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    and FDR.


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    Ok well this thread would perhaps be better suited to history, but here goes:

    When Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) assumed the American Presidency the country was gripped by a massive economic slump known as 'The Great Depression'. America had seen share prices shredded, numerous bankruptcies, a cash flow crisis and millions being made unemployed, it was due to these conditions that Roosevelt announced his plan for 'The New Deal', and probarbly one of the main reasons he was actually elected to serve as President. During the campaign he had promised the American people that his great plan for economic reform would implemented immediately after his inauguration in March 1933, in his acceptance speech for the Democratic Presidential Nomination he spoke these words "I pledge you, I pledge myself, to a new deal for the American people."

    After he became President then the hard task of making his New Deal work really began. He started with a large program of reforms of banking reform laws, emergency relief programs, work relief programs, and agricultural programs. After this came another New Deal that included union protection programs, the Social Security Act, and programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. Many of the New Deal acts or agencies came to be known by their acronyms. The Works Progress Administration was known as the WPA, while the Civilian Conservation Corps was known as the CCC. These New Deal programs ran until 1939 by which time most of their work had been completed and the country was back on the road to ecomonic recovery.


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    Mostly positive information stated. Were any of FDR's policies/decisions deleterious to the American Public or the American Economy? jocular
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    Social Security is a scam and has always been one. So has fiat currencies. What I have agreed with though, is public projects.

    IMO, the largest portion, by far, of the US Budget each and every year should go to maintaining and building small projects to great and glorious projects to be used and enjoyed by the public. This would take the filthy rich out of the cookie jar and it would empower and enrich the poor and middle class, as well as America.

    If Obama was as smart as he thinks he is, he would create and then release a laundry list of lofty public goals and projects in order to raise taxes, increase revenue and get Americans back to work.

    Who goes to the moon? Who builds railroads, roads and highways to nowhere? Who puts power lines all over a country that uses candles? Who fights an evil empire? Who builds great and grand monuments? Who reshapes planet earth in order to connect the pacific to the gulf simply to cut down on shipping and travel? Who builds massive dams? Who builds great and mighty bridges?

    Where have all these people gone and where are the new ideas? Where are the lofty projects and goals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    Social Security is a scam and has always been one. So has fiat currencies. What I have agreed with though, is public projects.

    IMO, the largest portion, by far, of the US Budget each and every year should go to maintaining and building small projects to great and glorious projects to be used and enjoyed by the public. This would take the filthy rich out of the cookie jar and it would empower and enrich the poor and middle class, as well as America.

    If Obama was as smart as he thinks he is, he would create and then release a laundry list of lofty public goals and projects in order to raise taxes, increase revenue and get Americans back to work.

    Who goes to the moon? Who builds railroads, roads and highways to nowhere? Who puts power lines all over a country that uses candles? Who fights an evil empire? Who builds great and grand monuments? Who reshapes planet earth in order to connect the pacific to the gulf simply to cut down on shipping and travel? Who builds massive dams? Who builds great and mighty bridges?

    Where have all these people gone and where are the new ideas? Where are the lofty projects and goals?
    I like the idea, and as you say it would get "Americans back to work", I don't at all think America has lost it's will or resolve to acheive great things nor it's ability, just perhaps not having a reason at the moment for any big projects so no real motivation. Most of the big projects of the past were born out of necessity or need that somehow now seems a little lacking. Perhaps something will come along and this will change. How about perhaps a social revolution and a will to provide a guaranteed job for every American wanting and willing to work and a large construction under taking to ensure that the next generation all have a home of their own to live in whatever there financial circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    . So has fiat currencies.
    It has been debated to death, that "floating" currency having no "backing" allows governmental excess without remediation. However, I asked the question about FDR hoping to gain insight into his actions which decry his being "The Gift".

    FDR devalued the dollar, by increasing the official price of gold from $20 per oz. to $35 per oz., if memory serves me numerically. This means tha, since the country was then still on the "gold standard", every dollar possessed by every American became worth less (no pun intended) by 75%, the same as picking everyone's pocket to the tune of "stealing" seventy-five cents worth of each dollar's value. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gonzales56 View Post
    Social Security is a scam and has always been one. So has fiat currencies. What I have agreed with though, is public projects.

    IMO, the largest portion, by far, of the US Budget each and every year should go to maintaining and building small projects to great and glorious projects to be used and enjoyed by the public. This would take the filthy rich out of the cookie jar and it would empower and enrich the poor and middle class, as well as America.

    If Obama was as smart as he thinks he is, he would create and then release a laundry list of lofty public goals and projects in order to raise taxes, increase revenue and get Americans back to work.

