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    The CIA is out of control. They're a loose cannon and it's time to start firing people until they shape up; and it looks like there may even need to be some indictments and some people doing hard time in Leavenworth.

    House intel chair warns of penalty if CIA searched Senate computers - CNN.com

    Not only is the CIA barred from acting inside the US, they were interfering with Congressional oversight. Both of these are felonies under the US Code.

    Meanwhile, Obama has advocated public release of the report the Senate staffers were working on, which is about torture and purportedly shows that none of the subjects who were interrogated using these controversial techniques gave up any useful information. I am unsurprised, since I believe torture is the least effective method of interrogation and the last refuge of the frustrated, incompetent interrogator.


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    Gee Schneib I hope they don't find out about all of those purloined top secret documents you have on your computer and hidden away in the upstairs closet. Those people can be a tad heavy handed.


    Seriously; though a damned sorry state of affairs if true, but, it comes as no surprise.


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    Diane Feinstein is dishing the dirt on the CIA's reporting to Congress.

    Betcha she doesn't botch the CIA's immunity.

    http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/feins...ch-on-the-cia/
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    It's getting hard to be surprised, anymore. The CIA has been out of control for decades. They seem to be less useful to intelligence-gathering than reading local newspapers can accomplish. Is an agency which engages in espionage even desirable ? Is it necessary ? doesn't it signal to the world including our allies that "we don't trust you". ? I'll wait for the "you're nave" response, from many. Or, maybe, none. At least the CIA is reading this, or some other agency. Screw 'em.
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    There are lots of legitimate reasons for engaging in espionage, based on national security. Verification of nuclear arms decommissioning agreements are one. Checking for corrupt officials in other countries, or in our own country engaged in corrupt activity in collusion with officials of other countries, is another. Tracking contraband across international boundaries is another. Watching the activities of our enemies for developing threats is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umbradiago View Post
    It's getting hard to be surprised, anymore. The CIA has been out of control for decades. They seem to be less useful to intelligence-gathering than reading local newspapers can accomplish. Is an agency which engages in espionage even desirable ? Is it necessary ? doesn't it signal to the world including our allies that "we don't trust you". ? I'll wait for the "you're nave" response, from many. Or, maybe, none. At least the CIA is reading this, or some other agency. Screw 'em.
    I have not studied the matter deeply, but such articles and books I have read over the years really do raise the question of what the hell they've been doing with their funding. On the other hand, at least they weren't run by Russian agents as was largely true of MI5 for several years.
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    Why was the CIA so clumsy that they got caught spying on Congressmen?
    It seems CIA tradecraft is at an all time low.
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    not spying dan
    they allegedly removed information from staffers computers
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    It does kind of make you wonder about what's really going on, if what the CIA were doing was really so important, in security terms, that they would risk acting on US soil then what exactly were Homeland security doing?, sitting on their backsides or respecting the law, given they've actually got a mandate to operate in the US. Why exactly is the CIA doing Homelands job? Either Homeland are incompetent, the CIA have to little of their own work to actually do or someone just made a major scew up, but, and to really put the icing on the cake they've got caught doing it! Perhaps the worst crime of all for a security agency!

    I'd be far less bothered of what they are doing than the level of incompetence being employed in it's implimentation.
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    It is mostly about the torture stuff that was going on during the Bush era. There are still quite a few people around who do not want their parts in that policy to come out.
    There is also quite a few who might face prosecution as criminals if it does.
    It is a very sordid story that goes back more than 30 years.

    Edit: Here is a wikipedia article that explains a bit of it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhance...ion_techniques
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    It does kind of make you wonder about what's really going on, if what the CIA were doing was really so important, in security terms, that they would risk acting on US soil
    This isn't a "risk." It's a crime. They shouldn't ever be considering it. It's illegal. We haven't given the CIA license to break the law nor should we ever.

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    then what exactly were Homeland security doing?, sitting on their backsides or respecting the law, given they've actually got a mandate to operate in the US.
    Are you equivocating the CIA with DHS?

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    Why exactly is the CIA doing Homelands job?
    Where?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Either Homeland are incompetent, the CIA have to little of their own work to actually do or someone just made a major scew up, but, and to really put the icing on the cake they've got caught doing it! Perhaps the worst crime of all for a security agency!
    Errr, do you have a quote and link to where this is happening? Not only that, but do you understand that the CIA can only hand data to DHS for their action, and the DHS can only hand data to the CIA for their action, and that they are otherwise segregated by a legal wall whose origins are based in Posse Comitatus?

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    I'd be far less bothered of what they are doing than the level of incompetence being employed in it's implimentation.
    What "incompetence?" Please show examples. You have not so far.

    Keep working though. You're at least asking questions, though they're not the right ones yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schneibster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    It does kind of make you wonder about what's really going on, if what the CIA were doing was really so important, in security terms, that they would risk acting on US soil
    This isn't a "risk." It's a crime. They shouldn't ever be considering it. It's illegal. We haven't given the CIA license to break the law nor should we ever.
    Yes I agree it's illegal, the point I'm making is that if they have deemed it so important or necessary as to break the law then why arn't Homeland Security taking this action as even though it may still be illegal at the very least they are at least ligitimatally allowed, responsible even, for acting in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    then what exactly were Homeland security doing?, sitting on their backsides or respecting the law, given they've actually got a mandate to operate in the US.
    Are you equivocating the CIA with DHS?
    The point I was trying to address was that Homeland are/should operate on US soil i.e. their turf, yet it was the CIA taking action not them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Why exactly is the CIA doing Homelands job?
    Where?
    Again the point was that if indeed this wasn't just down to some serious screw up then there must have been a really good reason behind it, if indeed that was the case then again it should have been Homeland Security's resposibility, not that of the CIA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Either Homeland are incompetent, the CIA have to little of their own work to actually do or someone just made a major scew up, but, and to really put the icing on the cake they've got caught doing it! Perhaps the worst crime of all for a security agency!
    Errr, do you have a quote and link to where this is happening? Not only that, but do you understand that the CIA can only hand data to DHS for their action, and the DHS can only hand data to the CIA for their action, and that they are otherwise segregated by a legal wall whose origins are based in Posse Comitatus?
    Ok you're getting slightly confused here, the point being is that any action taken would have come under Homeland Secuity's responsibility, this means either they didn't take action because they deemed it illegal, unnecessary or were to incompetent to do it themselves, because as you point out, if it really was necessary then the CIA should have passed the information to Homeland rather than acting themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I'd be far less bothered of what they are doing than the level of incompetence being employed in it's implimentation.
    What "incompetence?" Please show examples. You have not so far.
    Well the fact we are even discussing this means people KNOW something, the job of security agencies is to keep the imformation secure and not have the likes of you and me discussing it, this is an example of a major fail for any security agency as it makes a mockery of the idea of anything being secure!

    Keep working though. You're at least asking questions, though they're not the right ones yet.
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    Good post. I may not agree with any of it but it's still a good post. I will be with you shortly. I'm working out a problem with the management.
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