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Thread: Israel, Iran, and Forgetfulness

  1. #1 Israel, Iran, and Forgetfulness 
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    A new "flap" may be brewing in which P.M. Netanyahu of Israel will again come to loggerheads, publically, with our Administration. He pointedly disrespects the patronizing treatment afforded the new Iranian president by Pres. Obama. Netanyahu pointedly believes, probably rightly so, that Iran's nuclear efforts are not only aimed at producing electric power, but rather, and most importantly to them, producing fissionable materials of bomb-making capability.

    IMO, our nation ought to know better, given the devious behavior of previous Iranian leadership, after the decades-long friendly support accorded that country by us, and then the despicable taking of American hostages and holding them for an extended period, what possible basis exists now to "trust" spoken words? As Netanyahu points out, Iran must be judged by it's actions rather than it's words.

    The new Iranian President, incidentally, was greeted by his followers with obvious displeasure and anger, after conversing with Pres. Obama.

    Should, CAN, Iran, be blocked from possessing the bomb? jocular


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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    after the decades-long friendly support accorded that country by us
    You mean "the decades-long friendly support afforded the leader of that country after his predecessor was ousted by the Allies and he was installed".

    Should, CAN, Iran, be blocked from possessing the bomb? jocular
    If the position were reversed would the US accede to Iranian wishes that they not obtain the bomb?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    after the decades-long friendly support accorded that country by us
    You mean "the decades-long friendly support afforded the leader of that country after his predecessor was ousted by the Allies and he was installed".

    Should, CAN, Iran, be blocked from possessing the bomb? jocular
    If the position were reversed would the US accede to Iranian wishes that they not obtain the bomb?
    The question pertains to nothing having any BASIS. How can it possibly be answered. Yes, no, maybe. Who can, or should, have the right to predetermine any country's solidarity to the extent that their stock of weaponry by relegated from without their country, without their approval? Or, is that exactly what you are asking? jocular
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    Screw Iran.

    Sorry.

    We have had the science and components for years, and haven't used it since WWII.

    Iran would use it in a nanosecond.

    So Jocular, since you said, this is a yes, no, maybe, ....well there is my view.
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    If you develop thorium reactors and help countries build thorium reactors, they won't be able to make weapons grade fissionable material that easily, will they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    If you develop thorium reactors and help countries build thorium reactors, they won't be able to make weapons grade fissionable material that easily, will they?
    Ha! Thorium (oxide) produces Radon gas when hot, i.e., Thorium Oxide treated silk mantles used by millions in the outback, camping, off the grid, need good light situations, produce significant amounts of Radon gas. We breathed it necessarily while living without income in a cabin away from civilization, electric power, or running water. Best year of our lives yet! jocular

    That was 30 years ago, no lung cancer yet. But, never smoked, either. All negative aspects tend to be cumulative, relieved by the positive ones. (What bullshit!). joc
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    Yes we should remember that our poor choices to support oppressive, corrupt and brutal regimes such as the Sha of Iran paved the way for Iran's take over by religious extremist.
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    Yes we should remember that our poor choices to support oppressive, corrupt and brutal regimes such as the Sha of Iran paved the way for Iran's take over by religious extremist.
    I DO remember, quite well. Shah Pahlavi fled Iran followed by (reportedly) several freight cars of his treasury's stockpile of gold and other valuables. Never was clear whether he fled because he knew he was dying of cancer, or his overthrow seemed imminent. At any rate, he holed-up for awhile, wound up in Mexico City, asking for asylum in the U.S. (seeking cancer treatment, ostensibly). At that point in time, the Ayatollah Khomeini, having assumed leadership in the Shah's absence, proclaimed publicly that "any effort aimed at providing asylum to the Shah would be met with the direst of circumstances.

    The Shah, however, had a good buddy in Washington: Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. HK secretly had Pahlavi flown to NYC, to get better medical treatment, none of this being known to anyone but the "insiders'. Fortunately, one of the Doctors treating this heartless, cruel bastard in NYC, disgusted with the "sworn secrecy" he had accepted, "blew his load". Then the world knew (or felt) America was "crooked", Kissinger was the savior of an individual condemned to a cruel and heartless death in Iran, and the process immediately was swung into operation by Iran, to impose those "direst of circumstances". 52 Americans were seized as hostages. President Jimmy Carter ordered a rescue operation aimed at freeing them; it failed miserably. IMO, at that point in time, Kissinger should have been sent to Iran to replace the hostages.

    The Shah croaked despite treatment. Iraq meanwhile had invaded Iran, Reagan took Presidential office, Carter's hopes for re-election quashed by the quagmire evident during his time in office, several concessions, as I recall it, were made, and the American hostages were freed after 444 days in captivity.

    Supposedly, during his reign in Iran, Pahlavi's secret police organization, "Savak", was known to often enter unannounced into a family's home, and drag away one or more of the children, who were never seen again. This practice supposedly was aimed at instilling absolute obedience among the Shah's people.

