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    Are these a good idea if they cannot be completely relied upon?

    Kenya presidential election cancelled by Supreme Court - BBC News

    Does civil society place so little value upon the veracity of political decision making at election time that it is prepared to dispense with the verifiable methods of vote counting by insisting on the evidence of material evidence?

    Should electronic voting be banned outright unless it is accompanied by paper voting that is strictly supervised and given the same priority that is given to counter terrorism security?


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    That is a very good point, certainly, it should be very carefully considered given the implications for democracy, especially after Trump's allegations of electoral fraud and I think it was broadcast as 27 separate United States Agencies were reporting interference, whatever that means, by the Russia, during the Presidential election campaign.

    There is a real issue regarding anonymity preventing people being able to check, with any certainty, their vote has indeed been cast & counted for the candidate they intended. This may well be a specific challenge for democracy in general globally as groups and even nations become more skilled at manipulating election results.

    One solution may be to actually break down the size of the numbers involved thus making it much harder to manipulate & quicker to recheck, by creating more levels of representatives, at each level it may only require several hundred votes, rather than tens or hundreds of thousands, or even the millions of votes in some cases, that make election fraud much easier and measures to counter it all that much harder.


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    "There is a real issue regarding anonymity preventing people being able to check, with any certainty, their vote has indeed been cast & counted for the candidate they intended. " Where does that even take place though? I ended up voting in 4 or 5 states before I settled on one I was stationed in and thought might retire in after my military life--not one had a way to confirm votes were actually counted--only a receipt that a vote had been cast--there's a huge difference between cast and counted. It was the same overseas in two elections where I acted as a security advisor.

    The reality is paper is a horrible means--subject to stealing, deliberate destruction & miscount, accidental or environmental destruction etc.

    I'd love to see both electronic--even by e accounted using similar security measures by which we trust to do trillions in finance transactions, with a manual back up failing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    "There is a real issue regarding anonymity preventing people being able to check, with any certainty, their vote has indeed been cast & counted for the candidate they intended. " Where does that even take place though? I ended up voting in 4 or 5 states before I settled on one I was stationed in and thought might retire in after my military life--not one had a way to confirm votes were actually counted--only a receipt that a vote had been cast--there's a huge difference between cast and counted. It was the same overseas in two elections where I acted as a security advisor.

    The reality is paper is a horrible means--subject to stealing, deliberate destruction & miscount, accidental or environmental destruction etc.

    I'd love to see both electronic--even by e accounted using similar security measures by which we trust to do trillions in finance transactions, with a manual back up failing that.
    You've hit the nail on the head of the real problem, ordinarily, most of us in the Western world have just accepted that our elections are free and fair, indeed how many of us have even wanted proof that our votes are counted? Ok maybe after the Bush Florida debacle and that whole 'hanging chad' issue, people may have been concerned, however, on the whole most of just take on trust that our votes will be counted.

    The situation is changing though, we can't any longer rely on the fairness of a system we have been told is now open to manipulation by foreign powers, certainly if election manipulation can happen in America in can also happen in the UK or anywhere else for that matter, we can no longer afford to be complacent.

    Whilst I agree that paper isn't ideal, the one advantage of paper is at least it's physical, not just figures stored as electronic data that can be hacked and changed to the tune of millions of votes with relatively little effort, compared to trying to switch or altar millions of paper ballots. Regardless of paper or electronic means though, the real issue is having certainty, for a person actually being able to check for themselves on the status of their vote.

    Really the only way I see of achieving this is some kind of anonymised record of votes cast, perhaps using individual security numbers that voters are required to keep secret to themselves, thus preventing others from knowing who has voted for which candidate but also allowing individuals to see that their vote has actually been counted, this would also make any distinction between paper or electronic voting rather moot.
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    I wonder why I brought up the subject of e-voting when (I guess) it was probably just paper ballots in Kenya.

    Actually the independence of the judiciary is equally as important an issue. Those who seek to undermine it deserve their own place in Hell.

    Is there some kind of a way that random checks can be made? A small anonymous and representative group of electors could be selected and their votes tracked so that any widespread fraud could show up if this group's results were suspicious at all.
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