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  1. #1 Why Shouldn't Science And State Become One? 
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    I have a thought that’s been on my mind lately and I would like some educated opinions to explain in good reason why governments aren’t scientific institutions as a form of governance.

    This to me is incredibly obvious and should be to anyone who is familiar with the applications of what the scientific method has achieved in creating aspirations and accomplishments for the betterment of humanity.

    In the scientific community there is no one official expert leading it, nor is there one with a rule of power, there is no electorate and there is no opinions that by themselves hold integrity.

    I would like to know why with such a mess world wide in the typical two party system that has been allowed to venture into a continued disgrace, especially in their inability to move forward meaningfully in what scientific evidence would direct them to.

    Because it's not as if the current system effectively works, so why haven't the intelligent people of the world applied the slightest form of reason to create a system where science and state are one and the same?


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    Scientists are needed for science. We shouldn’t waste them on bureaucracy and administration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andre29 View Post
    I have a thought that’s been on my mind lately and I would like some educated opinions to explain in good reason why governments aren’t scientific institutions as a form of governance.

    This to me is incredibly obvious and should be to anyone who is familiar with the applications of what the scientific method has achieved in creating aspirations and accomplishments for the betterment of humanity.

    In the scientific community there is no one official expert leading it, nor is there one with a rule of power, there is no electorate and there is no opinions that by themselves hold integrity.

    I would like to know why with such a mess world wide in the typical two party system that has been allowed to venture into a continued disgrace, especially in their inability to move forward meaningfully in what scientific evidence would direct them to.

    Because it's not as if the current system effectively works, so why haven't the intelligent people of the world applied the slightest form of reason to create a system where science and state are one and the same?
    The reason is plain: human affairs are far too complex to be susceptible to the scientific method. You seem to forget that science works by isolating a system and controlling as many variables as possible in order to establish relationships between the elements of interest. This approach simply doesn't work in government. Too many variables, many of them unquantifiable, and far too little time to analyse by scientific means.

    The only time a "scientific" approach to government has been tried was in the USSR at the time of Stalin, with catastrophic results.
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    Given some form of democracy, a scientific person could run for office. I would totally vote for Neil DeGrasse Tyson for anything he might run for.
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    Angela Merkel (world's most powerful woman) was a research scientist before she entered politics. Margaret Thatcher (formerly world's most powerful woman) had a degree in chemistry from Oxford.
    Many politicians have science degrees.

    (Maybe why the world is in such a mess.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Angela Merkel (world's most powerful woman) was a research scientist before she entered politics. Margaret Thatcher (formerly world's most powerful woman) had a degree in chemistry from Oxford.
    Many politicians have science degrees.

    (Maybe why the world is in such a mess.)
    To paraphrase Richard Feynman - if we take scientists out of their field of expertise they have the ability to speak as much nonsense as the rest of us.
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    Great quote.
    But was he a closet communist?
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    Because it's not as if the current system effectively works, so why haven't the intelligent people of the world applied the slightest form of reason to create a system where science and state are one and the same?[/QUOTE
    Once a scientist becomes a politician, there is little room for actual science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Great quote.
    But was he a closet communist?
    I suspect Feynman was a political "maverick".
    If the term was used to describe my own views I would not regard its use as a compliment!
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