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  1. #1 The donald john. 
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    I can think of a dozen reasons (is that all?) why I don't like Donald Trump!
    However I don't believe I would be justified in automatically attacking everything he attempts to achieve.
    It would be a tragedy if he managed to harm the close links existing, at present, between North America and Europe.
    But Trump is not the first American President to complain most European nations are not paying their fair share to NATO, and one can understand why this annoys many US citizens.
    It is certainly possible to argue Trump is using the wrong, some would describe, overly aggressive approach which may well fail, but the use of "normal diplomatic channels" to sort the problem has not worked either!


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    Trying to make an accurate assessment of what President Trump is actually attempting to achieve isn't straightforward. Often, his rhetoric doesn't jive with the results of his actions. Not only is there a lack of consistency to contend with, but much of what Mr Trump says is either factually inaccurate or is subsequently contradicted by events, others or by even himself.

    Complicating matters further is what appears to be the constant battle between the White House and the media to put their own spin on events, with discernable facts, objectivity or clarity at a premium, the President's penchant for superlatives & hyperbole doesn't help either.

    In regard to harming links between North America & Europe, whilst short-term relations between the EU, individual European Governments and the White House may have certainly become more difficult & strained, I don't think the links forged over decades will be in jeopardy in the long term. Europeans don't actually appear to take the President's words with any great seriousness.

    In his latest speech, which appeared to be a glorified publicity stunt, Mr Trump has claimed he has persuaded NATO members to increase defence spending by billions of dollars, indeed he made reference to the sum of 33 billion dollars on a number of occasions.

    Now whilst this may play out well for an American audience that somehow thinks that Europe is letting them down by not buying enough weapons, given that the President has made this claim often enough, almost immediately after Mr Trump's speech, the French President made a statement contradicting exactly what Mr Trump had said.

    Indeed Mr Macron states that a communique already confirms the goal of 2 per cent by 2024, this was the figure & target date the alliance had previously agreed in 2014 with the Obama administration, it would see member's spending lifted to 2 per cent of their gross domestic product by 2024.

    So, either this whole issue over NATO defence spending is another example of Mr Trump telling Americans a problem exists, where it doesn't, and/or a petty attempt at undermining another of President Obama's agreements, because in fact an agreement to lift spending is already in place by which nations still have 6 years to bring their spending up to the desired & agreed upon level.
    Whilst only the President can know his true motives, it does appear, at least in this situation, he has invented a supposed problem with the intention of claiming a victory for personally solving it, as appears to be the President's modus operandi.

    Edit: I'm adding a link to the excellent interview that Sadiq Khan gave to CNN, to highlight how the President is regarded in Europe.

    Link:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nim3gw0vkbQ




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    You can shove Sadiq Khan , "
    Edit: I'm adding a link to the excellent interview that Sadiq Khan gave to CNN, to highlight how the President is regarded in Europe. "
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    I don't believe "the Donald" is wrong about absolutely everything, but how the hell anyone could generally admire, and support him, is beyond me.
    His former Secretary of State called him (never denied) a f------ moron, and, for me, this would qualify as a reasonable judgement.
    I must stress I am not a leftist, but I really do need to see someone, with a bit of class, representing the centre-right.
    A quality sadly missing from the character of the "Donald".
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    Meeting with Putin seems to indicate Trump is a moron or worse. Russians have indicted for try to interfere with 2016 election. Cong. committees have issued statements about Russian meddling in our election. During meeting with Putin, Putin denied everything and Trump said he would rather believe Putin than FBI or Cong. committees.
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    I feel one must separate the individual, DJT, from the Trump Administration. Like GWB before him (...and RWR before him) Donald does not actually make any policy. He's too busy watching FNC, creating photo ops, playing golf and tweeting. He's just the clown in the barrel hired to distract the public from what's happening under our noses.

    The real power in Washington is The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society and American Crossroads, the first two being mouthpieces of the Koch brothers and the latter is Karl Rove's outfit. These unelected men behind the curtains pull the real levers of power.

    Plus Sean Hannity, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    I feel one must separate the individual, DJT, from the Trump Administration. Like GWB before him (...and RWR before him) Donald does not actually make any policy. He's too busy watching FNC, creating photo ops, playing golf and tweeting. He's just the clown in the barrel hired to distract the public from what's happening under our noses.

    The real power in Washington is The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society and American Crossroads, the first two being mouthpieces of the Koch brothers and the latter is Karl Rove's outfit. These unelected men behind the curtains pull the real levers of power.

    Plus Sean Hannity, of course.
    You fail to say any thing about the administration of Barrack Hussain Obama, or William Jefferson Clinton.
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