    Who goes to the moon? Who builds railroads, roads and highways to nowhere? Who puts power lines all over a country that uses candles? Who fights an evil empire? Who builds great and grand monuments? Who reshapes planet earth in order to connect the pacific to the gulf simply to cut down on shipping and travel? Who builds massive dams? Who builds great and mighty bridges?

    Where have all these people gone and where are the new ideas? Where are the lofty projects and goals?
    I like the idea, and as you say it would get "Americans back to work", I don't at all think America has lost it's will or resolve to acheive great things nor it's ability, just perhaps not having a reason at the moment for any big projects so no real motivation. Most of the big projects of the past were born out of necessity or need that somehow now seems a little lacking. Perhaps something will come along and this will change. How about perhaps a social revolution and a will to provide a guaranteed job for every American wanting and willing to work and a large construction under taking to ensure that the next generation all have a home of their own to live in whatever there financial circumstances.

    I think using the Great Lakes to water and power America's Farm Lands is a worthy project that not only would serve the people now, it would also greatly serve the american people and the world for centuries to come.

    Finishing/completing Mount Rushmore National Memorial is something America could do and should do.

    How about massive megalithic structures/complexes in each of the original 13 colonies/states dedicated to the revolution and their states specific contributions and founders that will last for thousands and thousands of years? These states will directly and immediately benefit from the construction and then they will benefit educationally and commercially indefinitely.

    How about massive projects to seed mars and to pay real tribute to our space program?

    Huge railroad museums in California and Colorado?

    Medical research on a grand scale?

    Surely there are many good things that can be done.

    How about doing massive things that Americans are actually passionate about and/or that will benefit our current wants and needs as well as, and at the same time, the wants and needs of generations to come?

    Most of the wealth and power of the United States today is being spent and used to fuel and feed the selfishness, greed and consumption of today's current generation/s, and it is done without any respect or regard for the sacrifices of past generations or the suffering, hardship and tribulations future generations will have to pay for the selfishness, greed and consumption of today's current generation/s. if it continues, the abuse and hardships will only get worse from one generation to the next until there is nothing left but suffering, hardship and tribulations for just about all.

    IMO, if we are going to spend future generations wealth/money perhaps we should learn from the generations before us who did not spend our money or steal or wealth but, instead used their own wealth, money, hard work and blood to invest in Us. Granted we have spent up their gifts, spit on their hard work, taken everything they gave Us, took what we made ourselves, found it all to be lacking still in our greed and so we decided it was moral and correct to take and steal the wealth and money from future generations but, that does not mean that its good to keep taking their wealth and money and not invest in them.

    IMO If we are going to take their wealth and money we should at least pass on great and valuable things in order to help them.

    It is easy for me.. Does the spending uphold fundamental rights and needs or does it benefit more than one generation? If it does neither, it makes no sense to me and it is wrong.
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    The Mount Rushmore National Memorial should be abandoned and destroyed, and the land returned to the Nations of America. It is a living symbol of tyranny against the natives of America. It is clearly a violation of Treaty of Fort Laramie of 1868 which granted to lands to the Cheyenne, Arapaho, and Lakota Nations of Native Americans. The land was seized during the Great Siouz War of 1876 (The Black Hills War). The war was caused by miners and settlers encroaching on the Native Americans lands looking for minerals (gold and silver).

    The US government effectively stole the lands and erected the Mount Rushmore Memorial.

    On July 23, 1980, in United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Black Hills were illegally taken and that remuneration of the initial offering price plus interest — nearly $106 million — be paid. The Lakota refused the settlement as they wanted the Black Hills returned to them. The money remains in an interest-bearing account, which now amounts to over $757 million, but the Lakota still refuse to take the money. They believe that accepting the settlement would allow the U.S. Government to justify taking ownership of the Black Hills.
    Perhaps many are unaware of this history of the Black Hills.

    The Black Hills

    Great Sioux War of 1876

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMojo1 View Post
    On July 23, 1980, in United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Black Hills were illegally taken and that remuneration of the initial offering price plus interest — nearly $106 million — be paid. The Lakota refused the settlement as they wanted the Black Hills returned to them. The money remains in an interest-bearing account, which now amounts to over $757 million, but the Lakota still refuse to take the money. They believe that accepting the settlement would allow the U.S. Government to justify taking ownership of the Black Hills.
    Perhaps many are unaware of this history of the Black Hills.

    The Black Hills

    Great Sioux War of 1876

    Mount Rushmore
    Fascinating, I've never herd of this before. I thought all land disputes would have been settled in the nineteenth century, it seems suprising to think this is still on going. I take it then it's not likely that government will give them back any of this land any time soon?
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