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    Despite the claim, by the British left, their ideology is morally superior to all others, and despite their apparent contempt for any UK government having relations with a regime they regard as nasty and authoritarian, their silence on the situation in Venezuela is deafening!
    Not so long ago the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and many of his acolytes, regarded the Chavez regime as a fine example of socialism in action.
    The journalist Owen Jones, writing in the Independent newspaper, even stated Chavez had proved "it was possible to lead a popular, progressive government that broke with the neo-liberal dogma".
    It was well said "a good sign your country is on the verge of economic collapse is if it starts being lauded as a model by the British hard left".
    I would imagine their profound analysis, at the moment, would suggest, first, the policies of the Venezuelan government did not lead to "proper" socialism and, of course, second, blame the United states.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Halliday View Post
    Despite the claim, by the British left, their ideology is morally superior to all others, and despite their apparent contempt for any UK government having relations with a regime they regard as nasty and authoritarian, their silence on the situation in Venezuela is deafening!
    Not so long ago the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, and many of his acolytes, regarded the Chavez regime as a fine example of socialism in action.
    The journalist Owen Jones, writing in the Independent newspaper, even stated Chavez had proved "it was possible to lead a popular, progressive government that broke with the neo-liberal dogma".
    It was well said "a good sign your country is on the verge of economic collapse is if it starts being lauded as a model by the British hard left".
    I would imagine their profound analysis, at the moment, would suggest, first, the policies of the Venezuelan government did not lead to "proper" socialism and, of course, second, blame the United states.
    Ha! You must have been reading the piece by Philip Stephens in yesterday's FT. That was on the topic of Corbyn's inability to criticise any despotic regime if it is an opponent of the United States. His thesis is that Corbs's entire foreign policy stance is driven by unthinking anti-Americanism, and has been throughout the last 30 years plus. (I have no time for Owen Jones, but then nor does anyone over 30, apart from extreme leftwingers.) Yet Corbs has a quite a following, evidently.....

    I've given up, more or less. We live now in Auberon Waugh's "Stupid Society", it seems. All the good politicians have been forced to the margins by Corbyn and by Brexshit. We will have to wait until Brexshit makes us all poorer and Corbyn (by which I mean Seumas Milne) has led a really useless government, before people will re-learn why you need serious people in charge. By then I shall be in my mid 70s and thanking God my son has a French passport.

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    I must admit I haven't read the FT often, but I know it is a quality newspaper, and believe I would generally agree with the political stance of that journal.
    I do think Corbyn is anti-American, anti NATO and certainly in the past, and probably still today at least in private, an opponent of the EU.
    Along with positive comments about Stalin one of his advisors, Andrew Murray, has shown a certain amount of warmth toward that ("socialist paradise") totalitarian mess that is North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halliday View Post
    I must admit I haven't read the FT often, but I know it is a quality newspaper, and believe I would generally agree with the political stance of that journal.
    I do think Corbyn is anti-American, anti NATO and certainly in the past, and probably still today at least in private, an opponent of the EU.
    Along with positive comments about Stalin one of his advisors, Andrew Murray, has shown a certain amount of warmth toward that ("socialist paradise") totalitarian mess that is North Korea.
    Yes. And he has a Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, the 2nd most important person in his Shadow Cabinet, who has explicitly called for insurrection on the streets of Britain. And this was not decades ago, in a fit of youthful exuberance, it was a mere 2 years ago!

    The FT is generally internationalist and free-market centrist, politically. (It is everything Ox would hate .)
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