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    With the China - Japan island dispute continuing to escalate things are threatening to get out of hand fast, does NATO have a role to play as peacemaker between the two asian powers?


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    Absolutely not. North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, the name gives you an important clue. And, before you ask, I do not approve of the NATO presence in Afghanistan.


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    The only reason I asked the question is realistically they are the only organisation in the world powerful enough to be taken seriously, as China is a permanent member of the UN security council obviously this would make it hard for the UN to do anything as China could veto anything it didn't like. We can't really see Russia getting involved so who does that leave to knock some sense into them and stop this turning into another war? That said you are perfectly correct perhaps we should keep NATO's interests restricted to it's namesake. We can't police the whole world all the time. That being said I think the west should keep a close eye on China's flexing of it's growing military muscle's.
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    What you have to realise Chris is that your grandchildren, perhaps your children will live in a world where China is viewed like the US is now, the US will be viewed as Europe is now. And Europe will live in quiet, but powerless luxury, drinking fine wines and wondering in which millenium the British will realise they are European.

    As to the dispute, this isn't about some islands. This is about the Rape of Nanking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    As to the dispute, this isn't about some islands. This is about the Rape of Nanking.
    I can't say I really understand what this dispute is about, if your right, which you probarbly are, it seems a long time to hold a grudge. Most of the people who committed that atrocity are long dead.

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    What you have to realise Chris is that your grandchildren, perhaps your children will live in a world where China is viewed like the US is now, the US will be viewed as Europe is now. And Europe will live in quiet, but powerless luxury, drinking fine wines and wondering in which millenium the British will realise they are European.
    Given the way things are going I would say that assessment is absolutely 100% spot on, lets hope China proves to be a benevolent super power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    The only reason I asked the question is realistically they are the only organisation in the world powerful enough to be taken seriously, ...
    Mostly because of the US military.

    The US could easily act alone to support its Japanese ally if it chooses to--diplomatically or by force if it came to that unfortunate point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    As to the dispute, this isn't about some islands. This is about the Rape of Nanking.
    I can't say I really understand what this dispute is about, if your right, which you probarbly are, it seems a long time to hold a grudge. Most of the people who committed that atrocity are long dead.
    I was being overly simplistic and speculative, for which I apologise. It is, I suspect, much more complex than that. I have not studied the Japanese-Chinese relationship through history, but one might reasonably expect there have been some tense times. (Think Britain versus the Continent - first the Spanish, then the Dutch, then the French, then the Germans.) The Chinese government have stoked resentment (highly justfiable) about the Japanese atrocities in the 1930s and early 40s to use as a political weapon. You probably also have to see any dispute over islands as being a surrogate for dispute over Taiwan. It's all very complex, very nasty and the only time I spoke Chinese fluently it took two bottles of Jack Daniels to get me there - it's just not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    The only reason I asked the question is realistically they are the only organisation in the world powerful enough to be taken seriously, ...
    Mostly because of the US military.

    The US could easily act alone to support its Japanese ally if it chooses to--diplomatically or by force if it came to that unfortunate point.
    Well that's certainly true, I, like you, though would certainly hope it doesn't come to force. I could imagine a senario where dimplomatic efforts may be required at some stage though if things do get of hand.
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    it seems a long time to hold a grudge. Most of the people who committed that atrocity are long dead.
    I remember slack-jawed disbelief during part of the Balkans blowups. One crowd was wailing and moaning that you couldn't trust one of the other lot because of some nastiness in the 14th century.
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    Does Russia want Alaska back? Maybe Nippon could be persuaded to hand over the Islands in exchange for some chicken Chow Mein? westwind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    Does Russia want Alaska back? .
    Only if Sarah Palin is excluded from the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    it seems a long time to hold a grudge. Most of the people who committed that atrocity are long dead.
    I remember slack-jawed disbelief during part of the Balkans blowups. One crowd was wailing and moaning that you couldn't trust one of the other lot because of some nastiness in the 14th century.
    14th century!!! Now that's holding a grudge!
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    In 1314 the Scots whipped the English at Bannockburn, In two years time we won't be holding a grudge we'll be holding a party.
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