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    what are the origins of left right politics?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    what are the origins of left right politics?
    Evolution of Modern Humans:* Early Modern Homo sapiens
    Without wishing to overstate my case, everything in the observable universe definitely has its origins in Northamptonshire -- Alan Moore
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    disraeli is PM for spreading the light and you delete my post. you take darwin very seriously.apes have monarchial systems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    what are the origins of left right politics?
    Beats me. that's a good question. probably has to do with what side of a table someone was sitting at when people started arguing ideas for the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    what are the origins of left right politics?
    Seating at the French Revolution Convention?
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    interesting. so we conclude that conflicts prior to the revolution were religious.
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    I don't know!
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    Ok what does this do....
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    this tries to understand why people are arguing and with such vigor, it may not even be real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mathman View Post
    Seating at the French Revolution Convention?
    Pretty much:
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    The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[5] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[6]
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    interesting. so we conclude that conflicts prior to the revolution were religious.
    No, before that the terms left and right wing were not used. The point of post #3 is that these sort of divisions of opinion evolved with humanity.
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    the conflicts were not religious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    the conflicts were not religious?
    Some were, some weren't. Even those that were religious probably also had an element of protecting a way of life or gaining territory.
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    but not labor v capital yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    but not labor v capital yes?
    Peasants Revolt (for example)

    Edit: this might be a better overview: The Peasants' Revolt 1381
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    can we then say that the french revolution is not special?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    can we then say that the french revolution is not special?
    It was a huge upheaval and incredibly important historically (and from the point of view of political philosophy). Not sure what you mean by "special" though?

    It also wasn't really about labour vs capital. After all, it was led by the aristocracy (from the little I remember).
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    It was historical, but "special"? That is questionable.
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    Special is all about context and perspective. In what context and from perspective are we asking if it was special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Special is all about context and perspective. In what context and from perspective are we asking if it was special.
    So Sir John....what is your take on it? I am asking your opinion.
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    Of course it was special. But any event we know about from more than a century ago is special, else it would not be known by the general population. It was a landmark historical event. My impression its that it was more far reaching and more violent than the other changes occuring around that time. That also makes it special. Is it more important than the Russian Revolution, or the American Revolution, or the last Chinese revolution? Probably not, so in that sense it is not special. Is it important as an early 'modern' revolution? Yes, so in that case it is special.
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    how can something that was not fulfilled be important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASG141 View Post
    how can something that was not fulfilled be important.
    1. If the operation to extract my appendix is not fulfilled, i.e. completed, that would certainly be important to me.

    2. Arguably unfulfilled actions/events are more important than fulfilled ones, since they leave matters unresolved. Example: many see the Versailles Treaty an unfulfilled attempt, to compensate the allies and control Germany, to be a primary cause of the Wordl War II.

    3. I am curious as to how you define fulfilled. Arguably no historical event of movement or philosophy has ever been fulfilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Of course it was special. But any event we know about from more than a century ago is special, else it would not be known by the general population. It was a landmark historical event. My impression its that it was more far reaching and more violent than the other changes occuring around that time. That also makes it special. Is it more important than the Russian Revolution, or the American Revolution, or the last Chinese revolution? Probably not, so in that sense it is not special. Is it important as an early 'modern' revolution? Yes, so in that case it is special.
    Thanks. I would have o concur.
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    i feel like god.
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    God has a capital I.
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    islamabad?
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