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Thread: Religion is the Disease not the Cure

  1. #1 Religion is the Disease not the Cure 
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    Wars, unrest, divisions, all the bad things happening in our time seem to arise from religious inspired activities from generations before us, the question now is how can religious sentimentality be removed from the minds of all human beings so we can forge a new more united, less violent future for the next generations to come


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    I moved this to politics. Your approach is opinionated, not scientific


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    how can religious sentimentality be removed from the minds of all human beings so we can forge a new more united, less violent future for the next generations to come
    Mandatory prefrontal leukotomy for all newborns between the ages of eighteen to twenty three months?
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    i think it should be done on us all or better by forced medication on us, the younger generation doesnt need prefrontal leukotomy, if religion ceases to exist in our generation, we wont pass it on to our children
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    if religion ceases to exist in our generation, we wont pass it on to our children[/COLOR]
    It won't take them long to invent it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    Wars, unrest, etc etc
    I'd say you're doing a pretty good job - all round 1 - of refuting your username.

    1 Including, especially, the first thread you started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    i think it should be done ...
    What is your plan B if someone disagrees?
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    Declare them heretic and nuke 'em.
    Works for me....
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    Thats why i asked, maybe if we remove this invisible barrier of religious diversity, we can be more united as humans
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    if its gonna happen, some men will do it, men who will try to spread the message stronger than any gospel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    i think it should be done on us all or better by forced medication on us, the younger generation doesnt need prefrontal leukotomy, if religion ceases to exist in our generation, we wont pass it on to our children

    I cannot approve such an idea; it implies that many religious people (Christian, Muslim or otherwise) should be punished for the behavior of the few.
    It would be far better to strive for better education about different religions and cultures, so that the next generation is better informed and thus able to make good choices.

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    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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    Yes, all evils in the world are caused by religion, all of them. (in case you misinterpret this i'm mocking your simplified understanding of human psychology)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    ...., the question now is how can religious sentimentality be removed from the minds of all human beings so we can forge a new more united, less violent future for the next generations to come
    But then we would have to go back to hating people based on the colour of their skin, their eyes, their teeth or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
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    how can religious sentimentality be removed from the minds of all human beings so we can forge a new more united, less violent future for the next generations to come
    Mandatory prefrontal leukotomy for all newborns between the ages of eighteen to twenty three months?
    For those of us who do not speak British:
    leukotomy = lobotomy
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    Wars, unrest, divisions, all the bad things happening in our time seem to arise from religious inspired activities
    The last 2 world wars were started by governments not religions. Even Vietnam and Korea were government started wars. I think you should study history a bit more before you make statements like this for it only shows your lack of research but only what your opinion is.
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    I can not really believe the original poster is serious about brainwashing all the religious people because that would imply a 1984 type of totalitarianism worse than what he wants to fix.
    I think he is just rattling your chains a bit.
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    Religion is the root of all evil? No.

    Ignorance is the root of all evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    ...., the question now is how can religious sentimentality be removed from the minds of all human beings so we can forge a new more united, less violent future for the next generations to come
    But then we would have to go back to hating people based on the colour of their skin, their eyes, their teeth or something like that.
    Dan, I must have missed something real important, when did we stop hating people based on the color of their skin, or teeth, or anything for that matter
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    I think religion has a significant input into the world's woes. I think other factors are massive inbalances in wealth and power, tribalism and chronic poverty cycles.

    My solution? I don't have one but providing all children (especially girls) with a secular education until they are 15/16 woudl be a good start. Allowing all women control over their reproductiveness (is that a word??) would also make a huge leap in addressing some of the issues listed above.
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    I think religion has a significant input into the world's woes.
    I'm inclined to the idea that it's the other way around.

    Is it surprising that people long ago whose notion of society was tribal and violent and treated women and children as possessions simply happened to worship god/s which issued instructions that this was the right way to do things? To me, it seems much more likely that people sanctified and glorified what they already believed and acted upon. (What if a god had told them it was wrong to rape and pillage in war, that it was wrong to take slaves of any kind, that women were equal to men in everything? Would they drop their ideas and their weapons and adopt new laws and new attitudes? I don't think so. Such a message would have been ignored as the ravings of someone deranged, not the words of a righteous god.)

    Sticking to the god/s they knew, they used their god/s and their religion to perpetuate their very human weaknesses as strengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    Thats why i asked, maybe if we remove this invisible barrier of religious diversity, we can be more united as humans
    You are confusing cause and effect. It is the diversity of humans (our heritable tribal mentalities) that lead to differentiation that hangs it hat on anything: religion, football team, country, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Dan, I must have missed something real important, when did we stop hating people based on the color of their skin, or teeth, or anything for that matter
    I would just like to put on record: Stargate said something I agree with. banzai! (We might have to wait another 10,000 years before it happens again though. )
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    I'm not for most religions because I'm all for having one less reason to think like an idiot. I feel this way knowing full well that I am perceived as an idiot by many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Dan, I must have missed something real important, when did we stop hating people based on the color of their skin, or teeth, or anything for that matter
    I would just like to put on record: Stargate said something I agree with. banzai! (We might have to wait another 10,000 years before it happens again though. )
    Joker, joker, joker. You can't help yourself can you?. Maybe not so long if you are still there.
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    Ive said this many times and Ill repeat my point of view about this

    Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful

    So by this characterization you might see Religion as ~a Lie that rulers find useful and that common people believe in~ ? Right?

