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    The old Brexit thread
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    seems to have gone belly up(gremlins in the system)
    Maybe any continuation could take place here.


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    Recent news - Johnson has at least 6 children.


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    Yes,I heard that.I don't know the details but it isn't a very good look .
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    At this point is doesn't matter whether you were for or against Brexit, because I don't know a single Brexit supporter who voted for National Insurance tax rises costing us thousands every year, or half empty supermarkets and certainly not for not being able to buy petrol for to fill up your car because the government have failed to provide visas for tanker drivers. This is all on the Conservative government which has to truly be the worst in living memory. Stop talking about Brexit and sort this mess out!
    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    At this point is doesn't matter whether you were for or against Brexit, because I don't know a single Brexit supporter who voted for National Insurance tax rises costing us thousands every year, or half empty supermarkets and certainly not for not being able to buy petrol for to fill up your car because the government have failed to provide visas for tanker drivers. This is all on the Conservative government which has to truly be the worst in living memory. Stop talking about Brexit and sort this mess out!
    Unfortunately it is Brexit that has partly caused it and is making it harder to resolve. The government has until yesterday refused to issue visas, because it is part of their Brexit ideology that we must use British labour for all the occupations that have been staffed partly by continental Europeans for the last 20 years or more.

    Nobody has given a moment's thought to all the things that have to change (wages, conditions of work, personal aspirations, resulting prices of goods, etc) before Brits will fill these jobs, even if there are enough employable Brits to do them, which I doubt.

    Labour is not holding them to account because they are scared of blaming Brexit, which so many of their target voters voted for! But they need to grasp the nettle and do it. All it needs is a commitment to implement Brexit in a sensible and not in a self-harming way.
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    Is it implicit in the course that has been chosen that there are going to be economic and social reverses to pay for the "independence" that is such a vote winner and such an easy idea to grasp?

    I believe that at the end of his life the mighty Adolf blamed the German nation for not being worthy of his vision....

    Will the little Englanders be forced to pay for their choice? **(I see the Scottish mud gard has not come off yet but we shall see...is it going to come off in any event?

    **Edit: ie force everyone to pay
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    At this point is doesn't matter whether you were for or against Brexit, because I don't know a single Brexit supporter who voted for National Insurance tax rises costing us thousands every year, or half empty supermarkets and certainly not for not being able to buy petrol for to fill up your car because the government have failed to provide visas for tanker drivers. This is all on the Conservative government which has to truly be the worst in living memory. Stop talking about Brexit and sort this mess out!
    Unfortunately it is Brexit that has partly caused it and is making it harder to resolve. The government has until yesterday refused to issue visas, because it is part of their Brexit ideology that we must use British labour for all the occupations that have been staffed partly by continental Europeans for the last 20 years or more.

    Nobody has given a moment's thought to all the things that have to change (wages, conditions of work, personal aspirations, resulting prices of goods, etc) before Brits will fill these jobs, even if there are enough employable Brits to do them, which I doubt.

    Labour is not holding them to account because they are scared of blaming Brexit, which so many of their target voters voted for! But they need to grasp the nettle and do it. All it needs is a commitment to implement Brexit in a sensible and not in a self-harming way.
    Seems like another half-hearted effort coming too late. Temporary visas due to expire at Christmas don't appear to be the best solution.

    The government isn't reading the room, people want some semblance of normality not more Brexit ideology rammed down their throat.

    Brexit has been toxic for Labour but they've a bigger issue to contend with before they can truly hold government to account. Sir Keir Starmer doesn't behave like a modern politician.
    He's relying too much on being a consummate professional, just expecting voters will recognise he is far more capable than Johnson, without actually selling himself.

    Unless something significant changes, or perhaps Dominic Raab replaces Boris Johnson as Conservative leader, Labour may struggle to win the next election and we could face several more years of Brexit minded politicians, running/ruining the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Is it implicit in the course that has been chosen that there are going to be economic and social reverses to pay for the "independence" that is such a vote winner and such an easy idea to grasp?

    I believe that at the end of his life the mighty Adolf blamed the German nation for not being worthy of his vision....

    Will the little Englanders be forced to pay for their choice? **(I see the Scottish mud gard has not come off yet but we shall see...is it going to come off in any event?

    **Edit: ie force everyone to pay

    For all that Brexit has done to divide us, facing the pandemic has brought us back together in so many ways. So yes there are consequences of Brexit both socially and economically, but we'll
    all end up paying for them one way or another, but that's how it should be, back as one nation fixing our mistakes & problems together, the way we always should have done.
    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Is it implicit in the course that has been chosen that there are going to be economic and social reverses to pay for the "independence" that is such a vote winner and such an easy idea to grasp?

    I believe that at the end of his life the mighty Adolf blamed the German nation for not being worthy of his vision....

    Will the little Englanders be forced to pay for their choice? **(I see the Scottish mud gard has not come off yet but we shall see...is it going to come off in any event?

    **Edit: ie force everyone to pay
    Yes I think people will get poorer, one way or another, apart from those that decide to get a job in one of these undermanned occupations. There must be a redistribution in favour of these occupations or they simply won't get filled. The question will be how evenly the pain is spread. If goods just become more expensive, that affects everyone who buys them. If that causes inflation, it is savers who will pay.

    That might suit the government nicely, since we have a humungous national debt to reduce, and inflation does the job nicely, at the expense of people's savings. I'm already seeing signs of the Bank of England underestimating inflation - and dragging its feet to respond to the inflation it acknowledges will occur. I suspect the BoE is having its arm twisted in some way by the Treasury to let a bit of inflation take the edge off the debt - and certainly to avoid putting up interest rates, since that would make servicing the debt even harder than it is already.

    But it's back to the 70s, just as the Brexshitters wanted: shortages, inflation, lack of choice in the shops. Perfect.
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    Good magazine cover doing the rounds today. See New European website and scroll down:

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk
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    Was this the one?
    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/#main

    When queueing at the fool station merely blame it on Brexit.

    More likely young people do not want to drive heavy goods vehicles these days.
    This is a problem that should have been tackled way before the Brexit vote.
    It was a disaster waiting to happen.
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    Great quote on Twitter from LBC presenter Nick Abbot, (who is always well worth listening to btw).

    "It's such a tempting offer - come back to a country that's been yelling at you to go back to where you came from for 5 years in order to help those same people out of a jam and then be forced out on Christmas Eve because that country still doesn't want you."

    https://twitter.com/NIAbbot/status/1...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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