Notices
Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: Bernie sanders.

  1. #1 Bernie sanders. 
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    963
    Altho' I live in the UK I believe I used to have a reasonable grasp of US politics, but I'm pretty certain I know less now.
    i do feel, however, the possible election of Sanders, as US President marks an important change, in voting behaviour, in the country.
    Can Sanders can be linked to the past with some connection to George McGovern?
    Sanders describes himself as a "democratic socialist" but then goes on to say he is not professing admiration for Cuba or Venezuela but about Denmark and Sweden.
    Understandably he is not a fan of the first couple, mentioned above, but Sweden and Denmark should be defined as social democracies and not socialist states - there is a considerable difference!
    Sanders also seems to admire the UK Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn.
    In the UK Corbyn is seen as a figure of the "hard left".
    He is anti EU, NATO, US and business. In the recent past both he and his acolytes have described Venezuela as following a valid path toward a socialist economy.
    To his credit, Sanders appears to have little time for that buffoon Chavez!
    As for policies on trade Sanders seems to have much in common with the ideas of the President - Comrade Donald Trump.
    Truly "the donald" is an exceptional intellectual with a real grasp of the problems, both external and internal, facing the US.
    Last, and off topic, I am, to a certain extent, wary of terms such as "liberal", progressive"" and use of the word "funding".
    IMO they appear to show a bias toward one part of the political spectrum.
    At one time "liberal" referred to a supporter of free markets and free trade before it was hi-jacked.
    But maybe that is an unfair comment - after all the meaning of some words change over time.


    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Forum Professor
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    New York State
    Posts
    1,125
    You seem to be engaged in word play. What is the difference between democratic socialism I doubt if Bernie Sanders or any other leading Democrat is advocating nationalizing any industries.

    You forgot to mention Corbyn's anti-Semitism among his sins.

    On Venezuela - Chavez is dead and currently it is just a mess.


    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    963
    Quote Originally Posted by mathman View Post
    You seem to be engaged in word play. What is the difference between democratic socialism I doubt if Bernie Sanders or any other leading Democrat is advocating nationalizing any industries.

    You forgot to mention Corbyn's anti-Semitism among his sins.

    On Venezuela - Chavez is dead and currently it is just a mess.
    In the UK, and Western Europe, there is a clear difference between the terms "social democracy" and "democratic socialism".
    Sanders has described himself as a democratic socialist.
    A social democrat, first and foremost, believes in liberal (parliamentary) democracy.
    Many regimes have claimed their political systems could best be described by use of the term "democratic socialist". A number of those regimes have only paid lip-service to democratic values.
    Anyway, on this side of the Atlantic, an individual describing himself/herself as an adherent of democratic socialism would normally be seen as considerably further to the left than someone who believes in social democracy.
    I'm well aware Chavez is dead, but I was careless and should have said "Sanders appears to have had little time for------".
    The point I am trying, clumsily, to get across is that Sanders comes across as a left-wing (as seen in the US) social democrat.
    Over here, it would be thought of as highly unusual if a politician describing himself as a socialist, and therefore demanding an enhanced role for the State, would not, at the very least, give consideration to a policy advocating the nationalizing of one or more key industries.
    Last edited by Halliday; February 13th, 2019 at 08:59 PM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Forum Professor
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    New York State
    Posts
    1,125
    People in the Democratic party in the U.S. who call themselves democratic socialists are what you call social democrats. Their platform basically is universal health care, living minimum wage, etc. The only industries that could be seriously affected are health insurance and drug manufacturers.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •