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    I think that govts (at least in developed enough countries) have to allocate huge funds to develop anti-aging medications and therapies to combat aging as soon as possible and make such medications basically free of cost for every citizen, because everyone has the right for the very existence. There are a lot of fund-draining programs which are far less important. Also some wide political movement could be created and large folk private funds as well. What do you think about this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    I think that govts (at least in developed enough countries) have to allocate huge funds to develop anti-aging medications and therapies to combat aging as soon as possible and make such medications basically free of cost for every citizen, because everyone has the right for the very existence. There are a lot of fund-draining programs which are far less important. Also some wide political movement could be created and large folk private funds as well. What do you think about this?
    A bit sizeist. What about small folk? Have we not also a right to immortality?

    Well ,OK so long as Trump is not allowed to get his tiny little hands on any of these exclusive medications.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    I think that govts (at least in developed enough countries) have to allocate huge funds to develop anti-aging medications and therapies to combat aging as soon as possible and make such medications basically free of cost for every citizen, because everyone has the right for the very existence. There are a lot of fund-draining programs which are far less important. Also some wide political movement could be created and large folk private funds as well. What do you think about this?
    Problem: There is no known theory to begin such a program, as far as I know.
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    Send now for your telomere kit.

    https://store.revgenetics.com/produc...iABEgIHvfD_BwE

    Longer telomeres mean longer life.
    Errmmm...BS
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    Send now for your telomere kit.
    I didn't read any medication of that kind would be clinically proved. Could you give me a link? I would prefer to consult a doctor first. We know there are some vertebrates like turtles which could live over 250 years. This is just a question of genetics and biochemistry. Probably we need many more researchers who would search for genes associated with aging and learn how it's possible to correct them. Also regarding cryonics. For now this is a field of private companies. But as they are private there is no guaranties they cannot go bankrupt any time. I think that governments have to provide guaranties in that field and even better create some state companies in that field which can never legally get bankrupt. Also there has to be a law that all the brains and people frozen in liquid nitrogen have to be brought back to life (when such methods will be developed) at the govt. expense. I think that even when aging will be defeated people still will continue to die because of different reasons. Therefore the ultimate solution to this problem in the distant future could be creation of some Solaris-like Solaris (novel) - Wikipedia world wide system in which all the human brains will be somehow fused together and distributed all over the Earth in a cloud-like system Cloud computing - Wikipedia. But we could start to work on a theory at least, right now.
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    The theory is that if you can help prevent damage to your telomeres then the chromosomes in your cells will be less damaged.
    Ref: The Telomere Effect by Elizabeth Blackburn.
    The book does not suggest that you can send off for a bottle of telomerase.
    It does suggest based on studies that yoga, tai chi, meditation and qigong if practiced regularly can help with the body's own production of telomerase.
    She gives a special mention to qigong, presumably because it's easy to do.

    However there is a big problem and it relates to the entropy of the body.
    You would need to move your body from a state of low to higher entropy.
    I'd describe this as trying to contort you body into as many different poses as possible. These include twists and stretches.
    If the body can then return to its original shape without injury, that is progress.

    So the Greenland shark with no bones and capable of twisting and turning with ease can live up to 500 years.
    Humans with bones can't live much beyond 100 years.

    Don't consider that hard exercise will benefit you because in time it will only stiffen up the body.

    As for what the future might hold then it appears from climate change and the pandemic we have gone beyond the maximum human population.
    If people are going to live up to 150 and beyond then we'll need another planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post

    1) So the Greenland shark with no bones and capable of twisting and turning with ease can live up to 500 years. Humans with bones can't live much beyond 100 years.

    2) If people are going to live up to 150 and beyond then we'll need another planet.
    1) Turtles can live over 250 years and they have bones.

    2) Why so? Colonization of space isn't bad and inevitable, but why do you think it would be necessary? Not all the countries on Earth are overpopulated. If Canadians, for example, will never grow old and will stop immigration, population would get stable for a while. If some person agrees to refuse from children in exchange for immortality, why he/she cannot do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    1) Turtles can live over 250 years and they have bones.

    Very rarely. More like 30-80 years.
    They have only about one quarter of the number of bones humans have and most are in the shell.


    Colonization of space isn't bad and inevitable, but why do you think it would be necessary? Not all the countries on Earth are overpopulated. If Canadians, for example, will never grow old and will stop immigration, population would get stable for a while. If some person agrees to refuse from children in exchange for immortality, why he/she cannot do that?
    You miss the point about the entropy of the body.
    Energy always has a tendency to disperse and the human body does not have a mechanism to prevent this or slow it down.
    That's why the brain becomes scrambled, bones become brittle, muscle mass declines, nerves fray as we grow older.
    We cannot beat this and we are certain to lose.

    If you want to live to 150+ then how long are you prepared to work?
    If the average age of the population reaches 80, then older people could be culled as there will be too many mouths to feed.
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    If I had aged a 100 years with the body of a healthy 25 year old then I would have also ran the gauntlet of many other causes of death. To age that far without dying from some accidental or natural cause is good luck and I suspect that with every year I grow older, the odds of me dying increase....just won’t be old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    If I had aged a 100 years with the body of a healthy 25 year old then I would have also ran the gauntlet of many other causes of death. To age that far without dying from some accidental or natural cause is good luck and I suspect that with every year I grow older, the odds of me dying increase....just won’t be old age.
    We could sterilize the planet (and the cosmic pathways) and put in train an AI monitored traffic system with ER's strategically situated along the motorways...

    Suicide therapy on offer (well mandatory under pain of identity cancellation)

    Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    If I had aged a 100 years with the body of a healthy 25 year old then I would have also ran the gauntlet of many other causes of death. To age that far without dying from some accidental or natural cause is good luck and I suspect that with every year I grow older, the odds of me dying increase....just won’t be old age.
    A technologies could be developed not only to prevent aging, but to make our bodies much stronger, invulnerable, regenerative. It would work like a constant upgrade. The ultimate solution would be creation of a planetary size brain with help of genetic engineering, and storing everyone's personality on this superbrain. Human bodies may work as an avatars if they will be needed at all. If a body-avatar is killed, then personality is not and a new body-avatar is cloned/created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    A technologies could be developed not only to prevent aging, but to make our bodies much stronger, invulnerable, regenerative. It would work like a constant upgrade.
    So we've gone from medications to cyborgs.
    Somehow our brains will be in robots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    technologies could be developed not only to prevent aging, If a body-avatar is killed, then personality is not .
    Killing is definitely anti-ageing. So this thread is about the personality? The avatar would have a personality that grows old until body, whatever that may be composed of, is killed. Pretty much the end of humanity as we know it today if we should all require an avatar. Demise of humanity would end the biological ageing process for the species I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    The avatar would have a personality that grows old until body
    All human personalities could be stored on the planetary superbrain like computer programs on the server. Superbrain could be designed never grow old and neither the avatars. Avatar is not a personality carrier. It is just a dumb body which is steered from the server. Your personality will reside on the server permanently, but rule an avatar from the distance.

    It will be a shame if the modern generation of people cannot survive only a few decades until the victory over old age and practical immortality.

    I think any anti-aging R&D costs will pay off because if people will stop to grow old, much less money for pensions, kinder-gardens and senior medications will be needed.
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