https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52164589
Some good news at last:)
Starmer cannot be any worse than Corbyn
Some said Corbyn was a decent man but he could have shown his decency by resigning at the outset.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-52164589
Some good news at last:)
Starmer cannot be any worse than Corbyn
Some said Corbyn was a decent man but he could have shown his decency by resigning at the outset.
You had me worried there for a moment.
But I can imagine a cartoon of Death and Corbyn facing each other with Death bored to, well ... death, while Corbyn is saying "... and you have to understand the whole concept of this mortal life in terms of the dialectical struggle between materialism and history, after all as Marx said in the 4th volume of Das Kapital ..."
Hopefully his fan club can stand down now. (although I wouldn't get on board with knee jerk detraction -when he was relevant)Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange
I pictured him a bit like a rabbit in the headlights trying to justify its existence.
From a conservative point of view, Corbyn did a sterling job, by demising the Labour party.
The problem Starmer has, he can't think on his feet, he needs to prepare and hence why he's hopeless at PMQ time.
Very funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sore Knee
I very much like & respect Sir Keir Starmer, in my view he's doing an excellent job as Labour Leader, PMQs is a regular mauling for the PM. Though I do think it has be acknowledged that the true contribution of Jeremy Corbyn was a massive expansion of the Labour Party Membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sore Knee
The last full year of Ed Miliband as Labour leader before Jeremy Corbyn took over, Labour Party Membership stood at around 193,000, very close to today's figure of 191,000 members of the Conservative Party.
Today's Labour Party Membership is around 496,000 members, so as leader Mr Corbyn added over 300,000 new members to the Labour Party and for whatever anybody wishes to say about him or how history may judge, certainly not many people could have done that.
A good point . How was this increase in membership achieved,though?Quote:
Originally Posted by AscendedI very much like & respect Sir Keir Starmer, in my view he's doing an excellent job as Labour Leader, PMQs is a regular mauling for the PM. Though I do think it has be acknowledged that the true contribution of Jeremy Corbyn was a massive expansion of the Labour Party Membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sore Knee
The last full year of Ed Miliband as Labour leader before Jeremy Corbyn took over, Labour Party Membership stood at around 193,000, very close to today's figure of 191,000 members of the Conservative Party.
Today's Labour Party Membership is around 496,000 members, so as leader Mr Corbyn added over 300,000 new members to the Labour Party and for whatever anybody wishes to say about him or how history may judge, certainly not many people could have done that.
It seems to have happened under his watch ....to what extent would you say he was personally responsible?
Might it just have been that a section of the population was using Corbyn to gain control of the party?
Was it not obvious to most people that they were never going to win a General Election ?(barring very unusual circumstances which ,admittedly do seem to be the fixed norm these days)
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Originally Posted by geordiefA good point . How was this increase in membership achieved,though?Quote:
Originally Posted by AscendedI very much like & respect Sir Keir Starmer, in my view he's doing an excellent job as Labour Leader, PMQs is a regular mauling for the PM. Though I do think it has be acknowledged that the true contribution of Jeremy Corbyn was a massive expansion of the Labour Party Membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sore Knee
The last full year of Ed Miliband as Labour leader before Jeremy Corbyn took over, Labour Party Membership stood at around 193,000, very close to today's figure of 191,000 members of the Conservative Party.
Today's Labour Party Membership is around 496,000 members, so as leader Mr Corbyn added over 300,000 new members to the Labour Party and for whatever anybody wishes to say about him or how history may judge, certainly not many people could have done that.
It seems to have happened under his watch ....to what extent would you say he was personally responsible?
Might it just have been that a section of the population was using Corbyn to gain control of the party?
Was it not obvious to most people that they were never going to win a General Election ?(barring very unusual circumstances which ,admittedly do seem to be the fixed norm these days)
There were probably a number of factors which encouraged more people to join Labour after Corbyn became leader, disappointment in losing the 2015 election after the damage done from austerity, a people's choice Labour Leader - At the time Corbyn was seen by many on the left as their man not someone hand picked by the establishment. He offered a sense of hope to many around the country who had all but about given up under Tory rule. He put forward genuinely left wing policies designed to help ordinary people.
But if he wasn't responsible for Labour becoming the biggest political party in Europe and for thousands of new people getting involved in politics, then it would surely require an extraordinary explanation as to why not.
I'm not sure there ever really was a section of population who even wanted to gain control of the Labour Party. When Ed Miliband lost the general election in 2015 there was a sense disbelief that Labour had still lost in spite of the damage which wreaked havoc in people's lives across the country especially those most reliant on public services. There really was no appetite or enthusiasm for anything to do with Labour.
In 2017 Labour were 24 points down in the opinion polls when Theresa May called the snap election, Labour were expected to get crushed. When the dust had settled the Conservatives needed to bribe the DUP to stay in power because they'd had their majority wiped out, so I guess next time around there was that sense that anything could happen. The major problem though was Brexit, the real elephant in the room. You had the Remain vote being split between the SNP, Lib Dems, the Greens & Labour, whilst the Tories just a had a very compliant Farage to worry about who didn't even have his Brexit Party oddballs contest most of the seats where the Conservatives were expected to win.
I think too many people were worried about Jeremy Corbyn expecting better off people to help pay their fair share of the cost of global financial crisis, instead of that burden continuing to all fall on the shoulders of ordinary people through austerity, when they should have been keeping a closer eye on these right-wing clowns & scam artists who've actually ended up in government and are doing real damage through a mixture of incompetence & overt corruption on a near daily basis.