

    "The woman who recruited members in Oxford in the 1980s said that she was horrified at the prospect of Johnson becoming prime minister.

    “The characteristics he displayed at Oxford – entitlement, aggression, amorality, lack of concern for others – are still there, dressed up in a contrived, jovial image. It’s a mask to sanitise some ugly features.”"

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    One should be surprised if he was not having problems of a self-inflicted nature. Not exactly what most would want for a leader of such an important and influential country as the U.K.

    At least Churchill was a functional alcoholic, with some hall-of-fame accomplishments to his credit.

    It appears history will not be so kind to Johnson.

    “Buller, Buller, Buller”!!
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