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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
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    Strange experience yesterday when walking along the high street in Newport (Shropshire) a huge rainbow appeared over the town.
    Corbyn came from nearby and went to school there.
    That said, next week will be an even bigger week for Brexit.
    Interesting snippet about JC. I found this on Wiki.
    " When Corbyn was seven, the family moved to Pave Lane in Shropshire, where his father bought Yew Tree Manor, a 17th-century country housewhich was once part of the Duke of Sutherland's Lilleshall estate.[14][6][15] Corbyn attended Castle House School, an independent preparatory schoolnear Newport, Shropshire, before, at age 11, becoming a day student at the Adams' Grammar School in the town.[16][17] "

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn
    What is less widely known is that John McDonnell also attended a (Catholic) private school in Norfolk (St Joseph's College, run by monks - De La Salle Brothers), on an LEA grant, as there was no Catholic grammar school in the area. He has tried to pretend he was, (like Stalin, actually!) studying for the priesthood, but this is rubbish. No seminary takes people under 18. It was just a private boarding school.

    In a way it's fair enough. He was obviously recognised as grammar school material by the LEA and in those days they had no compunction in outsourcing to a provider of the right religious background for his family, if they could not do it themselves. But he has hidden it, because of the obvious clash with the anti-private school ethos of the party.
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    Polls latest.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197
    See how accurate they are on Friday.
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    Voted for the Green Party.
    But at least I voted.
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    I just love triumphalism, BJ has trumped the neigh sayers, he has stood down JS, JC will follow very soon, and the Brexit party has played its part, but it is now redundant. Brexit will now get done, however it will take a little time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    Brexit will now get done, however it will take a little time.
    How much would you prepare to wager it will get done at the end of next month, or at anytime during 2020?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    I just love triumphalism, BJ has trumped the neigh sayers, he has stood down JS, JC will follow very soon, and the Brexit party has played its part, but it is now redundant. Brexit will now get done, however it will take a little time.
    A neigh sayer would be a horse. I think you mean naysayer. But spelling is not the strongest point of Brexiters, I realise.

    Yes Brexit will now take place. The interesting thing, as I've said before, will be what form it takes and how long it takes.

    I think Bozolini will probably be forced, by the EU and by his new working class constituencies, to adopt a soft Brexit that will involve him shoving the ERG under a bus, just as he has done to the Daieioupaigh, his wife and kids and sundry lovers of varying attractiveness.

    The best hope for the country, in fact, is that he governs like the A1 sh*t he has been all his life until now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
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    Brexit will now get done, however it will take a little time.
    How much would you prepare to wager it will get done at the end of next month, or at anytime during 2020?
    I will bet you a tenner we are done by the end of 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    I just love triumphalism, BJ has trumped the neigh sayers, he has stood down JS, JC will follow very soon, and the Brexit party has played its part, but it is now redundant. Brexit will now get done, however it will take a little time.
    A neigh sayer would be a horse. I think you mean naysayer. But spelling is not the strongest point of Brexiters, I realise.

    I was going to blame my spell checker but then realised that would be a futile coarse of action.
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    As of yesterday, 2300hrs 31st January 2020 the United Kingdom has left the European Union. I now declare this thread " Brexit Progress Update " to be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    As of yesterday, 2300hrs 31st January 2020 the United Kingdom has left the European Union. I now declare this thread " Brexit Progress Update " to be done.
    Why? There is at least another year of negotiations. There is still the risk of no-deal at the end of 2020, which will be economically damaging, mainly to the UK but also the EU. And then decades of trying to renegotiate trade deals with the all those countries we had trade deals with but just tore them up.

    Anyone who fell for The Liar's "get Brexit done" line must be ignorant or a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    As of yesterday, 2300hrs 31st January 2020 the United Kingdom has left the European Union. I now declare this thread " Brexit Progress Update " to be done.
    I think we may well need to see Brexit progress updates on fishing, Gibraltar, implementation of the Irish Sea border controls, and a range of other thorny issues that are yet to be decided.

    I suspect that Brexit will not be "done" for quite a few years. Its ramifications will probably occupy a lot of the time of politicians, civil servants and government agencies for the next decade.
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    Boris Johnson plans to impose full customs and border checks on European goods
    The move is a radical departure from pre-election planning
    In a radical departure from pre-election ‘no deal’ planning that prioritised the smooth flow of goods into the UK from Europe, Whitehall departments have been told to prepare for imposing the full panoply of checks on EU imports to the UK.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ustoms-border/

    They seem to think that putting tariff and non-tariff barriers on UK businesses will pressure the EU to agree to what they want.
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    One possible fallout of Brexit is the dissolution of the U.K. Scotland and Northern Island preferred to stay. Only England had a strong leave vote.
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    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/p...ntl/index.html

    Oops .Did the UK government forget about the US ?

    Did they think that breaking laws and international treaties (even if only as a threat) gives them super powers?

