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    Do you think we will ever be able to use the internet to include more people in political decision making? Why or why not?


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    I think that's certainly an interesting idea, I think in general though politics will have to take more note of new technology.
    But to give you a example of how that's already starting to happen hear in the UK, the government here has a policy that means people can submit them online petitions and if these petitions have the support of over 100,000 people then the government has promised to look seriously and debate the issue.

    Whilst even without the internet a petitions would still be possible it would be much harder, expensive and time consuming to get that amount of support. So really the internet has given ordinary members of the public the opportunity and means to campaign for things that maybe important to them.


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    Internet voting will certainly come about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Internet voting will certainly come about.
    I do hope not. In the UK you can have a postal vote if you wish, and this is open to fraud. I fear that internet voting will only make things worse.

    General Election 2010: Postal vote fraud amid fears bogus voters could swing election | Mail Online

    BBC News - Tower Hamlets postal vote fraud claims referred to police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisk View Post
    Do you think we will ever be able to use the internet to include more people in political decision making? Why or why not?

    I'm generally against anything that makes it easier to get people involved in decision making. Unless you are physically incapable of getting down to the polling station, you should get off your backside and walk down to vote. Same for decision making. If you care that deeply about issue X, then do something about it. Protest, march, write a letter, hound your local MP. Writing an angry blog piece isn't good enough. Spending all of 5 seconds to add your name to an online petition shouldn't count for anything.

    We have far too many lazy people involved as it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by SE15 View Post
    Unless you are physically incapable of getting down to the polling station, you should get off your backside and walk down to vote.
    I couldn't have put that better myself.
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    This would be great. You could vote in another country's elections without even crossing the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    This would be great. You could vote in another country's elections without even crossing the border.
    That would be about right, you could just see that happening, huge election fraud in other countries. It's bad enough that we have to have election monitors now, that would be making things to easy alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
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    Internet voting will certainly come about.
    I do hope not. In the UK you can have a postal vote if you wish, and this is open to fraud.
    I've been voting by mail for nearly 25 years...first as a military member almost never living at home and now in Washington state where mail voting is preferred. The problems are few fewer than most people imagine. And honestly people do much more important and potentially personally damaging things everyday from their cell phones now days such as paying for their house, setting up bank accounts and many other things etc.
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    The US republicans are trying to pass laws, that will shut down this current internet. The republicans want to create an internet, were huge sums of money will be required to have a website, so then only large corporations, will be able to afford websites.

    The Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) laws, were the republicans first political moves to bring forth, their corporate ruled internet. But there was so much public outcry against these laws, the republican politicians were forced to run away, from these "new internet" laws.

    But I believe the US republicans will try again, to bring about their corporate ruled internet. And their US followers, will stand behind this corporate backed fight, once again.

    If the republicans are ever able to pass their internet laws. Most current (low budget) websites, will not be able to afford, an online presence. So many of the dreams above will not be allowed to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    The US republicans are trying to pass laws, that will shut down this current internet. The republicans want to create an internet, were huge sums of money will be required to have a website, so then only large corporations, will able to afford websites.

    The Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) laws, were the republicans first political moves to bring forth, their corporate ruled internet. But there was so much public outcry against these laws, the republican politicians were forced to run away, from these "new internet" laws..
    Perhaps you should connect the dots between SOPA, which by the way was also co-authored by democrats John Conyers (D-MI) & Howard Berman (D-CA), and potential Internet voting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    The US republicans are trying to pass laws, that will shut down this current internet. The republicans want to create an internet, were huge sums of money will be required to have a website, so then only large corporations, will able to afford websites.

    The Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) laws, were the republicans first political moves to bring forth, their corporate ruled internet. But there was so much public outcry against these laws, the republican politicians were forced to run away, from these "new internet" laws..
    Perhaps you should connect the dots between SOPA, which by the way was also co-authored by democrats John Conyers (D-MI) & Howard Berman (D-CA), and potential Internet voting.



    Thanks for bringing me back to reality, you are more than correct.


    Because of the fact republicans lie 500x more than the democrats. And republicans fight 500x harder, for tax cuts for their campaign funders. And do all the negative things like create our defits and debt, one just (assumes) that republicans will be responsible for any (dishonest) act in Washington.

    I (assumed) that republicans were responsible for those laws, but after researching, I believe the democrats may actually be (more) responsible than republicans for these laws. Even Bill Clinton "Mr. surplus" himself, was handing out favors for the corporations that gave him money.

    I have long known, that the American groups, that are able to understand corporate Americas takeover of our government. These groups have given up on both of Americas political partys long ago.


    It will soon cost almost $1 billion dollars, to be able to run for president.

    But the fact is, that honest, caring, and trustworthy persons like yourself, cant raise that kind of money.
    And I wish so much, that people like yourself, would be able to comprehend the words "corporate takeover", and want to stop it.

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    (sigh) .....Connecting to voting by Internet?
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    Onsite voting has tons of problems as well whether manually or by machine. I think a lot of the kneejerk support for it simply comes from familiarity with the flawed system and over exagerated fears of trying something new.
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    I love this idea because it will work, what they need to look out for though is the fact that over the years I have accumulated 4 email accounts. They just need to make sure people aren't trying to cheat in some way such as using them all to vote. Fantastic Idea though....
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    I think that's certainly an interesting idea, I think in general though politics will have to take more note of new technology.
    But to give you a example of how that's already starting to happen hear in the UK, the government here has a policy that means people can submit them online petitions and if these petitions have the support of over 100,000 people then the government has promised to look seriously and debate the issue.

    Whilst even without the internet a petitions would still be possible it would be much harder, expensive and time consuming to get that amount of support. So really the internet has given ordinary members of the public the opportunity and means to campaign for things that maybe important to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog213 View Post
    I love this idea because it will work, what they need to look out for though is the fact that over the years I have accumulated 4 email accounts. They just need to make sure people aren't trying to cheat in some way such as using them all to vote. Fantastic Idea though....
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    I think that's certainly an interesting idea, I think in general though politics will have to take more note of new technology.
    But to give you a example of how that's already starting to happen hear in the UK, the government here has a policy that means people can submit them online petitions and if these petitions have the support of over 100,000 people then the government has promised to look seriously and debate the issue.

    Whilst even without the internet a petitions would still be possible it would be much harder, expensive and time consuming to get that amount of support. So really the internet has given ordinary members of the public the opportunity and means to campaign for things that maybe important to them.
    I guess your right, if someone really wanted to go to the trouble of trying to pretend to be lots of different people they could probarbly get away with it, that said I don't think anyone would get any where remotely close to the 100,000 required. Also who would have the time? No I would think it would be far easier to just try and 'spin' an idea in such a way as to engender genuine support and actually get people to sign up over the internet.

    Even then though there's still absolutely no guarantees, as the government have only promise to look at, then may debate issues raised in such petitions. What it does do though is it shows the government which issues people are interested in and all governments want to be popular so if going along with a petition is going to make them more popular, providing it doesn't cost them too much, then I can see them going along with quite a few of them.
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