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  1. #1 Would you please explain these kindly? 
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    There was of course an element fo truth in the criticisms. After all, Arab reformists

    had been engaging in self-criticism for decades.


    we shall make you a party to everything

    that makes for the strength of our intelligence."


    Source: It is it's context

    http://books.google.com/books?id=6QQnBCsa6aQC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq="above +all+colonialism+was+hated+for+its+explicit++assum ption+that+the"&source=bl&ots=yKH9Z5UIbW&sig=qEGNf 7E04zvDXeCYTdpQAqXzVhY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gy4AU9-7CYGttAahw4DQDA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q="above all colonialism was hated for its explicitassumption that the"&f=false


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    Would you kindly explain them?- of course I well know their meaning but I can not well understand the whole sentences


    Many thanks


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    Without the context it is really difficult to make sense out of most short sentences and partial sentences.

    If I don't know what the criticisms the first sentence refers to are I have no way to know or even care if they have elements of truth in them. The same thing happens with the rest of the sentences, without context they are meaningless.


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    The context is provide by the link. It contains the full text from which these are extracted.

    My problem, Nima, is I do not understand your question. You say you know their meaning, but then add you don't understand the whole sentence. That does not make sense to me. Would you try to make it clearer.

    But, I'll take a run at it: the first pair of sentences are looking at the claim that Arabic is not a precise language. The writer acknowledges that this might be partly true. To demonstrate that this is not just a biased western view he notes that Arab reformists had been making (similar) criticisms for decades.

    The second item is easier. It is equivalent to "We are intelligent. Many things have contributed to this intelligence. We shall share all of them with you."
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    Thank you so much.

    Yes this is exactly that I can not understand:

    Arab reformists had been making (similar) criticisms for decades.
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    Thank you for giving the context Nima.
    I agree with John that the first sentences are being used to justify the comments in the paragraph above them.

    The second set are being used to justify the statement that some of the Frech administrators thought they were helping.
    The sentence that immediately follows that one in the text, "But none of this..." removes all the previous justifications for the colonialist attitudes.

    The whole passage to that point is a good example of a straw man. A straw man is where you set up an artificial argument and then knock it down.
    It is used to reduce the ability of anybody else to use the points you made in the straw man in a real argument against the one you really want to present.

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    In the UK it seems to be known as an "Aunt Sally" for some reason.

    If you look up straw man argument they tend to define it as a distraction type of fallacy in response to an argument that is being presented, but it can also be used to prevent the valid argument from being presented at all.
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    Thank you all so much. And I know well what is strawman.

    But, would you please kindly explain me how you have concluded from that passage that it is a kind of
    strawman?


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    In addition, I can not understand the following yet. Would you possibly and kindly elaborate your explanations as to the following?


    There was of course an element fo truth in the criticisms. After all, Arab reformists

    had been engaging in self-criticism for decades.
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    In point form the passage is:
    1) Colonialists had severely racist attitudes and regarded Arabs as inferior peoples.(the French were the worst) [to line 11]
    2) In some ways the colonialist attitudes were right. [line 11,12]
    3) Even some of the Arabs agreed the colonialist attitudes were right.[line 12, 13]
    4) The Colonialist attitudes were not that bad, even the French thought they were helping. [line 13 to 16]
    5) The Colonialist attitudes really were that bad, and possibly worse. [lines 16,17,18]
    6) The Arabs were fully justified in rebelling against the colonialist attitudes [lines 18 to 23]
    7) There are lingering effects from cultural colonialism and future problems as a result of it [lines 23 to end]

    Your sentence, "After all Arab...." is point 3.
    Your sentence, "There was an element of truth..." is point 2

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    Maybe if you just say what it is about the sentences that you don't understand it would help.
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    Well done. Thank you so much. Your explanations are FANTABULOUS.


    And, my last question:


    would you please kindly explain me how you have concluded from that passage that it is a kind of strawman?
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    I'm not judgmental, but then I don't think Arabs are cut out for democracy. I think they're value system is one of violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    I'm not judgmental, but then I don't think Arabs are cut out for democracy. I think they're value system is one of violence.
    You're very clearly judgmental actually, saying you aren't before you then state you do does not absolve you of the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    I'm not judgmental, but then I don't think Arabs are cut out for democracy. I think they're value system is one of violence.
    Salaam

    Generally Arab Muslims, are peace loving peoples, something affirmed in their standard greetings and in their their history and current violent death rates by comparison to many other cultures and parts of the world.

    VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

    (But of course I'm biased by two years of studying their culture and living among them as a military adviser--where I saw less violence (other than an occasional necessity during military missions) and came to trust many more than I could trust Americans in many of their home towns. )
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