    Let's not forget ,they don't represent a majority of the UK population,unless a bare majority conned at the polls counts as such.

    They have to get past the Democrats ** in Congress who have a stake in the Good Friday Agreement and risk putting the economic and political fate of the country between the two stools of Europe and the US-but not as a bridge., unless a broken plank counts as a bridge.

    **it is the Dems with the majority in Congress .I can't say how the Repubs line up on the issue but I would normally expect them to toe the Trump line and I expect he will be egging Johnson on.
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54171571

    "Brexit: Dominic Raab seeks to reassure US politicians over Brexit bill"


    The story moves along. "Money talks and bullshit walks".(Neil Diamond)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    As of yesterday, 2300hrs 31st January 2020 the United Kingdom has left the European Union. I now declare this thread " Brexit Progress Update " to be done.
    Care to revise that judgement?

    I predict 2021 will be largely about Brexit. On my shopping list are:

    - possible fishing war - and collapse of parts of UK fishing industry due to lack of access to EU market,
    - huge subsidies needed for sheep farmers,
    - cancellation of investment plans by motor manufacturers,
    - lorry jams at all the ports, filling of the "Farage Garages" notwithstanding,
    - a steady dribble of business failures caused by difficulty competing or getting parts,
    - Sterling settling at a level below the Euro for the first time,
    - reverse ferret by government on immigration restrictions, to prevent health and care sectors running short of staff.

    Should be a barrel of laughs.

    Unless Bozo and Frostie blink, between now and 31st Dec.
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    According to what I've read recently, a majority would vote to stay if another referendum were to be held. Any possibility?
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    It would have to be a strong and consistent majority.

    Even then the die is probably cast.

    Nothing to say that the UK cannot reapply for membership at some stage.

    I remember how hard it was to get accepted as a member (in '73 was it ?) in the first place.

    Nothing is ever set in stone and perhaps if there is an agreement between the EU and the UK regarding trade and standards this can be adjusted down the line ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    It would have to be a strong and consistent majority.

    Even then the die is probably cast.

    Nothing to say that the UK cannot reapply for membership at some stage.

    I remember how hard it was to get accepted as a member (in '73 was it ?) in the first place.

    Nothing is ever set in stone and perhaps if there is an agreement between the EU and the UK regarding trade and standards this can be adjusted down the line ....
    I think rejoining is off the table for 20 years at least. There would not be any trust on the EU side. But it could happen in my son's lifetime, perhaps.

    Far more likely, I think, is that a future UK government will choose to do a more comprehensive deal, far closer to Single Market membership. The much-trumpeted "sovereignty" is freedom to set our own industrial policy. But the government has no idea in what way, if any, they actually want to deviate from EU norms.

    The truth is the UK will not in practice want to deviate significantly. It will continue to support free trade and minimising of government intervention and state aid. There is zero chance of deregulating employment standards to create a low-cost, sweatshop Singapore-on-Thames, as some of the wilder Tories imagine. So all this piss and wind is for nothing, in practical terms. Sooner or later this will dawn on the government of the day and they will realise we lose nothing by signing up to a set of level playing field rules, devised in large part, once upon a time, by one Margaret Thatcher.
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    Has the EU got Johnson turning on a spit?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

    It seems to be at their discretion to allow GB back into the lucrative and reputational Lugano Convention.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/det...4-380deaabe87e
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Has the EU got Johnson turning on a spit?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

    It seems to be at their discretion to allow GB back into the lucrative and reputational Lugano Convention.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/det...4-380deaabe87e
    No, they do not have Bozo turning on a spit, because he simply has no interest in the wellbeing of the nation.

    It will fall to others to rescue the position, after he has gone. My bet is that the EU is well aware of this and is willing to play a very long game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
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    Has the EU got Johnson turning on a spit?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

    It seems to be at their discretion to allow GB back into the lucrative and reputational Lugano Convention.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/det...4-380deaabe87e
    No, they do not have Bozo turning on a spit, because he simply has no interest in the wellbeing of the nation.

    It will fall to others to rescue the position, after he has gone. My bet is that the EU is well aware of this and is willing to play a very long game.
    Do you think this will affect Johnson's re-electoral prospects?

    Might it introduce a new momentum into the party political balance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    Has the EU got Johnson turning on a spit?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/28/b...cmd/index.html

    It seems to be at their discretion to allow GB back into the lucrative and reputational Lugano Convention.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/det...4-380deaabe87e
    No, they do not have Bozo turning on a spit, because he simply has no interest in the wellbeing of the nation.

    It will fall to others to rescue the position, after he has gone. My bet is that the EU is well aware of this and is willing to play a very long game.
    Do you think this will affect Johnson's re-electoral prospects?

    Might it introduce a new momentum into the party political balance?
    Far too esoteric an issue to trouble the man in the Hartlepool pub.

    And besides, he'd probably be glad to see some fat cat London lawyers put out of a job, even if it made the country poorer.

    Most voters are no better at joined-up thinking than Bozo.
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