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    Have you seen the new Tom Hanks - Emma Watson -movie, The Circle? I highly recommend it.

    The movie proposed a society, where everything you did would have been filmed and everyone could see it. Every thing you said, every guy you met and every meal you eat was known by anyone. The point of the movie was that secrets are lies, and without lies the society can work faster, purer, with less distractions, without corruption, safer etc.

    There was also a scene, where - by accident - everyone saw a couple having sex.



    The first feeling that comes to mind when thinking about this is just anxiety: no freedom, no personal space? Sounds horrible, right?
    Well, I felt exactly that while watching the movie. After I had finished it I looked at the idea from a different perspective.

    Isn't the need for personal space and secrets just a concept made by humans? I mean, for sure, I wouldn't want anyone/everyone to be watching while I'm having sex, but of course I am a human, effected by culture and concepts made by humans. To be honest, I can't objectively think of a reason why it would hurt me to be watched in every situation of my life!
    It might be weird at first, but after time I think I would just get used to the fact that I can have no secrets.

    I don't believe this kind of society will ever be constructed (without forcing people into it), the human nature and culture is just too strong. But objectively thinking, what do you think? Why not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Akarri View Post
    Have you seen the new Tom Hanks - Emma Watson -movie, The Circle? I highly recommend it.

    The movie proposed a society, where everything you did would have been filmed and everyone could see it. Every thing you said, every guy you met and every meal you eat was known by anyone. The point of the movie was that secrets are lies, and without lies the society can work faster, purer, with less distractions, without corruption, safer etc.

    There was also a scene, where - by accident - everyone saw a couple having sex.



    The first feeling that comes to mind when thinking about this is just anxiety: no freedom, no personal space? Sounds horrible, right?
    Well, I felt exactly that while watching the movie. After I had finished it I looked at the idea from a different perspective.

    Isn't the need for personal space and secrets just a concept made by humans? I mean, for sure, I wouldn't want anyone/everyone to be watching while I'm having sex, but of course I am a human, effected by culture and concepts made by humans. To be honest, I can't objectively think of a reason why it would hurt me to be watched in every situation of my life!
    It might be weird at first, but after time I think I would just get used to the fact that I can have no secrets.

    I don't believe this kind of society will ever be constructed (without forcing people into it), the human nature and culture is just too strong. But objectively thinking, what do you think? Why not?
    Isn't it a more important question as to how far the balance between privacy/anonymity and transparency will be shifted by changes in society and technology?

    It is unrealistic to talk about complete transparency .

    There have been a few films based on identity theft organized by state bodies. I am not aware if this has happened in real life. It would be some story if it had or did.

    There is also the question of personal information being given up to companies like Google (I think this may have come up when the issue of smart electricity meters was discussed recently)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_meter


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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Isn't it a more important question as to how far the balance between privacy/anonymity and transparency will be shifted by changes in society and technology?

    It is unrealistic to talk about complete transparency .
    Yeah, as I said this will never ever happen. The question I wanted to raise (as a thought experiment) was that if humans could hypothetically overcome their need for privacy, would this kind of society be beneficial?

    And I'm talking about pretty much full transparency here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akarri View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Isn't it a more important question as to how far the balance between privacy/anonymity and transparency will be shifted by changes in society and technology?

    It is unrealistic to talk about complete transparency .
    Yeah, as I said this will never ever happen. The question I wanted to raise (as a thought experiment) was that if humans could hypothetically overcome their need for privacy, would this kind of society be beneficial?

    And I'm talking about pretty much full transparency here.
    Are we talking about an end to individualism and the rise of "group think" (I forget how that term was actually used in Orwell's book) ?

    Privacy could develop into a new religion where individuals worshiped at their own altar of identification with self.

    On the other hand I feel some people may be naturally open and these people might "inherit the earth" (apologies for the religious phraseology ) whilst those who are naturally private would be buried.
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    Yeah, group think is what I'm suggesting here. I believe it would be beneficial and that objectively thinking there's no reason why this shouldn't happen.
    It just will not happen because we're so stuck in our culture and habits.


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    On the other hand I feel some people may be naturally open and these people might "inherit the earth" (apologies for the religious phraseology ) whilst those who are naturally private would be buried.
    Yeah, maybe...but I'm skeptical. I really don't think that it's possible for someone to give up their privacy in real life.
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