    "WMDs"? A bunch of Lies has been told to muster support for the Iraq war, there's no freaking benefit to not having religion if people just turn around and believe the lies they are told by Government and MEDIA.

    In the case of War, "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler (30s) and Operation Northwoods by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the 50-60s are essential readings imo.


    I think that a lot of woes come from Ignorance (as Flick Monatana mentioned) but more specifically from my pov from the archaic manipulation mechanisms which are hierarchy, money, and secrecy(and control of information/propaganda).
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    I think that a lot of woes come from Ignorance (as Flick Monatana mentioned) but more specifically from my pov from the archaic manipulation mechanisms which are hierarchy, money, and secrecy(and control of information/propaganda).
    That level of ignorance, and lack of critical thinking, is in large part conditioned into people by the Abrahamic religions from the earliest age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sciencenotfiction00 View Post
    Thats why i asked, maybe if we remove this invisible barrier of religious diversity, we can be more united as humans
    Some how I doubt it, as people seem ingenious at finding some other "difference" to use to demonize other people or groups. If it's not religion, it's nationality or race, or political parties, etc. It hasn't changed much since Jonathan Swift satirized it in Gulliver's Travels, with the Lilliputians fighting over whether boiled eggs should be broken on the larger end, as the "Big-Endians" declared, or on small end as practiced by all "Little-Endians".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Religion is the root of all evil? No.

    Ignorance is the root of all evil.
    And religion is quite possibly the strongest of all the forces for ignorance.

    Who opposes the teaching of evolution in schools? What percentage of Muslims are in favor of allowing women to attend school?

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    Thats why i asked, maybe if we remove this invisible barrier of religious diversity, we can be more united as humans
    You are confusing cause and effect. It is the diversity of humans (our heritable tribal mentalities) that lead to differentiation that hangs it hat on anything: religion, football team, country, etc.
    Yeah. Seems we'd have to remove all barriers. And what would be left after we were done?

    So we take away everything human in order to protect the humans so some of them won't kill others, and in the process we eliminate all the humans. Great.
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    While I’m no longer ‘religious,’ I prefer to live in a freethinking society, that gives others the right to choose to follow God, or ‘a god’ in the way they see fit. As long as religion doesn’t overstep its boundaries into my life, or the lives of those who don’t follow it, then I’m fine with others freely practicing whatever religion they so choose. (and as long as the religion isn’t harming others, etc)

    To force people towards or away from religion, really creates the identical problem either way…people controlling others. That is not a ‘free’society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    While I’m no longer ‘religious,’ I prefer to live in a freethinking society, that gives others the right to choose to follow God, or ‘a god’ in the way they see fit. As long as religion doesn’t overstep its boundaries into my life, or the lives of those who don’t follow it, then I’m fine with others freely practicing whatever religion they so choose. (and as long as the religion isn’t harming others, etc)



    To force people towards or away from religion, really creates the identical problem either way…people controlling others. That is not a ‘free’society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Religion is the root of all evil? No.

    Ignorance is the root of all evil.
    Do you really think so? I would go for people to be the root of all good, and evil.
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    That's far too general for my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    That's far too general for my taste.
    I think I have to agree with you in one instance, however people is the first instance then comes ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    That's far too general for my taste.
    It is for me as well.

    And I love Weg's comments and would love to agree with her. My huge reservation is I know that most people don't get to choose their religion, or at least not until they've already been completely indoctrinated into their parents faith on a personal, faux rational, and most importantly a deeply emotional level. Few people get an actual choice for the religion they practice. (I still have relatives that refuse to talk to me for refuting Christianity...screw um I cry...but for many years I cried inside because it broke some close family bonds and created division in the family).
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    The truth is, what ails mankind is its insatiable lust for power, fame, fortune and control. Greed is at the helm of all these things as well. Religion is a very competitive sport. But by itself, it cannot harm anyone without those who follow it seeking to gain all those things I've named.

    That is a human problem, not a religious one. If you are capable of "curing" all of those "ailments" that afflict mankind, and have since the dawn of time, you will be extraordinary beyond measure.

    But, my guess is, you nor anyone can cure man by eradicating religion, for religion isn't the root of all that troubles mankind. But, it often serves as a plausible scapegoat. Just my (trying to be) humble opinion.
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    I tend to think of religion as the symptom of the disease rather than the disease itself.
    If you do not treat the underlying disorder that causes the symptom of religiosity it will never go away
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    I agree with that, Dan. Thing is, spirituality is not synonymous with religion. Religion is basically a way to "market" one version of god over another. Why? To make money. To gain control. Capitalizing on god! What a brilliant yet diabolical concept.

    Look back to Gnosticism and how Constantine squashed that faith, in favor of the version of Christianity many follow today. Why? Because there are tenets of Gnosticism that run counter to what Constantine wanted, and that was to instill fear amongst the masses through religion in order to control them.

    Religion is not be necessary to worship a deity or deities, but many will have us believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    I agree with that, Dan. Thing is, spirituality is not synonymous with religion. Religion is basically a way to "market" one version of god over another. Why? To make money. To gain control. Capitalizing on god! What a brilliant yet diabolical concept.

    Look back to Gnosticism and how Constantine squashed that faith, in favor of the version of Christianity many follow today. Why? Because there are tenets of Gnosticism that run counter to what Constantine wanted, and that was to instill fear amongst the masses through religion in order to control them.

    Religion is not be necessary to worship a deity or deities, but many will have us believe otherwise.
    You could say there was a lot of Constantine in that religious concept, most of the ideas were coined by himself.
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