    All this shit having leaked out into public view, is it surprising that the Iranian people despise America? This goes beyond religious conviction, and borders on psycho-sadism. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Yes we should remember that our poor choices to support oppressive, corrupt and brutal regimes such as the Sha of Iran paved the way for Iran's take over by religious extremist.
    I DO remember, quite well. Shah Pahlavi fled Iran followed by (reportedly) several freight cars of his treasury's stockpile of gold and other valuables. Never was clear whether he fled because he knew he was dying of cancer, or his overthrow seemed imminent. At any rate, he holed-up for awhile, wound up in Mexico City, asking for asylum in the U.S. (seeking cancer treatment, ostensibly). At that point in time, the Ayatollah Khomeini, having assumed leadership in the Shah's absence, proclaimed publicly that "any effort aimed at providing asylum to the Shah would be met with the direst of circumstances."

    The Shah, however, had a good buddy in Washington: Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. HK secretly had Pahlavi flown to NYC, to get better medical treatment, none of this being known to anyone but the "insiders'. Fortunately, one of the Doctors treating this heartless, cruel bastard in NYC, disgusted with the "sworn secrecy" he had accepted, "blew his load". Then the world knew (or felt) America was "crooked", Kissinger was the savior of an individual condemned to a cruel and heartless death in Iran, and the process immediately was swung into operation by Iran, to impose those "direst of circumstances". 52 Americans were seized as hostages. President Jimmy Carter ordered a rescue operation aimed at freeing them; it failed miserably. IMO, at that point in time, Kissinger should have been sent to Iran to replace the hostages.

    The Shah croaked despite treatment. Iraq meanwhile had invaded Iran, Reagan took Presidential office, Carter's hopes for re-election quashed by the quagmire evident during his time in office, several concessions, as I recall it, were made, and the American hostages were freed after 444 days in captivity.

    Supposedly, during his reign in Iran, Pahlavi's secret police organization, "Savak", was known to often enter unannounced into a family's home, and drag away one or more of the children, who were never seen again. This practice supposedly was aimed at instilling absolute obedience among the Shah's people.

    All this shit having leaked out into public view, is it surprising that the Iranian people despise America? This goes beyond religious conviction, and borders on psycho-sadism. jocular
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    Kissinger should have been sent to Iran to replace the hostages.


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    Wow. Incredible. Warmongers are at it again?
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    think 1953

    The Iranians ain't forgotten

    And, then, remember that we supplied Iraq for their invasion of Iran, wherein Iraq used nerve gas and we said nothing.

    The Iranians ain't forgotten

    If we ever had any credibility with the Iranians, we blew that long ago, repeatedly.

    So now, we demand that Iran do our bidding?!
    Just how fucking arrogant can we actually get?

    .............................
    Maybe:
    If we started off with an apology?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Kissinger should have been sent to Iran to replace the hostages.


    ROFL. (even the 2nd time around
    I, too, might "like" this, if I knew what "ROFL" means......joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    think 1953

    The Iranians ain't forgotten

    And, then, remember that we supplied Iraq for their invasion of Iran, wherein Iraq used nerve gas and we said nothing.

    The Iranians ain't forgotten

    If we ever had any credibility with the Iranians, we blew that long ago, repeatedly.

    So now, we demand that Iran do our bidding?!
    Just how fucking arrogant can we actually get?

    .............................
    Maybe:
    If we started off with an apology?
    You keep saying "we".....but most of us proly agree, "we" ain't that same "we", are we? joc
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    I agree: "we" ain't the same "we".

    But the Iranians don't quite see it that way.

    How much has really changed. How many governments have "we" tried to overthrow or control lately?
    And, where is this most noticeable?
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    Iran isn't that bad of a country! A lot of folks are not properly informed on the matter, so they through irrational arguments and accusations that have no factual support.

    Let Iran have nuclear power!
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    More likely contract it to Russians. Pay Russians to build and operate the plants on Iranian soil. Buy electricity from the Russian power company. Russians or French could mine Iran's abundant uranium and process it too.

    And Americans can't be trusted with oil. See how they're threatening to destroy the world with it. So let Canadians drill Alaska. We'll run the generators and sell the power to Americans at fair price, promise.
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    I, too, might "like" this, if I knew what "ROFL" means......joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    More likely contract it to Russians. Pay Russians to build and operate the plants on Iranian soil. Buy electricity from the Russian power company. Russians or French could mine Iran's abundant uranium and process it too.

    And Americans can't be trusted with oil. See how they're threatening to destroy the world with it. So let Canadians drill Alaska. We'll run the generators and sell the power to Americans at fair price, promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    More likely contract it to Russians. Pay Russians to build and operate the plants on Iranian soil. Buy electricity from the Russian power company. Russians or French could mine Iran's abundant uranium and process it too.

    And Americans can't be trusted with oil. See how they're threatening to destroy the world with it. So let Canadians drill Alaska. We'll run the generators and sell the power to Americans at fair price, promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I, too, might "like" this, if I knew what "ROFL" means......joc
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    Thank you! But, I still disagree on "LOL"---------- Lots Of Luck! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I, too, might "like" this, if I knew what "ROFL" means......joc
    ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING
    Thank you! But, I still disagree on "LOL"---------- Lots Of Luck! joc
    chuckle and you entitled to disagree *S* that was ROFL....
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